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opalbeauty
Worcester County USA
Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 11:15 AM CST
WhatUwish4 wrote:
Opal, you just could not be more wrong about my patriotism. And just because YOU think this war is illegal, apparently nobody agrees or feels strongly enough to stop it. And that includes the dems who are sitting in congress blowing smoke up your ass.


No we are too humane to go in and start a war and leave the country in that shock and awe state of crisis and why should we, Powell warned them "if you break it, you own it." It was illegal by international standards and there are many impeachable offenses. But we don't want to go into that NOW do we. If McCain gets in office all the hard work would be wasted. Who knows, I still hope Bush and Cheney are brought to justice. I know his legend is a man who led the US into an illegal war and gave us the biggest deficit in history while Americans lost jobs and prices sky rocketed.


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opalbeauty
Worcester County USA
Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 11:06 AM CST
Skybow wrote:
I pray you are right Opal, if those nukes start flying we won't have to wait for global warming will we?


Well, a lot could be worked out in years. I prefer to explore options then rushing into wars.


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opalbeauty
Worcester County USA
Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 10:57 AM CST
Skybow wrote:
Yea but maybe it is because we didn't have Rove in our camp, how many Dem politicians do you think would have refused his smarmy services if given a chance to have them?


I believe quite a few would not seek to that level. We dont' want Rove in our camp.


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opalbeauty
Worcester County USA
Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 10:56 AM CST
WhatUwish4 wrote:
"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government."Which is why we don't want more dems, more taxes or bigger government.

We also don't want to "feed the f**** world" on the backs of our own people, espacially when they turn around and slap our faces. How nice that we have consistently been the one country to help others in times of need, yet you feel patriotism is over-rated? Where do you think America would be without it?

Gads. i better hit the sandbox quick.


So not wanting a Dem Pres makes you a unPatriot. In my opinion we are in an illegal war taking the resources of a Sovereign Country and Bush went into this illegal war saying "You are with us or against us" I'm against it. It has already been proved that all the reasons he said we went into Iraq was false and people still back him. It doesn't matter what he does, some people will still back him. That's not patriotism.


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opalbeauty
Worcester County USA
Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 10:49 AM CST
Skybow wrote:
And Dems are just as guilty of the 'ole smoke and mirrors separate our bases with lies about the other guy even if they aren't as good at it!


I disagree, Dems are not as guilty and have not had the power to abuse and I do not believe would have abused the power the way the Bush/Cheney administration has done.

I know they are guilty of their own tactics but not of the enormous amount of lies, coverup, breaking laws, taking our liberties, abuse of powr that this administration has done.


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opalbeauty
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Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 10:44 AM CST
Skybow wrote:
I think you are dead wrong here Dude.


From my research I believe it will take them years.


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opalbeauty
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Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 10:41 AM CST
Skybow wrote:
Opal I don't admire or emulate that strategy. Any time I want to shovel sh*t I'll use it to compost my garden. Basically I'm into the finding out the truth and voting accordingly. All that far left, far right, liberal, Rep, Dem, name calling just separates us into camps and pulls no weight with me.


Good for you! Everyone is not like you.


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opalbeauty
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Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 10:38 AM CST
ttom500 wrote:
Our forefathers taught us a valueable lesson....when they said stand together or fall together. What they really were saying is no matter what your political veiws were.....you had to see yourself as a
American first.

We could argue the differences in our views. And come to compromises in thier positions and policy. But if we, as Americans, did not stand together, making all these arguements was not going to amount to much...as we had lost our freedom and liberty to do them.

At someplace the debate needs to ends, and being one country begins. Hopefully that is sooner rather than later.


I welcome an individual's perspective from outside of Ameirca because America does not live in a vaccum. We share one World. This is an international forum and people in other countries have the right to discuss world matters. Everyone is watching America right now. People have used patriotism to quite others for WAY TOO long in my opinion. Dude knows this and the people who disagree with him would like for him to just be quite. Sure we are all Americans but it is not unamerican to question your government. It is unamerican not to.


"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government."

~Abbey, Edward

"Our country is not the only thing to which we owe our allegiance. It is also owed to justice and to humanity. Patriotism consists not in waving the flag, but in striving that our country shall be righteous as well as strong."
~Bryce, James

"My country, right or wrong," is a thing that no patriot would think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying, "My mother, drunk or sober."
~Chesterton, G. K.

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety."
~Franklin, Benjamin

"All men profess honesty as long as they can. To believe all men honest would be folly. To believe none so is something worse."
~Adams, John Quincy








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opalbeauty
Worcester County USA
Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 10:21 AM CST
Skybow wrote:
Morning Wish, I only have a few min before I let my Bro wake up with his blogs before work but I'll be baaak.

I an noting that you admit that McCain changes his positions too, of course he does of course Obama does.

