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I wonder what you can do if someone is dropping 1 ton bombs next to your house, or shooting heavy artillery near your house in order to get some bad guys. I probably think you would not be able to provide the best care you can then. How about living in a place where for no fault of yours there is no food and you cannot feed your children. Or how about your child got a small disease and you cannot even find the basic medical care.


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Thanks Trish, and today's news on Forbes. The wealthy just monarchs increased their total wealth from 95 to 131 billion in past year. This is just the monarchs I am talking about. The top 2% of richest people increased their share of total wealth to more than 60%, while remaining 98% fought for less than 40%. Actually this is very underestimated. It might be up to 70-75%.




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How about those people who have hoarded billions and millions of dollars. Maybe we need to get some money from them. I don't know how people think it's fair for any one to have that much money. Money was created a solve a simple trade problem. But it has caused this amazing asymmetry in people. For instance regular people like us go to good schools and all, and then get happy to make $100K or more per year. We pay so many taxes. Most of the tax money actually comes from Payroll. As you might suspect the bonuses and other perks of rich ones are not taxed. Also from 1998-2006 many Corporations did NOT pay their due taxes, and never got prosecuted. But when you and me cannot afford to pay $1200 or so, we will be in so much trouble. What a world.


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I got a suggestion for you, maybe you need to learn either your spelling or how to type before you attempt to put in your "thoughts".I don't think there is any anger going on here, it's a simple discussion. I am sure you don't guilty for anything as long as you get your burger and fries.


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When debating I debate, when things get personal I get personal. When loved I love, when hated I hate. When personally attacked I attack personally.

My posts waved from discussion to specific ones for those who wrote to me specifically.

You kept bringing information that was already one-sided by Islam Bashers and kept quoting them. You never changed your approach and used neutral or positive sources. How about mentioning the numerous American/European/Australian women converting to Islam and see what they have to say. Just go to You Tube. Although these women live in "free" societies" they accepted Islam due to it's practical benefits.

I never read you write about them. These women live in the West. I am not preaching religion of Islam here, I am only letting people know it's practical benefits.

The topic started with "what would america and the united kingdom be like if we force to live by islamic laws ?"

Which by itself is flawed because no one is FORCED to live by Islam.

Another quote from Islamic book :" There is no compulsion is religion"

Another verse from Islamic book: " Oh non-believer to you be your religion, to me be my religion" that shows the tolerance of Islam for other religions.







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That's a nice way to not accept any guilt. Yeah their own people sold them. So what buying was still immoral and just accept it was wrong. No one is going to judge you or me, cause we weren't there.




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Totally agree with that!!


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Why dont you talk about Nazis, Skin heads, KKK, CIM. Why not talk about them. Why are you so focused on some radicals ONLY. If some Muslim guy broke your heart and was an Arab which I think is pretty common, I feel sorry for you. Arabs are not Islam. OK.

They are a small part of Islam now.


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Being forced to marry is probably her messed up family tradition. Under Islam, a woman has full rights to say NO if she doesn't want to get married. Have you seen Africa, after years of corruption. Some people from there, excel in lying and deceits. Have you seen all the internet scam coming out of Africa. That woman was living in poverty, and she saw the easy way out. Lie and more lies, bash Islam and win a ticket to West.

Btw I like people, whether Christian, Jewish, Hindu or Buddhist if they like me. I don't care much for people who dislike me whether Muslim or not. A non-muslim good to me is better than a muslim in my eyes.


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Moron stoning to death is probably practiced in your Africa where you really are from, just cause you got brought to Europe doesn't mean you start acting like a moron.

You mean beliefs, you live in UK but apparently you haven't learn t English. Maybe I will speak to you in Swahili or Tutu or POO PPOO ...lol


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Man you are a moron, a complete at that. If those people can throw 1000s of spears then how come they didnt do it to their "king". What kind of an idiot you have to be to believe, that some king sold his people and people simply agreed.


Also Idiot I said even if someone is selling slaves which are humans, it is unethical to buy them. If I had to buy human slaves I will only but them to free them.

Whole of Africa was looted by colonial powers, and they installed all the worst puppets after they left. These African countries which were unified were broken apart into smaller nations with criminals backed by the West.

This will be my last comment to you - You are a moron and not worth debating.


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Dude if your heart is broken due to some Muslim woman or because of her family, sorry for you. But please stop blaming Islam for one woman.


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Man do you know your own heritage. Do you know that blacks like yourself did not exist in Europe or USA. They were taken as slaves and treated like animals. When they started acting like Whites they were given "equal" treatment.

