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longbird
Tehran Iran
Posted: Mar 7, 2008, 11:24 AM CST

Hi Again

First I want sincerely thank here of some English people who gathered in front of Iran Embassy in London today and showed their support from Mansoor Osanloo the leader of one the Workers Syndicates in Iran which with some of his friends are now in prison. Especially from that English woman who said: Osanloo is my brother and I want to be with him in prison. Thank you!
Khomeini is copy of Prophet Mohammad and Islamic Revolution is a copy of advent of Islam. Therefore it is necessary to know the real history of Islam itself!
There is a very good book about real history of Islam which everybody could download free and with reading it understands what Islam is really? This book has been translated to some live languages. The name of book is: 23 Years and the writer of book is Ali Dashti. I strongly recommend to interested friends to read this book.
About information about Islam I suggest this site which has many links also:
www.efsha.co.uk

Site is in Persian and English language both!
If friends have any question about Islamic Revolution of Iran, I am ready to answer if I can, but I must know what you are eager to know!



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longbird
Tehran Iran
Posted: Mar 6, 2008, 3:33 PM CST

Hi again

Okay. I know that some friends are eager to know what people of Iran are thinking now. I think it is a little bit soon to pay attention to this matter but there is no way. In short people after Revolution have understood that they have made a serious mistake.
Before Revolution they did not have any real knowledge of Islam, they did not know what has written in Koran, but after Revolution they understood everything. They understood that in Islam Woman is half a man or even woman is not human being at all. She is pig, but God has changed her figure until man could have sex
with her! Sorry!
Day by day people understood more about Islam and started to change. People obviously were and are regret about Revolution which they did. Shock after shock changed people completely. According to me one the greatest shock was in 1981. In that year Mullahs arrested many girls in demonstration against themselves. Mullahs ordered to kill them. But there was a problem. According to Islam a Virgin girl after dying will go to paradise and in Iran girls are usually virgin before marriage. Sohow to solve this problem? Very simple! First rape them and then shoot or hang them! The end of cruelty! And stories like this were happening every day.
After the war Khomeini ordered kill all of the political prisoners and in the summer of 1988 all of the political prisoners which were thousands were hanged in Iran. Just few saved! People understood what is the Islam is and what is the Islamic government. Hate of Religion which started from the morning of Revolution expanded day by day!
People started to rethink and they understood that their best friend in their history was America which never did anything bad against them. People understood that Mullahs are just a group of gangs who want to destroy their Country and to make problem for Persian and other Countries in the world. People understood because of wild behavior of Mullahs have lost their dignities in the world and the land of the Cyrus the Great who saved Jews from slavery was considering as the shelter of the terrorists. Therefore people separated themselves from regime. First it was difficult to get the point for foreigners, but at last they understood that these people are not the same people who occupied Embassy of America in 1979. It became especially very obvious when in the 11th of September many Persian youths came out with burning candles to streets to show their sympathy with Americans. America clearly got the point and separated the account of people from Regime and from that time whenever Bush is speaking about Iran, he emphasizes that he respects people of Iran and he has problem with the regime of Iran. I can claim that he is the most favourite person in Iran now and if everybody knows Persian could see how people love him when they speak about him in VOA Persian Service through telephones from Iran every night.
In fact as I mentioned beforehand we were the first nation who rose against the USA in the Middle East and we are now the only nation in the Middle East which knows America is great friend of us.
I am sure that some thinks that I do not know nature of the capitalistic regime of America, Imperialism etc. I humbly say I know these things very well! But America after 11th of Sep. is not America before 11th Sep. They have learned their lessons too! I am sure that many Americans do not pay attention what Bush says or does, but I am chasing everything as much as possible and I see that America has understood must help others to have democracy and bread and is moving in this direction and we see it here! America had many mistakes before 11th of Sep, but now they are trying to compensate and people of Iran welcome them.
Point is here that the other Islamic countries did not have the experience of the people of Iran and they think that Islam and fundamentalism could make a better world for them.



