Was the holocaust such a bad thing ?

Now I have got your attention, why are we continually reminded of the terrible things that the Germans did, even film and documentaries about them, even we have to be politically correct and no be anti Semitic.

Victims of Soviet genocide Mass murder of a type never before seen in human history was carried out in Russia by the Soviet government from 1917 until roughly 1953. That was the world's first modern holocaust, i.e. the systematic murder of millions of people by a government. The Soviet holocaust began years before the Nazis committed their holocaust.

Most of the murders committed during the Soviet holocaust were committed by people who were racially/ethnically Jewish [in fact, Jews, via their political activism, built the Soviet Union]. Granted, Soviet leader Joseph Stalin was not a Jew, and his predecessor Vladimir Lenin was only part-Jewish [however both were married to Jews]. But most of the top people who served in the Soviet government under both Stalin and Lenin were Jewish, and their names are well-known to many historians - for example Leon Trotsky, Lazar Kaganovich, Lev Kamenev, Genrikh Yagoda, Nikolai Yezhov ...YES JEWS !

Victims of Soviet genocide Interestingly, apart from the Soviet government, Jews also dominated many Eastern European communist governments , and as such they oversaw what might be referred to as micro-holocausts, i.e. the murder, torture and jailing of scores of other innocent citizens, most of them gentiles as well.

The Soviet holocaust is rarely mentioned in the West today. And when it is mentioned, it isn't referred to as a holocaust. The reason for that is because public mention of that holocaust - and calling it a holocaust - would cause the Nazi-committed holocaust to be significantly overshadowed. Such overshadowing would have major political, racial and financial consequences, not just for the Jews but for other people as well.


At least twenty million Russian citizens were murdered in the Soviet holocaust, and many more than that were imprisoned and/or tortured in some way. Many of the people who were murdered or oppressed were politically conservative or moderate Russians who simply opposed Soviet communism. But some of the people who were killed by the Soviets were political leftists who, for certain reasons, opposed the Soviet government, or, were seen as a political threat to the government.

Some Jews might make excuses for the Soviet holocaust. They might say that the Jews in Russia were only responding to anti-Semitism when they carried it out. But that's a weak excuse. Murdering 20 million people and enslaving millions more for decades is not an appropriate response to a social feature that was caused by Jewish behavior in the first place. Other Jews might say that the Soviet holocaust was not a 'real' holocaust. But of course it was: certain people were methodically murdered over a long period of time.
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how do you edit and add photos on this new fangled site !!!
So lets stop feeling sorry for a race, people,religion who have murdered so many more, and still do in Palestine .. balance the scales a bit.

Always two sides to a story.
Quite informative.. Definitely provides a different perspective to what I was used to hearing..

Thanks for sharing Ian thumbs up
..and nicely put Molly
@Z

And some of the ISIS commanders spoke hebrew, as well as arabic with hebrew accent, when Mosul was under fire and taken, the doors was left open for these, hebrew speaking leaders to walk straight out, its been said this war was planned in Bushes time, by the Zionists..you start to dig deeper its an eye opener.
Wow.. I'm truly amazed at the level of info being shared here.. maybe the level of ignorance I'm used to is restricted to the US (don't mean to hurt anyone but that has been my experience so far).

The media, in my opinion, generally plays to the hands of the biggest mafias of the world.. pharmaceuticals and arms industry. They make us believe and think exactly what they want (like the pied piper) and we follow them with our eyes closed. How do we break away from the trance?
Ian, just to support your comment, Wikileaks release yesterday of cables from 1979 -

Molly, I totally agree, I'm just hoping Trump may be something different, time will tell.
Yeah maybe if you wear a spaghetti strainer on your head, you'll have a level of protection from Zionist thoughtwaves.
I guess that is the ultimate fault with religions - they forget that it is people, human beings, do the good and evil, nobody allows it or disallows it.
I personally believe these groups are just hiding behind religion, in the UK it's football clubs, supporters of one team will fight supporters of another, the clubs replacing religion as religion is not that prevalent in the UK these days, imo it wouldn't make a jot of difference if you got rid of all religion, they'd just find something else to hide behind doh
True Z, but religion is the ultimate hiding vehicle.

One doesn't have to take responsibility for one's own actions.