Such an Irony, the Blacks were oppressed and still are being oppressed all over. They had no rights in USA until 1960s, they had to be freed from Slavery, some places in Africa they had to pass a law stating you cannot hunt these people, they are ACTUALLY human.

And you sit here writing all this garbage. Right or wrong at least I am original, and I am standing up for my values. I haven't sold out.

Go look into your history and your culture. Go find out your ancestral roots and see where you came from and how.



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Miss whoever you are, you are seriously going for the WORST possible information. Ms. Hirsi Ali, this is the same woman who made that movie "submission". She was illegal in Netherlands, but since she was supposedly "muslim" and a woman and ready to bash Islam. She was made famous. To the point that now she lives in US working for a think tank.

If you are a Muslim woman and you want to get famous. Simple - go bash Islam and tell everyone how horrible she was treated. The west will love it and make her famous.

Unfortunately these women don't realize it's not ISLAM that victimized them but rather their own family.

Do you want to talk about BTK killer, Eric Rudolph, Timothy McVeigh, Ted Bundy, Jack the Ripper, and so many more. Now they are from Christian parts of the world. Do you think it will be fair to judge whole Christianity on basis of these few radicals. What about the CIM, KKK and Nazis. Can we talk about them also and say how horrible Christianity is.

Should we talk about Crusaders!!!

All over Muslim countries, so called NATO coalition has invaded. Iraq for it's OIL and Afghanistan for it's drugs and geo-strategic importance. Not a single Iraqi or Afghani has been committed of crimes outside their own countries.

Stop using radicals and haters of Islam like Hirshi Ali, Spencer and many others to judge a beautiful religion. Stop using uneducated people from Muslim countries to judge Islam.

Use Malaysia, or for that even Singapore. Or Abdul Kalam former President of India and chief scientist.

Like someone wise here said, Islam is not Arabia. Arabia is what was created by the Westerners and their games.

If Muslim women are so oppressed how come heads of states of Muslim countries have been women. How many women presidents USA or UK had so far?

Some African woman who needed to get out of Africa and used Islam bashing as a resort is not a bench mark. You can do better than that.


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Robert Spencer LOL, thats like the BIGGEST basher of Islam highly paid by interest groups to create wrong information and spread it. Hahahahaha, of all the people in the world and authors you chose that idiot.


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The laws in Islam which seem so horrible to everyone are not there literally but to show to mankind what GOD views these crimes as. Stoning is done for Adultery. But do you know the conditions for stoning to occur. Three witnesses should have seen the actual intercourse. If society comes to a point where a married man or women is so free that they can have sex with 3 people being able to watch it, that's a moral turpitude for the whole society. During the time of Prophet, a pregnant woman came to him and confessed her adultery and wanted to be stoned. He asked her to wait till child is born. Then she came back and he asked her to wait till the child weans off the milk. She came back and then he asked her to wait till the child is 3 years old. Although she confessed and it is sharia, he gave her every chance to not be stoned. Law is just to show the heinous crime that Adultery is.

Look at western culture, how many STD's are prevalent. Just imagine what Adultery does to a family? The huge emotional catastrophe it is for spouse cheated on. Imagine having kids and finding out your husband or wife cheated on you. You want to leave them but then kids. On divorce family breaks apart, society breaks apart. Don't tell me adultery does not cause any problems. Murders, Parents dead or in Prison. Is that ok?

Also look at the horribel crimes that are committed in West. Look at Singapore, it is not a Muslim country, but they are SO strict that people think 10 times before committing a crime. Look at US/Canada, someone can cut someone's head off, or kill her husband and plead insanity or abuse. Criminals who murdered innocent people for few dollars are allowed to live for ever. They know they can get away with anything. If an armed robbery is committed whether homicide occurs or not, the convict must be punished. They infringed upon someon'e private lives. Were in control of someone's life.

Look at the Interest fraud everywhere. Banks loan us money, to entire nation, then the amount they gave us is less that amount we owe due to interest. Then you always end up owing to the banks. Then they seize property or resources. Islamic laws do not allow interest.

Look how easy it is for women or men to get divorce. There is "no fault" divorce. How is that even fair? Do you think Police brutality is not obvious in west? How many black people are beaten or shot for being black?

Credit system is created. Credit score is given but deep inside this system allows discrimination based on races. Race is always asked. Do you think that is very fair?

I am not for or against Sharia, but I do hate people who have little knowledge of it bashing it. It doe shave some very good practical uses.


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Are you being serious?? Does it really matter who brought them out or not. Would you be willing to buy slaves if you can?? Won't you think twice about the immoral and unethical nature of this crime. Human slaves were brought and used in Americas for several years. Is that justified because somebody sold them??