I think it is a mistake to use talking points and canned slams for the opposition while your own candidate is golden. It's not only BS it creates resistance to understanding each other.

So hear this People, THEY are ALL FLAWED in some way and it isn't only women who are allowed to change their minds. If our choice candidate didn't change his mind he would be a robot and need programming. I think the most import issue is how HONEST they are and how good a job they do.


sometimes I talk about the politics of politics. I KNOW both canidates are FLAWED but when it has been the GOP's startegy and has worked well for them to attack the oppenents character. I like to know what to expect. Will it be a campaign about issues? I would like to see that happen for a change with the GOP but I don't think so.


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opalbeauty
Worcester County USA
Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 9:54 AM CST
trublu wrote:
"opalbeauty wrote:
McCain is weak on foreign policy, weak on the economy, weak on imigration, a weak speaker. Hopefully, the Dems have caught on enough to get out of the way and let them hang themselves.
Polls show that people have bigger fears than terrorism now."
That one made me laugh so hard I just can't even come up with words to go over just how out of left field it was. DAMN FUNNY STUFF! Especially the part about letting him hang himself, guessing "she" meant with his own words, when Obuttma does it routinely. Why else would they have to lie about what those troops said? To make it look like it will even be enough of a race to bother with having it at all?

WhatUwish4, thought by now Americans all understood that those in other countries are hoping and praying we get stuck with Obuttma, because it will weaken the country beyond belief, and then some of them may just decide to try and annex us or something. Would be in all their best interest to cause our decline, just not in our best interest.

Single dud "when Obama changes his views it is because of he is wise and can see a point in changing a little and then later he will adjust the issue for sure. when McCain flip flops it is because he is a lier and a cheater and beside because his memory is not that sharp any more..........."
When using this kind of bizarre rationalization for opinions, who can have any respect for them?


some people's respect I really could care less about. I stand by what I say McCain is weak on these issues. That is from my own understanding and I do try to stay informed and do research on both canidates. I know Obama is not perfert. But I believe this country would do better under his leadership. If you can't repect that my opinion is different than your's and you want to make a personal attack it says more about you. I am talking about the candidates.


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opalbeauty
Worcester County USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 9:36 PM CST
Skybow wrote:
I've got to get some chores done, too early for sleep for me. I'll check back later to see if anyone has a second wind.


I am getting ready for bed, early to bed, early to rise for me. Goodnight Sky teddy bear


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opalbeauty
Worcester County USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 9:32 PM CST
Skybow wrote:
I think the guys are tired for a looong day of stress threading, they are picking up their toys and going home Opal.


Well, Sky we are united more than ever. hug


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opalbeauty
Worcester County USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 9:27 PM CST
rwantin wrote:
Yeah, I hear they've been spraying starting fluid in the Fear Mongering Machine. Only a matter of time...

Good night folks.


McCain is weak on foreign policy, weak on the economy, weak on imigration, a weak speaker. Hopefully, the Dems have caught on enough to get out of the way and let them hang themselves.
Polls show that people have bigger fears than terrorism now.


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opalbeauty
Worcester County USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 9:13 PM CST
"Schmidt is a very capable operative, and everyone on the other side of the aisle has respect for his ability," said Wade Randlett, a Democratic fundraiser and Obama supporter.

But McCain's problem, he said, has been that "he doesn't have his own positive message.

" 'War record, war hero, maverick' is what they're trying for - but what's killing them is their own base," Randlett said. "There's this tension of trying to pull right on one day on judges and then go left the next day on immigration. McCain is left-right, left-right, and that's just not working," Randlett said.

"So when you hire Schmidt you say: "Well, let's just do the one thing we all agree on - which is beat the hell out of Barack."

It's not surprise to me that weak John McCain flipflopping like a whale out of water has changed his mind about running a respectful campaign?




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opalbeauty
Worcester County USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 6:41 PM CST
ttom500 wrote:
Collin Powell has met with both Obama and McCain now. So?
Hat might be in both rings for a VP offer. He would be a good for
either Obama or McCain in my opinion. Both are smart in talking
to him.


I was looking at Obama's VP short list and Powell is not on it but Chuck Hagel is. And I always liked him.


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opalbeauty
Worcester County USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 5:26 PM CST
In the midst of that April 10 speech, Bush boasted that "recruiting and retention have remained strong during the surge." Of course he neglected to mention how the Army, because of low numbers of new recruits, was forced to refashion its enlistment criteria over the course of the last few years, allowing them to say at this moment that they were meeting their 2008 recruiting goals of 80,000 in the active Army and 26,500 for the Army Reserve.