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longbird
Tehran Iran
Posted: Mar 5, 2008, 6:30 PM CST
Hi
England has traditionally very good relations with Mullahs and it started when England captured India. There, England understood that Mullahs have a very great influence upon Muslims and therefore started to recruit them. A rich prostitute died in India in 19th Century and remained a great wealth from her and she did not have any inheritor. English claimed that this money belongs to Shi' Mullahs and started to give them salary from this money!!!! Therefore relations between Mullahs and England became stronger and stronger until the collapse of Soviet Union (for more than 2 centuries) and everybody can see that about 80 % mosques in Europe are in England and especially in London!
When the story of open society imposed to Shah by Carter, English which knew the entire world very well unlike Americans, understood it is the time to have Iran again. BBC became the voice of Revolution and when it broadcasting its news every evening, nobody could be finding in the streets. They were at homes to listen to BBC.
I must say that PEOPLE OF IRAN did this Revolution and I do not want to accuse every country except people of Iran for this Revolution.
But Khomeini did not go to a mosque. He started to do what he wanted to do step by step (like Turkey). The first victims were women. They were asked to use scarf ( not a veil or Chador etc.) Just a scarf!!!. Step by step like Turkey . Women were not permitted to be judge! They were driven out from Society to homes. It was said it is better for them to stay at home and keep children. Some of them resisted but suppressed, some escaped and all of them happened step by step and not in one night.
All of the parties were driven out from the scene. England helped as much it could, because the some parties had left tendencies and some were opposing with interference of England in Iran.
But Soviet Union and its local agents were trying also. They guided occupation of Embassy of America in November 1979. Liberal Prime minister in objection to this behavior resigned. So called students who occupied Embassy find some worthless documents there. Khomeini understood that with this papers he could call everybody spy pf America. Therefore he called the occupation of Embassy Second Revolution!
Carter ordered Army of America to liberate hostages, but this operation failed! Khomeini was now Prophet of Age and every body believed that he is the messenger of God! And Carter did not do anything. Just watching and permitting fundamentalism take root! Revolution spread to other countries! Anwar Sadat was killed in Egypt. Khomeini was dreaming to capture the world (like Ahmadi Nejad). He started to criticize Saddam Hosein. Saddam was waiting for this and attacked to Iran in Sep.1980 And Carter just watching! And people of Iran like sheep did whatever Khomeini asked them. He was prophet!
In 1980 Regan became President of the USA. He promised to the people of America if he becomes president, he will attack to Iran. Mullahs understood that Ronald Regan is not Carter and he is like Bush and MC Cine. So they feared and freed captives before Regan enters to white House. Mullahs understand the language of force very well!
But Regan did not continue! Because 11th of September did not happen yet and Soviet Union existed. Khomeini took advantage of this situation and in 1981 he closed all of the news papers, Universities and removed every remaining sign of modernism. Some groups resisted and he arrested many and killed thousands of Iranian youths (the real number is unknown yet!)
America understood that Carter made a great mistake and did not permit Islamic Revolution happens again in other Islamic Countries. But supported Islamic movements against Communism and Ben Laden are product of this period!
In this Period Khomeini did whatever he liked and almost nobody cared.
Soviet Union Collapsed in 1991 and sharp edge of fundamentalism retuned toward America itself!






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longbird
Tehran Iran
Posted: Mar 5, 2008, 4:57 PM CST

