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Sorry. Left a word out. It should have said:

For those that said they wouldn't date a Muslim, would your opinion change if the Muslim was an American citizen born in the U.S.A.?

OK...she was upfront from the beginining and said she had sex 3 months ago.....now shes expecting...now what? Was no dishonesty there.

You might want to practice your technique then. I'm not pregnant. It's not even possible. I haven't dated anybody in a very long time.

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Israel is a MAJOR issue generally for people in the Middle East. Essentiually, form their point of view, Israel is just a colonial land grab by European Jews. The Palestinians have been largely displced, and those that remain under Israeli domination are badly terated. So as far as many Muslims and Arabs (and many others) getting Palestine back is of high importance.

And there will, yes, be some silly people among those Muslims and Arabs who are not only obsessed about Israel, but are nutso when it comes to talking about it. But this is not the case for the vast majority of Muslims and Arabs, who hope to see the conflict with Israel settled peacefully and amicably.

Oc course, as non-Muslims and non-Arabs, we are stunned when we run into the nutsos, and it is easy to assume that 'they' are all like that. In the same way, the Iraqis think that all Americans are like the US soldiers that bash down their doors in the middle of the night, or rape them. We know that they are the exception, but the dramatic and savage always crowd out the reasonable and kind when it comes to impressions...

It isn't always easy to see behind the nutsos, but we just have to do it if we want tounderstand what is going on int he world.

Agman, over the months that I have seen you psoting here, you have each and every time seemed interesting and curious and open-minded and fair. I want to acknowledge that publicly, and thank you for it. You are one of the people who make this world and this CS forum a better place.


Oceans

LOL, Hell NO! Made that mistake in my teens, but will never do it again. Of course, I wouldn’t date a Seventh Day Adventist either.

“You have no idea WTF you are talking about when you say they are a backward culture.”
That IS the impression I have gotten from the ones I have come into contact with, and what you see of their own country definitely gives this impression.

“... I think you will find I was talking about your next president ...
Barack Obama .. remember him ... father used to fish in Somalia ...”
LOL I seriously doubt he will be the next US president. At least I hope not.

“You dont respect Muslims for their faith,”
I don’t respect anyone FOR their FAITH. Only for the person they are.

“If you were ever curious, you could easily contact someone at the local mosque and go talk with them about Islam and their practices. I can almost guarantee you that they would welcome you openly.”
Tried that, and not even close to a “welcome”. Mostly dirty, hostile looks and suddenly tried to act too busy to be bothered, when before I had approached them they were just standing around. Considering that even American men, especially mechanics and such, don’t take females seriously, I just wrote it off as more of that. Didn’t want to get a worse view of muslims overall just because of those jerks.

yeah, I understand what you are saying. Man, there are times I think I ought to organize a trip to the Middle East for CSers so that we can all learn a bit more about the place and its peoples.

Like all religions, Islam has people who are entirely devout in their practice, some who are not at all, and the full range in between. So if you had contact with Muslims youwould pretty much be able to choose what levels of dedication you would associate. There are many Muslims in the US that are indistinguishable from the rest of the American population.

You may even know one already! Uh oh! Just kidding...

If you were ever curious, you could easily contact someone at the local mosque and go talk with them about Islam and their practices. I can almost guarantee you that they would welcome you openly.

(I'm not talking about Black Muslim mosques, though I have met several times with people who are Black Muslims and after a certain moment of suspicion and anti-white feeling, they are also quite open and willing to talk about their beliefs.)

Oceans

I won't use the wine or beer emoticons....

Oceans

No it is because the UK allows them to use their skills to the best effect.

Also if you knew anything about history, you would remember a small thing called the British Empire ... ruled for 200 years, murdered, killed and savaged 50% of the known world at the time!!!
Part of that was India ... you get Muslims there ...

So in answer to your question, the Muslims and the Seikhs and the Chinese created their own prosperity ..

... I think you will find I was talking about your next president ...
Barack Obama .. remember him ... father used to fish in Somalia ...

We dont have a President

The Seventh Day Adventist Church (at large, like any church, there are shades and differences) is a protestant Christian church whose beliefs are similar to Judaism in that we keep Saturday as the sabbath. We believe in the Christ, eat as clean a diet as possible vegetarian where possible but especially trying to educate the public about health. We started Loma Londa, have been associated with the founder of Kelloggs (though he had mental problems and wasn't SDA), The Black Hills Institute and ADRA, which is the protestant version of the Red Cross.
A church of Messianic Jews merged with one of ours when both (small) churches realized how similar we are, not sure about the Messianic Jews end time beliefs but we seem to get along just fine.
The most successful Islamic missionary that I know of (I'm not posting his name on this board for security reasons) has entered the Islamic community in Africa and has compared notes with several leaders (again, for security reasons, I'll be a little vague). It seems that the leader was so impressed by the doctrine and the fact that our missionary was willing to learn and cooperate, that he ordered his people to study Adventism. If his entire following (a large portion of Africa) do what he says, as is customary, then there will be more Islamic Christians than classical Christians in the world population.