Salem83 Blog Post: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:14 PM CST

Salem83 Charolotte, North Carolina USA
Posted:Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:14 PM CST

"What Happened to All the Nice Guys?"


What happened to all the nice guys?

The answer is simple: you did.

See, if you think back, really hard, you might vaguely remember a Platonic guy pal who always seemed to want to spend time with you. He'd tag along with you when you went shopping, stop by your place for a movie when you were lonely but didn't feel like going out, or even sit there and hold you while you sobbed and told him about how horribly the (other) guy that you were fucking treated you.

At the time, you probably joked with your girlfriends about how he was a little puppy dog, always following you around, trying to do things to get you to pay attention to him. They probably teased you because they thought he had a crush on you. Given that his behavior was, admittedly, a little pathetic, you vehemently denied having any romantic feelings for him, and buttressed your position by claiming that you were "just friends." Besides, he totally wasn't your type. I mean, he was a little too short, or too bald, or too fat, or too poor, or didn't know how to dress himself, or basically be or do any of the things that your tall, good-looking, fit, rich, stylish boyfriend at the time pulled off with such ease.

Eventually, your Platonic buddy drifted away, as your relationship with the boyfriend got more serious and spending time with this other guy was, admittedly, a little weird, if you weren’t dating him. More time passed, and the boyfriend eventually cheated on you, or became boring, or you realized that the things that attracted you to him weren't the kinds of things that make for a good, long-term relationship. So, now, you're single again, and after having tried the bar scene for several months having only encountered players and douche bags, you wonder, "What happened to all the nice guys?"

Well, once again, you did.

You ignored the nice guy. You used him for emotional intimacy without reciprocating, in kind, with physical intimacy. You laughed at his consideration and resented his devotion. You valued the aloof boyfriend more than the attentive "just-a-" friend. Eventually, he took the hint and moved on with his life. He probably came to realize - one day - that women aren't really attracted to guys who hold doors open; or make dinners just because; or buy you a Christmas gift that you mentioned, in passing, that you really wanted five months ago; or listen when you're upset; or hold you when you cry. He came to realize that, if he wanted a woman like you, he'd have to act more like the boyfriend that you had. He probably cleaned up his look, started making some money, and generally acted like more of an asshole than he ever wanted to be.

Fact is, now, he's probably getting laid, and in a way, your ultimate rejection of him is to thank for that. And I'm sorry that it took the complete absence of "nice guys" in your life for you to realize that you missed them and wanted them. Most women will only have a handful of nice guys’ stumble into their lives, if that.

So, if you're looking for a nice guy, here's what you do:

1.) Build a time machine.
2.) Go back a few years and pull your head out of your ass.
3.) Take a look at what's right in front of you and grab ahold of it.

I suppose the other possibility is that you STILL don't really want a nice guy, but you feel the social pressure to at least appear to have matured beyond your infantile taste in men. In which case, you might be in luck, because the nice guy you claim to want has, in reality, shed his nice guy mantle and is out there looking to unleash his cynicism and resentment onto someone just like you.

If you were five years younger.

So, please: either stop misrepresenting what you want, or own up to the fact that you've fucked yourself over. You're getting older, after all. It's time to excise the bullshit and deal with reality. You didn't want a nice guy then, and he certainly doesn't fucking want you, now.

Sincerely,

A Recovering Nice Guy

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Comments


sirenna Perthshire, Tayside, Scotland UK
Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:34 PM CST
Wow! Knock-out!

Very well written.
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Raindog East Hampton, Connecticut USA
Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:53 PM CST
cheers comfort
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kevduf Columbia, Missouri USA
Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:03 PM CST
*Ding Ding Ding*


We have a winner.

thumbs up
Profile Deleted
Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:15 PM CST
Bravo, I couldn't have put it better myself. You have said what millions of nice guys or ex nice guys have been thinking for quite sometime. Excellent work. yay banana cheers


Outlaw
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trusunset83 Independence, Kansas USA
Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:22 PM CST
handshake

Here here... everything I wanted to say... but couldn't find the words...

Me and you... we are the same... Its depressing... but at least I know theres more than just me (the nice guy) left out there...
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rhime vegreville, Alberta Canada
Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:26 AM CST
exact reason i gave up on being a nice guy. nice guys don't end up with girl and never will.
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Salem83 Charolotte, North Carolina USA
Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:46 PM CST
i wonder why (with the exception of one lady)
only men seem to be replying to this blog.

very interesting
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GypseyGuy Miami, Florida USA
Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:45 PM CST
Well said! You explained perfectly what I couldnt even put in words....hope it changes a few minds though?
Profile Deleted
Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:05 PM CST
Hey Salem with 108 page views and only 7 guys and one woman responding, we all know that answer.
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Salem83 Charolotte, North Carolina USA
Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:38 AM CST
im just tired of hearing women complain about men
like I said before
you made your bed
now sleep in it

call me an asshole
at least im honest

you break my heart once .....shame on you
you break my heart twice.....shame on me
you break my heart 3 times.....f^ck you....lets play it your way!
ImTan streets in Bangkok, Amphoe Bang Kapi Thailand
Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:22 AM CST
thumbs up handshake thumbs up


a very good one.