Hi again

First I want to apologize from people who maybe the names of their countries are mentioning sometimes bad here. I do not want to insult anybody and I am trying to say things according to the documents.
Let's continue our story. How Mullahs took Power. When Carter who is a foolish humanitarian, pressured Shah to open the society of Iran, As I said there were no liberal man and woman in the country. People did not know anything about politics (like Turkey now). They were completely alien with intellectuals and just listening to Mullas even educated people. Islam had a very high value in community and absorbed almost everybody (like Turkey now days). Intellectuals were messengers of violence and terror according to Islam and Communism which was fashion in those days almost everywhere. From other side peaceful request did not listen by powers and super powers. In this situation 3 main groups were growing in Iran: 1- Mullahs who had wide spread communication network in all over the country. 2- Communists that people did not like them. 3 – A combination of Islam and Communism.
Secret police of Shah did not permit anybody to speak about politics and we also should consider the great role of Soviet Union in all of 20th century events. In fear of Soviet Union Berzhinski Presented a doctoring which was called Religious Belt or Green Belt. According to this doctrine, religious values must be supported everywhere especially in Countries neighboring Soviet Union.
Therefore they have started to make huge films like The Message about Prophet Mohammed, Ten Commands about Moses and some films about Christ. Salary was paid to Mullahs in Iran, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia etc. In fact they did wherever they could for empowering religious people and movements against Communism.
At the same year Soviet Union Attacked Afghanistan and West saw religion is a very efficient and useful instrument and in fact it worked very well against Soviet Union in Afghanistan.
I should add here that what Carter did, was not just because of his personal problem with Shah. It was a program to have some reforms again in Countries neighboring Soviet Union! To make them immune against Communism.
Okay. After the 1953 Coup, England was driven out almost completely from Iran and even Shah in some interview spoke against them.
IMPORTANT: We must know that in Shi' Islam there is a rule which is very important to know that. It is called: Taghyeh which means hiding. According to this rule you can hide your faith, your believes and you can show yourself somebody completely different from what you are really (this confuses westerners about government of Iran). According to this rule you may do every wrong thing to save your life or to reach to your goal. You can swear that you do not want to make nuclear weapon, but at the same time think how destroy all over the world with nuclear weapons!
Okay! Khomeiny used exactly this method in Paris. He cheated people of Iran with promising about free Electricity, water, bus and giving some money and no problem for women and freedom for all of the parties left or right, but he was lying all the time! And sometimes when he could not prevent saying what he wanted to do exactly, his translators which were so called Persian intellectuals which educating abroad, translated it for reporters something completely different.
Khomeini also cheated Americans and promised them that when he comes back to Iran, he will not interfere in political affairs and will go to a mosque and will pray to God! Carter accepted to remove Shah and bring Khomeini! And he came back!
To be continue!



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longbird
Tehran Iran
Posted: Mar 5, 2008, 1:06 AM CST
Some friends suggested me to have a thread about Iran. As I think there are many misunderstanding about Iran, I accepted. Therefore I started this thread. I think as somebody who is Persian and have seen Iran's Revolution and its aftermaths till now, with his own eyes, I could give suitable information to the people who are interested. I humbly ask the people who want to enjoy and make joke of everything, do not take part in this thread. Because this is a very serious thread and there is no place for joke. There are few that do not like me and make joke of me. I ask them to do not do that. I am not native, and it is natural that I have some problems in my English. Please try to ignore these mistakes, but if I am unclear, I can describe the matter again! I hope we could have a good thread without tension today!

I think it is necessary to say these things first. After Revolution in Russia in 1917, England decided to surround Soviet Union from every side. Therefore Reza Shah with a Coup took power in Iran. The same happened in Turkey (Ataturk), Afghanistan (Aman ullah Khan), Iraq and some countries in Europe. The Agenda was rebuilding these countries and make them safe and secure in front of Communism. After A while Reza Shah did not accept to obey English in every way. He remained in Power until England, America and Soviet Union occupied peacefully Iran in WWII. Reza Shah was exiled by English and his son, Mohammad Reza Shah replaced him. For 12 years from 1941 till 1953 we had democratic governments in Iran. After the War Russians wanted to continue occupation of Iran, but Harry Truman threatened them to use nuclear weapon against Russia and Russia was obliged to empty Iran. Shah did not have any Power. In 1951 Dr. Mossadegh became prime minister of Iran. He decided to nationalize oil which was plundering by English! 2 years challenge! Dr. Mossadegh convicted English in the International Court in the Hague. England encircled Iran from Persian Gulf ways and did not permit Iran to sell its oil. Americans supported Iran, and they suggested Iran share half&half by English, But Dr. Mosadegh made a mistake and did not accept. English convinced Americans about a Coup against Mosadegh! Americans somehow were obliged to accept. Coup happened in 1953, Dr. Mossadegh was sent to Jail and Shah took power again. He started to become a dictator. 1n 1960 Americans obliged him to have great reforms in Iran and he did. Iran started to progress and around 70ties we were one the richest countries in region and the world. Our Army was the fifth power in the world. Shah made a mistake again. He interfered in America's election in 1976 against Jimmy Carter. He won the election and asked Shah to open the Society of Iran. Liberal powers were destroyed by Shah beforehand. This open Society gave time to religious powers to rise against Shah. Jimmy Carter did not support him and let him go. Shah Was mentally a weak man from the beginning of his life unlike his father. BBC played a great role to MAKE an Revolution in Iran and Shah collapsed and Mullahs took power! And it was 11th of February 1979! AND ISLAMIC FOUNDEMENTALISM STARTED IN THE WORLD!