Achieving that goal required a reduction in the annual recruitment goal, raising the maximum enlistment age from 35 to 42, permitting those who are overweight or have physical injuries, granting entry to those with a criminal record and lowering the aptitude standards. A study by the National Priorities Project released in January determined that just over 70 percent of new recruits joining the active-duty Army in 2007 had a high school diploma, falling nearly twenty points below the Army's goal of 90 percent. The Army has long known that high school graduation is an important factor, not for performance but for retention.


All these important stories about recruitment shortcomings and concessions had a short shelf life (if they were covered at all) when mainstream media chose to cover sensationalist stories such as the March 6th Times Square bombing and a rash of other acts of violence and vandalism against recruitment centers. But just weeks before the Times Square bombing, an important recruitment story was left severely underreported: the 2009 Department of Defense (DoD) budget proposal put a $20.5 billion line in the budget for recruiting, nearly doubling it from 2008. In 2003, the budget was $4 billion.






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opalbeauty
Worcester County USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 2:04 PM CST
WhatUwish4 wrote:
"Saddam's Dangerous Friends" cont.

AS it relates to media bias and poor government PR...

"As I said, this ought to be big news. And, in a way, it was. A headline in the New York Times, a cursory item in the Washington Post, and stories on NPR and ABC News reported that the study showed no links between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein.

How can a study offering an unprecedented look into the closed regime of a brutal dictator, with over 1,600 pages of "strong evidence that links the regime of Saddam Hussein to regional and global terrorism," in the words of its authors, receive a wave-of-the-hand dismissal from America's most prestigious news outlets? All it took was a leak to a gullible reporter, one misleading line in the study's executive summary, a boneheaded Pentagon press office, an incompetent White House, and widespread journalistic negligence." Opal...sounds like you only read the media's abridged version yourself.

AS I said, sometimes it pays to shut up...which I am REALLY going to do now.


This is just kind of funny....

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush repeated his administration's claim that Iraq was in league with al Qaeda under Saddam Hussein's rule, saying Tuesday that fugitive Islamic militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi ties Saddam to the terrorist network.

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Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda link allegations

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opalbeauty
Worcester County USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 12:52 PM CST
WhatUwish4 wrote:
"When the evidence is clear that these individuals have funded terrorist organizations, and knowingly done so, then that should be prosecuted and treated as real terrorism because it is," Levey says.

I agree with this, by the way, and will heartedly admit that nobody is perfect in our government...including republicans. But this logic which you posted ALSO furthers my argument about Saddam Hussain and weakens your argument against the war.

Again, sometimes it pays to shut up, which I am going to do now.


Have you even read any of the 9/11 commissions report, and it has repeatedly been stated, even by Bush himself. Saddam had no ties with Al-queda. Bush misled America.


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opalbeauty
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Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 12:31 PM CST
WhatUwish4 wrote:
I disagree about his rushing into war, which I outlined about a page or two ago.

And neither you nor I know what went on behind closed doors with the prince, or whether or not Bush addressed him on this matter. I won't pretend to know it all and neither should you. However, it does occur to me that there is such a thing as diplomatic relations and perhaps getting the prince to safety was one of those things. Sometimes, whether we like it or not, it pays to shut up.


Well, I know the King's and Prine's of Saudi were the Bush family's long time friends and oil supplier.
Wouldn't want to go to war on them since they were supplying, no matter what the human right violations.

There is like 100,000 links that say Saudia Arabia is still allowing individuals to sponsor al-queda with millons of dollars six years after
9/11.


Despite six years of promises, U.S. officials say Saudi Arabia continues to look the other way at wealthy individuals identified as sending millions of dollars to al Qaeda.

"If I could somehow snap my fingers and cut off the funding from one country, it would be Saudi Arabia," Stuart Levey, the under secretary of the Treasury in charge of tracking terror financing, told ABC News.

Despite some efforts as a U.S. ally in the war on terror, Levey says Saudi Arabia has dropped the ball. Not one person identified by the United States and the United Nations as a terror financier has been prosecuted by the Saudis, Levey says.

"When the evidence is clear that these individuals have funded terrorist organizations, and knowingly done so, then that should be prosecuted and treated as real terrorism because it is," Levey says.

Among those on the donor list, according to U.S. officials, is Yasin al Qadi, a wealthy businessman named on both the U.S. and U.N. lists of al Qaeda financiers one month after the 9/11 attacks.





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opalbeauty
Worcester County USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 11:58 AM CST
HJFinAZ wrote:
It "appears", not long back, one was calling another "judgemental"...........


All you are here for is to make personal attacks and try to quite people who don't see everything your way. That is pretty childish from a man who says he loves everyone and is so enlightened. Why don't you give it a rest and let other's express their opinions without your personal attacks for having different views than you. All you want to do is argue. I guess if you can't discuss the issues you want to distract from them. I will just ignore you.


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