Too soon to talk about the future? Forget the fight, find peace and common ground?

Brits have a deserved reputation for being whinging poms, and I’m beginning to think we’ll never recover from the division of Brexit. Oh, give us a real crisis, and we’re great, none better, but boy, can we whinge the rest of the time.

Americans, on the whole, are much more positive about life, and getting on with whatever it throws at them.

I was watching an interview with Donald Trump tonight and I was taken aback a couple of times by things he said.

This has been the dirtiest knock-down drag-out fight political battle ever fought so I think I was expecting more of the same. Not at all. DT sounded calm and purposeful and even said the Clintons were 'good people'.

What?? No one involved in Brexit has said anything close to rational about opponents YET, and it was ages ago!

Made me wonder. All the anger will be passing soon, the democratic bid will be forgotten, what do Americans want, hope, for their future? Whether they voted or not.

Whatever you thought, the same democratic system which has produced every previous president produced this result and that does mean people want change.

What changes do you want? And - what was good, and should be kept in place?

Not just America will be great - how, what will change?
Not just America should have stayed on the democratic path - why, what do you really want to see kept?

This could be the quietest blog ever written rolling on the floor laughing but my blog, my rules.

(1) The election has been fought and it is OVER, no rehashing! (okay, edited comment, that changed a bit. Comment will be retained if it makes a valid point leading to discussion

(2) NO SIDESWIPES, INSULTS, JEERS OR GLOATS. scold if there is any hatred or contempt in any comment, warning you right now, it will be deleted,

Teach us by example. The UK needs to learn how to work together over Brexit. blues
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Ken, you rehashed! scold

But since I wasn't actually expecting a comment at all, and your wish is an excellent one, handshake YES
Oh come on, now he is elected, there will be nothing but carefully scripted dialogue.
Right I will try to be a good girl....


Was listening to Irish radio this morning, nothing new has been added to my assumptions.
As a European citizen I do not fear too much, but it is more than concerning how the political dealing with the new elected leader of the United States is going to work out for the rest of the world not only Europe.
I have seen the interview it looked more like he had been ordered to behave due to the resistance movements
Seri, yup we are all affected to some degree.

Anyway he was being conciliatory while we on CS are at war, hopefully not for much longer though uh oh

To hell with it. Going to block comments (SPOILSPORT) and make a dash for it past the mouse. If it gets me, hey, been fun knowing you all

hug
Where's the Cat when you need him?laugh
Hi classy Elegs,

This all reminds me of something I heard the lady at the ceramics store say, "You Brexit, you buy it!" laugh

Okay, not funny? blues

Oh well, I try. beer
Delete me, see if I care laugh


I had a mouse in the back garden

Somehow he died of natural causes


Now I'm kinda wondering what is so noxious in my garden that killed him uh oh
Survived the mouse but blame it for super-cracker migraine scold

Re-opened comments while still not expecting any because what the hell has it got to do with me after all?

I am supposed to be sick in bed. Being sick in chair instead because basically I'm bored with being in bed. Migraines are the pits.
Sorry to hear you have a headache, Biff blues

Do you have any Feverfew in your garden? If so, just roll a leaf and eat it in some bread (it is very bitter without the bred), you should feel better after that.hug
I talk a lot (well, more on my RL blog) about Indian summer, and it occurred to me while I was watching the world sparkle and flash that our civilization is in its Indian summer, we've in so many ways never had it so good. Most of the world is fed, sheltered, has water, and access to smartphones roll eyes

Yet we focus on disaster, on hardship, and on the unfairness of it all when things don't go our way.

That's probably really why I wrote this blog. Nothing to do with politics at all. Just a challenge to see if anyone recognises the good we've got, or do we take that for granted and want it all?
Hello lovely Molly, are you sure it wasn't feverfew that killed your mouse? uh oh
Right now, today, and today is all that actually matters, I have a small house which is warm and sheltering, a small car that gets from A to B and back again, a cat that doesn't chase mice which are terrorising me, a dog contentedly destroying a hide chew toy, and a job where I can take a day off when the world erupts into flashing lights and blinding pain.

That's pretty good.

There's coffee in the kitchen and food in the pantry when and if I can ever face eating again.

Today is actually amazing. hug

Tomorrow an asteroid could wipe out half the earth, so what's the point of worrying what else tomorrow could bring? It may never happen. Deal with it when it does.

head banger

(ouch. Note to self. Not up to nodding yet)
Wow, you sound like me, I could have written that! applause
(Including the mouse bit) rolling on the floor laughing
Copy and paste it into a post of your own, then delete mine, and claim it as your own laugh



(you are used to deleting my comments now anyway grin )
Everything is good in my life

I have a warm house, lovely dogs, good food, and good wine if I want it

I have amazing friends and family

I get to go on holidays at least once a year to warmer climes

I have a car to travel wherever I want to go to.

I live in one of the most beautiful safest countries in the world

I have a job which I enjoy, and don't mind getting up to go to every morning.