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longbird
Tehran Iran
Posted: Mar 5, 2008, 1:03 AM CST
Manolito wrote:
judging by what my Iranian friends tell me that is going on in your country, you should be very carefull in posting what you post on the internet my friend... I worry about you...

Yes.it is like a suicide or Russian rullet, but there is no other way!


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Tehran Iran
Posted: Mar 4, 2008, 4:21 PM CST
Sparky55 wrote:
I am very eager to do that! but the point is here that nobody believes me and they think I want to show a good picture of my country!
But please just remember that Persain people and Persian government now days are completly differnt from each other! Thanks for your reply. I understand your concerns about people. We can be a nasty bunch sometimes but it would still make for an interesting and informative thread. Your choice of course. See ya

Okay!

We will have very soon a thread about Iran! and we understand what exactly happens here.


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Tehran Iran
Posted: Mar 4, 2008, 4:19 PM CST
morganlee wrote:
I agree with you i do not claim to be an expert by any means but i live here in a Turkish environment with Turkish friends and hear what there concerns and aspirations are for there country. They enjoy there freedom and links to the western world and want this to develop, but have respect for others who wish to live in the more traditional way.


Again I repeat!

I sincerly hope that Turkey remins secular, but there are amny bad signs that shows maybe sitution will change! Again I sincerly wish that Army and intellectualls of Turkey understand their historic duty and by force and logic drive back poltical Islam to dark ages and do not do the same mistake we did!


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Tehran Iran
Posted: Mar 4, 2008, 4:12 PM CST
jlb684 wrote:
I very much agree, Sparky. I am extremely interested in hearing from anyone who lives in any society that we either know little about or perhaps fear (or both). It is a wonderful reminder that we are all a part of the human race and that our governments do not always represent who we are as individuals.

I said few!


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Tehran Iran
Posted: Mar 4, 2008, 4:10 PM CST
Manolito wrote:
i for one, hear your concerns and sympathise with what you say. Many of your fellow citizens have fled to Romania after the sad events you described and i have many iranian friends - i know what you are talking about from the tales i hear every day. All i can say (since i do not agree with you about turkey) is that i hope you prove to be a false prophet. It would be a dark, dark and numb day for the world was Turkey to fall to islamic regime...

I sincerly hope Tutrkey remains secular! but I can not cheat myself(no offend) and I hope that I will be a false prophet as you said about Turkey!


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Tehran Iran
Posted: Mar 4, 2008, 4:07 PM CST
Sparky55 wrote:
Longbird,

Maybe you should consider a thread on Iran. Having someone from there on these threads is rare and I for one would be interested in seeing what's going on there and what the average person on the street thinks about the direction their President is taking them.

I am very eager to do that! but the point is here that nobody believes me and they think I want to show a good picture of my country!
But please just remember that Persain people and Persian government now days are completly differnt from each other!

People of Iran are now open mindest people in Middle east(they have laearned theie lessons in 30 years suffering)! and they are searching for a way to save them as soon as possible. No people in Middle East loves America now more than Persians! in 11th 0f September the only people in Middle East which showed sympathy with America, were Persians!not Iran's government!
But As George Bush is saying always, a terrorist regime has kidnapped our nation and we can not do anything! Prisons are full! Demenstrations everyday, but they kill without hesitation and they are very cruel!Story is very long! In one word now in middle East, we have a nation that has an Islamic government with secular people(Iran) and we have many secular regime with Islamic people(other countries of Middle East).I do not know where do you live, but if you can come to UCLA University, there are conferences about these subjects and you could learn a lot there and if you wish I can arrange and send programm of lectures to you!
And finally some terrorista are not representative of people of Iran!