Why did you not write about the slaughter of natives in the Americas or Australia. How come you did not respond to the slaughter of millions of red-Indians.?? I would like to know your views on that one.

How come if you look back at history - ONLY WESTERN nations have invaded and plundered other nations, stealing resources and disabling the age-old establishments. To this day it is the WESTERN nations that are invading other nations, have their bases everywhere. I want to know once when an eastern or Middle eastern country invaded a western nation.

Maybe by following Islam/Hinduism/Buddhism we respect human lives. I dont know what you follow but certainly it doesnt teach you respect for life.


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Thank you Sir for noticing my residence as Indiana. First to point out I did not mention anything bad about your nation. I pointed out all the good things and how they are somehow related to Islam. US has so many great facilities and establishments that were quiet popular and pioneered in the Islam's glorious eras.

Again the first book on modern medicine - Canon of Medicine written 1000 years ago was re-printed in Europe for 600 years. The concept of law, and being able to sue somebody for wrong doing was a gift from Islam. Saladin had to take his lawyer to defend himself against a common man. This is the same Saladin who offered safe passage to all Christians when he took Jerusalem. Despite the fact that the Crusader armies massacred every living soul within the walls of the city.

Yes I live in Indiana and proud to be a productive part of this society. I have helped families around here and created a program to give my limited knowledge to American children for free. I have helped high-school kids getting scholarships. No this is not my job, I am an Engineer by profession but a human by nature and character.

I am not from ME so I don't see any reason for me going back there. I am from India, an upcoming and developing country. Same country which was robbed by a western nation just 60 years ago of virtually everything. But still able to self-sustain and with all the short comings has some future. My most favorite acquisition is knowledge and and I love it's dissemination to others. I am indebted to many of your country men and women for this. I do not plan to stay here for ever, but gain as much knowledge as I can to give it to needing people.

To be honest I do not feel free here. I have to pay all kinds of taxes - Payroll, State, County, Medicare, Social Security, FCC, Gas, Sales. There is not a single item that is FREE!!!!


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Once again similar kind of mundane discussion, I know your religion, I have read your books, I have been to Middle-East. I am not from ME, neither I am fond of ME. You are right about selling out. I totally agree with you about being sold outs. No wonder ME is doing so horrible currently.

But this discussion started about discussion of Islam. What if Islam was imposed. Please note that most Muslims live in India and Indonesia. Muslims in India alone are more in # than the ME ones.

Islam DOES NOT mean ME. It is a universal religion with some very practical and good points. Back when every body was into idol worship and darkness, threats from Churches, Islam paved a way for CLEAR and PURE thinking. It brought out the concept of equality, and oneness of GOD. Unlike other religions, it showed to us, there is GOD and then man. That's it, that's how simple it is. There are no priests, or other "sons" between the Creator and his creation. It was incumbent upon the creation to question any ruling authority and for guidance there was a book. A man of common intelligence would be able to understand and find out what is wrong and right.

It's not about eastern people developed this and west did this. As human beings we all took help from each other. I was pointing out the pioneers that came out as a result of the clear concept that took all of us out from darkness. How many contradictions did the European scholars had with their churches. How many were punished. How many flocked to Cordoba university.

Of course amazing great inventions are gifted to us from the West. But please me mindful that the path to starting with basics was a revolution. The revolution of pure quest for knowledge with clear thinking with no fear and absolute freedom of human mind. This did come as a result of Islam.

Present condition of ME or any Muslim countries is pathetic. You are right. But how many of them actually use Islam as a tool for advancement. Look at Malaysia, they are a Muslim country with Democracy and has a solid economic progress. It's leader Mahatir is a practical man.

9/11 was a sad event , very sad. But after this horrible event, how did the west react. We have killed thousands in Iraq and Afghanistan. We displaced thousands. Please don't tell me when the cities are bombed they are not as violent as the 9/11. Thousands of orphans and widows. Women forced to prostitution to feed their children. This does happen in "war.

Islam is not and was not the culprit. It only talks about living a decent productive life with a good schedule, not cheating people, finding the truth. Every nation on this planet has come up and has gone down. Everything that comes up must go down. From the history of downfalls maybe it is time for us to learn and prevent these downfalls. I want the best for West and East. Maybe it is possible to achieve it without bombs. Maybe the western army technology and research money can be used to solve problems such as - Clean water, Poverty, safety. Maybe this technology can be used so all children of this world mine and your's can get what they deserve. Food, Stability and Safety.

Unfortunately for you my friend, you got wrong information about Islam.

I will conclude with a verse from Islamic book: " One who kills an innocent human kills all humanity, and one who saves a life saves all humanity".




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And a muslim influenced by Islam.


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