Mr. Nice GUy is still there waiting for me, I know that coz only a nice guy can get me!!!

A nice girl deserves one too.




yay banana
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girlnextdormouse Marietta, Ohio USA
Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:22 AM CST
Ok, I’ll be the first to bite.

I believe that there is a happy medium between Mr. Nicety-Nice-Dweeb, and Mr. Bad-Boy-Rebel. I personally, (and I think a lot of other women), are looking for that happy medium.

You described a nice guy as:
- he tags along with a woman when she goes shopping (hasn’t he got something a bit more manly to do?)
- he comes across as a little puppy dog following a woman around doing things to try to get attention (This reeks of someone with low-self esteem who is desperate. Women are attracted to men who not only have self-confidence, but also present themselves in a confident manner.)
- he acts a bit pathetic (see above. Women want men who are secure in themselves.)
- spending so much time with a non-boyfriend was a little weird (True. I want to spend my time with the person I hope to have a future with. I don’t want to invest an enormous amount of my time with someone who is taking the relationship no where.)

Now granted, you did mention a lot of positive attributes in your description of a nice guy, but there are also some positive attributes in Mr. Rebel too. I want that guy in the middle. I want that Mr. Nice Guy that knows how to act like a gentleman and use his manners, but I want that Mr. Rebel who knows how to act like a man and has a sense of adventure and leadership. I don’t think that women should have to settle for either the bar-scene loser jerk OR the insecure boyish wimp. In my opinion, one is as bad as the other. The first reeks of abuse, the second reeks of neglect. The first reeks of too much drama. The second reeks of too much boredom.

I think a lot of the reason women are starting to turn a blind eye to Mr. Nice Guy, is because guys who *think* they fit the profile of Mr. Nice Guy, have let the pendulum swing too far in the opposite direction. They come across as sniveling wimps. They may possibly be dishonest because they wouldn’t dare tell the truth if it might hurt her feelings. They come across as insecure in their own personality and like jell-o, will mold into whatever she wants him to be. They come across as unable to stimulate a woman intellectually because they constantly agree. They come across as indecisive because when she asks for suggestions for entertainment, they reply “I dunno, what’d you wanna do?” They come across as unable to stand up for a woman if she were being harassed, or unable to protect a woman if she were in danger. Having a relationship with this type of guy is sort of like not having a relationship at all. It’s more like hanging out with one of the girls.

I think the key, like everything else in life, is learning proper balance. There are guys out there who have learned the proper balance between boyish proclivities and egotistic rebellion. They are mature, responsible, confident men. They don’t walk all over their women, nor do they let their women walk all over them. They are brave and courageous, but not foolhardy and reckless. They are assertive. Not aggressive, but not passive. They are not wild animals that need to be caged, but nor are they lost puppies hopelessly whimpering for a woman to hold their leash.
A truly balanced man is a very attractive specimen indeed!
Maybe we should rewrite the description of Mr. Nice Guy so he’s a more balanced man.
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Wan2Chat Seven Hills, New South Wales Australia
Tue Jan 6, 2009 3:39 AM CST
Seems to me "Girlnextdoormouse" you are still describing the nice guy. Only now do you see that what you actually want when you say you want the guy with the balance, is what the nice actually is or was.. you just never saw him this way because of how you went about your business. The guy you now seek is probably the nice guy that some other ahem lady has decided was a nice guy and was not interested in.

So to all you ladies out there the next nice guy that comes along could probably be the guy you thought you weren't looking for until you realised who you are looking for.

Suppose that means the nice guys really do win in the end if they remain nice guys, cause they get to wean out the nastiest of the female sex and get the pick of those that remain.
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KajunQueen DeRidder, Louisiana USA
Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:39 AM CST
Hi Recovering nice guy,I am a woman,but I am a recovering nice woman...I wasnt ALL THAT and NO ONE would consider going out with me,I was unpopular,and I couldnt wear all the fancy name brand clothes that everyone else could afford...I was always nice to everyone I met...
Well,times do change,people grow up and move on.
Just about every profile I read,the guy wants the same things...and I am most of those things,not perfect,but who is? I apologize to all those guys that are REALLY NICE...I myself know women that turn down the nicest guys for someone who eventually treats them like crap, or cheats on them ...when allll along,they could have had a REAL NICE GUY...I enjoyed reading your blog...good luck to you,if you dont find anyone,its thier lossgrin
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KajunQueen DeRidder, Louisiana USA
Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:55 AM CST
BTW...
To the other female writer:
That comment was confusing as hell to me.I dont see how any guy could understand it.
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