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longbird
Tehran Iran
Posted: Mar 4, 2008, 3:50 PM CST
jbibiza wrote:
Hey Morgan, Oslo Maybe he's trying to pull the tourist trade from Turkey to Iran?


Dear

In the last 3 yeras we had about 300 Bilion $ income just from selling from oil. Ok?
If we had a democratic government, we did not need any body come here as almost nobody comes!
Our Problem is despotic regim in Tehran!
We are originally rich, but now we are living in poverty beacuse of political Islam!!!


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Tehran Iran
Posted: Mar 4, 2008, 3:43 PM CST
Jan1305 wrote:
I agree Jeff.


I do not know what I want to say has any realtion with your comments or not, but I say!

Choice, yes we must choose, but story here is something else!

Despotic parties grow in demcratic sitution and when they took power, step by step they limit you and it takes times and it depends to many factors!and then do not come down peacefully again!
30 years ago nobody did not have any problem with what you wear, but sitution is differnt now!
I was in University of Ankara some time ago and I really amazed how tendency toward Islam is strong between girls there and how moderns are in minority .Islamist have chosen scarf to show they want Islamic
Republic!as we did at the time of Shah!
Future will show very soon was I right or not???



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Tehran Iran
Posted: Mar 4, 2008, 3:25 PM CST
jbibiza wrote:
I said that I did not take it to be extramarital sex. Please read what I write before you respond, that is 2 times in one thread that you have misunderstood what I wrote.

This time I understood what you said! but I add something! just it!


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Tehran Iran
Posted: Mar 4, 2008, 3:17 PM CST
morganlee wrote:
Jan said Iranian men not Turkish

I understood what she said!


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Tehran Iran
Posted: Mar 4, 2008, 3:13 PM CST
oslojente wrote:
Something about people in stonehouses shouldn't throw wine glasses, or whatever...

Oslo it seems to me that you be must smarter than this!
Your first mistake is here that you consider me with government of Iran as one, and it is the very common mistkae everywhere! most of the people here have completely differnt views with their government!
Then I see that you do not like many of my ideas!I sense it! For example about Obama! no problem! I am as liberal as you are and no problem at all! you have your ideas and I have my ideas! But I think we both respect minorities, human rights etc.
I am really palying with my life with writting these words from heart of Tehran!So I am not prescribe medicene for Turkish and sit aside!
Then democrtic govenments support democratic people and Turkey is our neighbour! If they go wrong way as we went, we will have a lot of problem! therefore helping every democratic government or institute is like help your country and people! peace


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Tehran Iran
Posted: Mar 4, 2008, 2:58 PM CST
morganlee wrote:
This is you second thread about Turkey yet you are Half Iranian why do you not write about the country you live in ?? Why Turkey?


Though my mother is Turkish, I do not see myself as a Turk. I consider myself as a Persian. Why I do not write about my country??? The story of my country is obvious for everybody! at laest I think so!
Why I write about Turkey? because I see they go exactly the way we went 30 years ago! and I do not want happen there what happened here!if I can! and I think it will happen anyway!


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Tehran Iran
Posted: Mar 4, 2008, 2:50 PM CST
Jan1305 wrote:
Nah, I just remembered when I lived in Turkey and meeting Iranian men who visited my Turkish friends from time to time.

None of them were ever accompanied by their wives.


Quite right!


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Tehran Iran
Posted: Mar 4, 2008, 2:48 PM CST
morganlee wrote:
Certainly not where i live there are as westernized as any European city, also this is not apparent in Istanbul, Maybe in more rural areas and East Turkey. I have a Turkish friend female friend she drinks, she smokes, she has sex when she choses, she has her own life.

Exactly!




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Tehran Iran
Posted: Mar 4, 2008, 2:40 PM CST
jbibiza wrote:
In a different society then the writer is from that might have come to mind, but the culture that this elegant writer comes from views any acts of love that a woman takes part in outside of marriage to be a sin... I know that other cultures do as well... Christian etc. anyway that's a topic for another thread, don't get me started on my soap box...

I should add here that eccept few exceptions, extramarital sex is sin in every community, but punishments are differnt. Here is stonning and in your country maybe divorce!



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