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I think that you have to take each country, differently. The issue that Kim and North Korea is a different set of problems than Iraq. North Korea....korean war...dmz....nuclear proliferator going thru Dr. Khan
of Pakistan.....ceasefire and truce but still technically at war...solid ally in S. Korea. Vastly different than Sadam, Iraq and AlQeada connections.

It like saying one set of policies matrix.....will work for every country situation. But they are vastly different. simply by geography, players,
events, threats.

North Korea never got a long range missile with range to reach the US.
Even though it had nucs...and only a few....they were not a direct threat to the US.

Sadam and AlQeada terrorism? Well as I have said maytime in the past, money man and a deliverer....dead Americans on the streets.
A deliverer with a proven history on 9/11. A money man with a bundle of money.

Two different deals and it totally nieve to think that one policy will work for them both. Walking into either of these situations with a happy face was not going to work. WAlking into North Korea with the backing of Russia, China, Japan, S. Korea, Tiawan, and the US...was gonig to and did work. The problem here is that OPal and far lefters
hate to see GWB conservative methods of international diplomancy have success. It up upsets the apple cart of the liberal methods of Barak.

The far left just want this to continue...so they can it was not a success in diplomancy and be force to give GWB and C. Rice some creidt to making it work....a really tricky international situation bieng counted as win. Winning in anything is concept of winning habit.

With Iraq becoming win, with the middle east becoming a win, and now with North Korea becoming a win.....sound like a neat habit of wins to me. But they cannot salute because.....does not fit the far left spin on all the supposed failures.

Opal,

He's not just doing it now, this has been being worked for years and it's now getting to a point where more positive rather than negative steps are being taken. Hopefully they continue.

As for your other comments about an illegal war, lies, etc.. We have discussed this in the past and we will just have to agree to disagree. We are both fairly smart and can find arguements for both sides of that and probably frustrate the hell out of each other in the process.

The only thing I can say is it will be really interesting to see how the next guy is seen that enters the office.

Conrad and his famous "Same Horse, Different Rider" comment will probably be made right.

I'm certain this move could be used for your stated purpose. There's already political movement in Obama's and McCain's camps to work this for their own advantage but can you really see right through him and know with such certainty why this is happening?

Yes he has made allowances and those have been publically acknowledged and disclosed. He's also made it very clear why and what he would do if N. Korea moves in the wrong direction. I see this as Bush is doing the very thing that people accuse of failing to do in the case of Iraq (Diplomacy & Public Disclosure). Now he's done this and he's still wrong.

There's just no pleasing some people.

Of course they're all liars,but there's always the lesser of the two evils.
Anyway,don't worry about Obama...he's black and McCain is white.
What do you think is going to happen in this racist society?
It's a joke.

from the axis of evil or whatever Hollywood name he gave it to the country.

Either the fear to lose the profitable businesses with the greedy Chinese -who won´t tolerate such a infiltration in their security area- or to get smashed by the Asians ...(Bush might not have got aware even with his lofty education that the US army was already knocked out in Korea) .... the thing is the good boys make me laugh my bloody arse off.

Interesting,GWB can't do anything you'd approve of.

I don't think he is doing it TODAY tom, actually, I was reading yesterday that he hasn't done squat yet, and I doubt very seriously if he will give complete compliance to what Bush is asking. I think Bush is rushing again in the extreme way he always does. Time will tell.
It does make me angry that he was a bigger threat than Saddam and actually had nukes but Bush just HAD to rush to war on Iraq.

So what I have you saying here is...that though North Korea has now given a complete disclosure to it nuclear activities to the group 6. They are sending that to China now. And is tearing down the cooling towers at thier nuclear reactors making them ineffective. That they party of 6 sanctions were effective in bringing this about. That with several million north Korean starving and living in hard conditions.

You feel GWB should keep the sanctions on because Kim is a weirdo?
Do I have it right?

I wish - Im having a heck of a struggle here trying to uninstall windows media player 11 - was just about to say 'back to real life' but - woooo hoooo - this is real now and not just a dream anymore

Bush administration lifts North Korea sanctions (AP)

AP - President Bush said Thursday he will lift key trade sanctions against North Korea and remove it from the U.S. terrorism blacklist, a remarkable turnaround in policy toward the communist regime he once branded as part of an "axis of evil."

HE REALLY IS THAT DESPEARTE to leave office saying he accomplished WHAT? Georgie remembered he had CHEERLEADING skills

I think McCain's temper is a liability. I don't know how qualified he is in certain areas. I don't give a rat's ass about his past marriage - particularly in light of the fact that Bill Clinton thoroughy extinguised this as an issue. And all I have seen of Cindy McCain is no better or worse than any other candidates. Correction....at least she is proud to be an American...

Here's the whole post again in BOLD . The items in green are direct quotes from the article you provided. This is back on page 8 or 9 of this thread. Sorry, I would have saved you some by cutting and pasting the site but I didn't think of it at the time

Thanks for the reply Opal.

It's a confusing article and I think somewhat misleading.

They state later on that

People in the top 20 percent of incomes, averaging $182,700 a year, saw their share of federal taxes decline from 65.3 percent of total payments in 2001 to 63.5 percent this year, according to the study by congressional budget analysts. This seems to state that 20% of the taxpayers in the US which includes the top 1% of earners, are paying 63.5% of the nations federal taxes.

In contrast, middle-class taxpayers — with incomes ranging from $51,500 to $75,600 — bear a greater tax burden. Those making an average of $75,600 had the biggest jump in their share of taxes, from 18.5 percent of all payments in 2001 to 19.5 percent this year This seems to state that the middle class is paying 19.5% of the nations federal taxes.

It doesn't give what precentage of people in the US fall into the middle and lower classes but it seems clear that there's only room for 36.5% of federal tax to be collected after the governemnt collects 63.5% from the wealthy. So to break it down:

20% of the nations population (The wealthy) are paying 63.5% of the nations federal taxes.

80% of the nations population (The middle and lower income classes) are paying 36.5% of the nations federal taxes.

This seems more than fair to the middle and lower income taxpayer(s) Granted, taxes, finance, etc... are complicated and this article. Perhaps I am missing something.

I do agree with the idea that the wealthy should contribute more but at the same time, I think they are already doing a lot more than a majorty of the nation is. At what point is it enough?

So that's it, let me know what you think.

Is that the exact numbers Sparky? I think it is a like 30 something of the top wealthiest and 50 percent of the wealhiest pay the most but still those cuts are trillions of dollars based on the tax rate code and they didn't work and wasn't needed as much by the wealthiest. And that money does have to be paid back.

Opal,

I was talking about this comment:

20% of the nations population (The wealthy) are paying 63.5% of the nations federal taxes.

80% of the nations population (The middle and lower income classes) are paying 36.5% of the nations federal taxes.

This seems more than fair to the middle and lower income taxpayer(s) Granted, taxes, finance, etc... are complicated and this article. Perhaps I am missing something.

I do agree with the idea that the wealthy should contribute more but at the same time, I think they are already doing a lot more than a majorty of the nation is. At what point is it enough?

This is a synopsis of the article you posted on income tax cuts to the rich. And again I ask, How much is enough?

I remember John (Breck Boy) Edwards having that problem w/hedge funds.... ...during the primary.

I though Sparky did a nice job discreting this argument this afternoon.

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