And, I am going to a dressy-uppy party on Saturday night so I now have red nails shimmy
Cor, good list applause

handshake
Your turn now dancing
Biff like anyone if you say something that throws a storm then you moderate your tone and think about how others perceive your truths. Trump was going to abolish Obamas health care, but after talking to Obama must have liked the concept so In my opinion did not renegade just took good advice on that one.

We will see how it all turns out, I think people all over the world want a change from the old systems, sometimes very corrupt systems in their own countries.

I do not think we winge, I think this country lies on its back until something truly disturbs decency and then they will MARCH laugh

Trouble with the referendom their were no plans for the for and the against, so folk have been wrongfooted.

we will see about this too but they must go forward not back ir the Brits will march not wingedancing dancing
Yes Biff but Cameron did try to change some things and the EU was not for changing, hence the referendum.

Merkel now is making some noise on concessions with the free movement of people. doh she would not budge before. She sees Trump what he says about trade with us so well we will see how it plays out.

We are told we will be short of hospitality staff, nurses docs ect, load of bull I say as we will allow people in we need not just have a free for all, for some employers to exploit with low wages etc.
Yes, I do think - hope - we will be in a better position to negotiate from outside.

Couple of things people completely ignore when talking about freedom of movement: a significant percentage of immigrants here are not from EU countries to start with - Australians, South Africans, and non EU countries to name but 3.

And as someone who lost her passport in Germany, I can tell you we are not one big happy family with open borders, getting back was a mission! very mad
Hi Biff
Take two disprins and sleep it off like a headache.idea
hug wave
Yep Biff I lived in Germany and was not allowed to work until I spoke fluent German, My passport ran out and I had a devil of a job renewing at British Embassy. AND I was born in the country but never claimed dual nationality doh Same as when I move around for holidays my passport says born in Germany but am brit. roll eyes confusing world we live in.peace peace keeps us sane I reckonrolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
Cat, when I can keep any food down the worst will be over anyway moping
Red, I'm not sure whether the fact that I was born in SA made it harder or easier for me to get back to the UK without my passport laugh
Join this elite club, Z :-)
Not deleted but Z I did rather hope when you appeared you'd forcefully point out a positive or two for either Brexit or the US

Yes yes YES people should say what they want going forward. Most of the social media is absolutely and completely preoccupied with the battle and not the aftermath. There is going to be forward progress at some point, ja?

This blog has been remarkably short on positive plans - this will happen, and it will result in this, and that will be GOOD - those sort of comments.

Instead it has in part degenerated into a blog about mice, with just one comment from Ken in what he believes will be an important change, and me agreeing with Red that we want a linked future, but with better negotiated terms.

And now you saying people have the right to their opinions, um, yes. Sort of the point. Now the opinions? I'll only delete if they are negative, hostile, or gloating, I did say so rolling on the floor laughing
Map, that is an utterly ideal comment about living in the moment. handshake

laugh

10c extra is iniquitous, I'd get het up about it on your behalf except, well, doesn't affect me and was only a passing annoyance for you so

Suddenly beginning to understand why people choose to get antsy. rolling on the floor laughing

It is a DISGRACE Map had to pay more! People should care about these things! boxing
Biff, I am booking a flight as soon as possible to go over and beat that tobacconist senseless

I care
Molly the tobacconist might have recovered and be back at his post by the time you arrive, and then you'll put him in hospital and Map will have to drive further again. And pay more. Hell, the tobacconist may even decide to give up the shop and avoid conflict.

Full marks for caring, but ...

confused

rolling on the floor laughing
Biff, see this is the crux of the problem right there

We have to decide what exactly the problem is

and what the solution should be

Will it involve warfare, or could there be a peaceful solution ?
Being more like the organisation we were conned into joining, even the Biased Broadcasting Corp admit we were conned, we joined the EEC, which stands for the European Economic Community , a trade organisation, where did the EU come from very mad we would never have joined if it was known Europe would be run an unelected dictator like Junker, an ex president of Luxembourg, the size of a smallish town, who's only claim to fame was introducing tax fiddles for the rich & powerful very mad I say that in a positive way laugh
So Z re-create an economic community. Agreed!

See, that was easy grin
Okay, I am defeated, will allow comments with positivity even when accompanied with rehashing and hostility.

Within reason. scold

I wish I didn't think this would start an exercise in skimming the ragged edge of disaster and twisting my tail laugh
Molly, I've gotten quite into this referendum idea now, with the internet we could basically do away with the government & all just vote on line, make a change from watching TV laugh
Z, we have a lot more referenda here as it is built into our constitution


Map, extreme right wingers are at least as dangerous, if not more, than extreme left wingers - because they often have either money and/or religious fervour behind them

Ordinary people often do go up for election, here at least, but people still haven't broken the grip of party politics
Map thumbs up I'd also add left wing lovies from stage & screen to that list, being famous for being a soap star doesn't mean we want their views on how we should live doh
Seems we can't come up with a good idea and let it carry on being a good idea. Power politics, and struggling to reach the top of the tree, and yup toppling under own weight has to happen.

Molly, one man one vote? Wow, radical! Do you think it could ever catch on? wow Government of the people, by the people, for the people??
Z, extremists are extremists no matter which side they are on.
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