The rise and rise of the referendum

Your vote counts. Baddum TISH.

Referendums have been called on issues as diverse as peace deals, nuclear power, and whether New Zealand should change the national flag.

Colombia held a referendum on a longed-for peace deal in October, with voters rejecting it in a shock result.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan wants Turkey to vote on reinstating the death penalty, backing or scrapping talks on EU membership, and changing the constitution in his favour.

On 4 December Prime Minister Matteo Renzi will ask Italians if they support his plan to cut the number of senators in Italy's upper house by two-thirds, ending its ability to bring down governments.

Switzerland is the "country most likely to" where public votes are concerned, and has already had 12 in 2016. The next is scheduled for 27 November, when people will consider a proposal to phase out nuclear power plants.

Britain's post-war Prime Minister Clement Attlee called them "a device of dictators and demagogues". Recently the UK was asked if we wanted to stay in Europe. The three main political parties - Labour, the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats - all wanted to stay. 17.4 million people had other ideas.

Democracies are based on electing people who reflect our views to represent our interests. Referendums put the issue back into the hands of the individual voter. My first referendum was in 1991 - to support FW de Klerk in his campaign to end apartheid, yes or no? 85% of registered voters turned out to have their say. The result was a foregone conclusion - everyone, even those who voted no, knew what the answer was going to be, the only question was how close the vote would be. It wasn't. He had the support of 70% of the voting public.

The recent ones, not so easy to call. In fact the polls got them wrong, every time.

So are referendums good? They are certainly one man, one vote, in action. Every time the result shocks government, it underlines how out of touch our leadership has become.

Are they bad? They are expensive. They are divisive and cause lasting resentment. It does give every single numpty around, no matter how misguided in their views grin an equal say. Are we properly informed, fully aware of the issues and consequences, qualified to have a say?
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I like having referenda.

We have more than in Britain. For divorce,Nice, Good Friday Agreement, etc.

I think there should be a lot more, especially for EU decisions like TTIP.
wave We had one on Quebec separation, it was a resounding Nay. Though every election the separatists
try to stir the pot similar to Scottish independence. So yes, they are good. imo.
(this blog is a no Trump zone)
Hi Biff, Power to the people!
Molly, my current beef is the approaching threat of fracking, there are petitions, demonstrations, and the government says 'there there' and then says to the fracking companies 'there, over there, go for it' very mad

I rather like the sound of your government, the more you say about it!
Pedal wave and yes nothing about elections here laugh

When I found this article I was taken aback at how many there are going on and now you mention the Quebec one as well - gosh. Really happening out there!

applause
Map, indeed laugh

I may ban them once I am ruler of the world, though. cool
Biff, We would need a referendum to decide if you become ruler of the world, besides Ive already claimed the position, I held a referendum and voted myself into the job.
Biff, believe me, it isn't this government or any other one

It is our constitution

They would walk all over us too if it weren't for the fact they can't with some constitutional issues
Map, well done on becoming ruler of your own world bowing

I look forward to visiting it on a diplomatic tour one of these days grin
It's been a fear for years in SA that when ANC had 75% of the public backing them, they could change the constitution to - for eg - dictator for life. Luckily their in-house squabbles meant they've never done it.

So Turkey wanting to change their constitution is a bit alarming. Once you start mucking about with the basics -
Thanks Biff, World tour dates to be confirmed.

Referendum is really a softer term for revolution, if the people are not heard, they shall rise! Like the Irish water charges, the people will revolt! ( I felt a bit Fidel Castroish there)
Map, go Che Guevaraesque instead

And he had Irish roots too grin
Molly that's who I wanted but could not spell his name, I propose a referendum to change his name to an easy phonetic version.
I love referendums banana but the EU has a history of just ignoring them, did it just yesterday, or in the case of Ireland, if they don't get the result they want they just keep asking the question till the electorate get it right very mad

Molly, dont you wave your finger at me!, Ive checked my bank balance and will jet off to Switzerland for plastic surgery, I will grow a longer scraggly beard and help you in your quest.
And on your independence vote you got it wrong, you're fishy leader says so professor so no doubt you'll be asked again, if you get it wrong this time you'll kept in after class mumbling
Z, yup, that's the downside, when the powers that be decide to keep asking the question roll eyes

You'll note I didn't even quote the Scottish one. The only thing I hope is that if it is asked again enough people have put thought into it that the answer will be a resounding 'shut the hell up, hen' - I've noticed she's switched from saying 'we'll have one soon' to 'we'll have one when the time is right'

I'm guessing just after England beat us in a World cup would be the best time laugh
What so you're going to have one every four years dunno rolling on the floor laughing
No, as it's the EU that keeps ignoring them my solution is get rid of the EU professor however I noticed you Scots didn't even agree on that mumbling laugh
Okay. Here's your cup of coffee. coffee

Drink. Eat cake. Think.

Answer the question. grin

Arggghhh wasser point.

As you were. I promise to not return until I have a truly important issue to ask about, like should men wear makeup if it suits them.

wave
Biffy, I have returned from a few coffees and indeed a small cake, were you referring to me in your last comment?

I dont have the money or inclination to really have surgery, I will just have to do.
Hey Map no it was a general comment

Although if you have decided against surgery, some truly amazing things can be done with makeup rolling on the floor laughing
Hi Lou I'm being a bit thick but not completely understanding your comment? Referendums are very backward? They probably are, they are certainly simplistic, but I was mainly making the point that they are tending to catch our elected representatives wrong-footed which shows a basic problem in communication between the elected and those who elected them.

Politics is becoming the province of those who can afford the campaign to get elected which is a problem right there. laugh
Eleg

I wasn't quite clear...again off topic...but my point being that a referendum doesn't reflect what needs to be done...equal rights comes to mind...anyhow...sometimes it is a waste of money...JMO...
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