If one can use a supernatural power to fall back on, it is much more powerful than any other manmade club (which may have to take responsibility in some form or other)
Molly, true, but I still reckon without the ideal - religion they'd soon find a replacement, ISIS want to put the world back into the dark ages, if they didn't have religion it would be something as stupid as beards for men & those stupid face coverings for women laugh
Absolutely Z.
the only problem is, presently, they can use the guise of religion to draw naive people in.
Religion is still stronger than beards laugh
Interesting reading if you have time...

Yes OB..thats where i got it..but not one would have read it all, they would have got bored
Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with religion.. its how the "Holy Men" tend to intentionally misinterpret the commandments and manipulate ignorant followers for their own ulterior motives is what causes problems. The definition of "Holy Men" could be extended to what has been mentioned above.
In reply to your question


Was the holocaust such a bad thing ?

Depends if you survived it !
See the thing is that everything allows for good or bad interpretations.. even the stuff our moms would've taught us.. so ultimately its on us to educate ourselves and have some reason and logic without following anyone blindly including our parents.

In the end I think its a circular reference mate.. we could keep going round and round in this argument. Bottom line is that you cannot blame religion for being open to interpretation. The blame lays with people who either A) are ignorant and follow people with closed eyes and B) intentionally lead the ignorant people astray following their own bad intentions be it money or power or land what have you..
Baig, I guess the fact that it is open for interpretation facilitates at leaders and the followers you mentioned.

Nothing is all good or all bad.

I was educated to believe that religion was good and wasn't to be questioned. B
ut i learned for myself that it sure is.
That everything in life should be questioned.

Anything followed blindly is dangerous.
Here is my theory..anyone that does not show compassion too all living things, although we do eat meat, I am suspicious of, because compassion will point you in the right direction.
Totally agree with that Molly.. but again its not religion that is the problem.. the problem is what is fed to us in the name of religion. I agree that we always have to keep our eyes open and and don't just feed off anyone blindly specially when our heart and mind tells us otherwise.
@Ia.. I totally agree with you've said.. If your religion is not telling you to be compassionate to all living things (including trees and plants) then there definitely is something wrong there.

Now that doesn't mean that cutting down trees for usage or slaughtering animals for food isn't being compassionate. All life has meaning. Cutting down trees needlessly or killing animals for sport would count as being cruel to me. But doing so for consumption would be fine as long as there is no wastage and is for survival.
Ian, compassion and respect go a long way

Even animals can be killed with compassion and respect.

South American indians always give thanks to the animal for giving up its life to feed them. That is showing the animals respect even in death.
I am too lazy to watch videos
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Nota,
If history isn't learned from, it is repeated.
Molly.. I insist..

If not now then maybe another time when you've had coffee.. grin
Baig, you obviously don' t know me very well ...I don't react well to people 'insisting' I do something grin


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Ian, you should have insisted that I didn't show you...
Ian in think you mean this instant not this instance

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Please please pretty please... with a cherry on top? batting
Haha.. I got caught between different messages.. I was only requesting you to watch the video.. blushing
Baig, I'm aware of that

It was Ian insisted on the other laugh
Phew.. that could've been embarrassing.. hole
Nah, I take no notice of that kind of banter roll eyes
Yes ob..That to
Ob I think.You mean I,not in
Good to know Molly.. thumbs up
Is this turning into a grammar and spelling lesson?
Hello Ian, I am a Lithuanian. One third of Lithuania’s population became victims of Soviet terror. 200,000 to 350,000 Lithuanians were deported to Siberia or killed without any trial or investigation of crimes. Forty percent these deportees were children below 16 years old. More than half of the deported died quickly. Pregnant women and babies born in the cattle cars were the first victims – they died in the trains.
In the cattle cars the passengers were given hardly any food except a little water and some inedible soup. There was scarcely any air to breathe as everyone was jammed together and the cars had only a few small windows covered with bars. A hole in the floor served as a toilet. Some of the people, especially the infants became sick immediately and died. The bodies of those who died on the journey were left on the side of the tracks. Alive people were looking for a grain in each other stools just to have something to put in the mouth.

After one month the train reached some Siberian center. In this case, scores of wagons were transferred onto enormous barges and sent up the River Ob to some remote settlement to live in a bug-infested hut.

Could continue horror stories on and on...

Virtually no one has been called to account for what was done. The West has chosen to forget these horrors. Nothing of these horrors is taught in their schools. There is no grand museums dedicated to those whose lives were destroyed by the communists. It mostly just remembered in the hearts and souls of the victims.
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