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princemuncher northfield, Ohio USA
I'd rather discuss pagan origins of the Bible story. (It's more interesting, as the story of Jesus is just that, of pagan origin)

For those interested in a good read, Read the story of Noah in Genesis. Afterwards, take a little story called The Epic of Gilgamesh and read it side by side with the Genesis account of the Great Flood.

The Genesis story is a word for word plagurism of the Sumerian Epic.

As for Jesus, the virgin birth is not prophesized in the OT. The origional text reads "almah" which means "Young woman" in Hebrew. It always has.

Whoever wrote Matthew changd it to "virgin."

There are DOZENS of pagan virgin births.

Dozens of deaths and resurrections.

Dozens of miracles.

Dionysus changed water into wine. Vespatian cured a blind man with spittle.

Pagan origins. Gotta love history.


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princemuncher northfield, Ohio USA
loverobin: If you really want to know the whole truth...read the Book Of Mormon...another testament of Jesus Christ. It isn't the Bible..it is the other stick of the book...Ezekiel 37:16-20
The Book of Mormon is the stick of Judah and the Bible is the stick of Joseph. These two book go hand and hand.
Robin


Oh, Dear.....the Mormons?

Really?

You mean the Book of Mormon which states that those cursed by god would suffer with dark skin, but when they come back to his grace, they would become "white and delightsome"?

YOu mean the Book of Mormon which is almost a word for word plagurism of the OT?

You mean the Book of Mormon which was dictated from behind a curtain by an illiterate Joseph Smith and when asked to see the Plates, he said "no"?


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princemuncher northfield, Ohio USA
bosmike: The twisted irony with atheists is that when asked where "IT" all started, how the "Big Bang" came about (something out of nothing??), all they are left with is pure conjecture. So for them to ridicule Jesus (or any other religious figure) on whether or not He was/is the Messiah, they can't even come to grips in explaining why their atheistic beliefs are absolute, as they cannot explain what they claim to believe, based on the literal meaning (i.e. absolute non-belief in God) of atheism.

Maybe their inability to explain their own beliefs translates into an inordinate percentage of disgruntled, bitter atheists, which is ultimately is sad.


Something from nothing? Like how God created something from nothing???

Life from non-life?

Isn't dust "non-life"?

I see you claim an athiest cannot explain their beliefs, however, when confronted with the outlandishness of your Book, you all ignore the history and plagurized myths....

Why is that?


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princemuncher northfield, Ohio USA
To add:

There is NOT ONE comtemporary writer who spoke of Jesus. NOT ONE. No eyewitnesses to Jesus and his birth, death, resurrection, and ministry.

Find one (undesputed) contemporary writer in Jesus' time who chronicled his life and you win a prize.


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princemuncher northfield, Ohio USA
In response to: non-Christian sources, such as Josephus, the Talmud, Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, and other?


You sure copy other's research and opnions well, as usual, mike.

Josephus mentions Jesus only ONCE in the Antiquities of the Jews. And in the 18th century, the mention of Jesus was proven to be a forgery inserted my a copyist monk.

Josephus doesn't work.

The Talmud? Are you serious?

TThe stories about Jesus were never intended as an attempt at historically accurate narrative. Rather, in the Talmudic style, they "encode legal and theological argumentation in the form of sometimes-imaginative storytelling."

And by mentioning Jesus in the Talmud, do you mean the part where it says Jesus is rotting in Hell in a vat of excrement? Don't you see, Yeshu (it isn't clear if it meant Jesus anyway) is inserted to thwart christians away from their belief.

Tactus..

In response to: Tacitus was a Roman historian writing early in the 2nd century A.D. His Annals provide us with a single reference to Jesus of considerable value. Rather frustratingly, much of his work has been lost, including a work which covers the years 29-32, where the trial of Jesus would have been had he recorded it. [Meie.MarJ, 89]


Did you catch that? 2nd century AD. A little late for eyewitness testimony, wouldn't you say. Tactus is all hearsay.

Pliny the Younger

You mean Pliny the Younger who was born in 61 AD? Again, anything Pliny wrote is hearsay.

You shouldn't use other's opnions on the historical "Proof" of Jesus, especially when they're wrong or inaccurate.

"I am a man of one Book"
Thomas Aquainus

Sounds like you, Mike.
Broaden your searches....you'll learn something.


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princemuncher northfield, Ohio USA
Speaking of promises....

Dude, what's the word on Gitmo?

Give a quick Google of "empty prisons in the United States" and take a look-see at the one in Montana and the Super-Max in Colorado.

(Seems they're both vieing for housing the Gitmo prisoners.)

So while the promise of closing Gitmo prison MAY happen, he's just going to be relocating them to other facilities.


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princemuncher northfield, Ohio USA
Obama has done nothing to deserve winning the NPP.

It's not a prize given on INTENT. (Well, apparently it is now)

Remember, the NPP became a joke when they gave it to Yasser Arifat.


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princemuncher northfield, Ohio USA
lookin4ubabe: You two would make a cute couple tho!!


Who, me and Obumma???


Once you go black..................



Kizzy, where's that G.I.L.F. Tina these days???


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princemuncher northfield, Ohio USA
kizzy27: Im gonna email him !!!
bad form i think


emailing me is not bad form......rolling on the floor laughing


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princemuncher northfield, Ohio USA
Don216: There is no way in hell he deserves the prize. Maybe he will eventually do something worthy of it, but until he does, he shouldn't get it.

Al Gore getting it was bad enough. Today's award has just devalued the whole thing even more.

Notice I didn't mention Carter - oops.


Don't forget Arafat.....

What a joke.


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princemuncher northfield, Ohio USA
kizzy27: By all means give the man a round of applause but how about he leave the award for someone who has actually done something !!!
Like the other bloke said next theyll be givin it to the miss worlds even if they cant juggle cats
Give it back Obama


Call me "Bloke" again, it makes me all twitchy in the pants.


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princemuncher northfield, Ohio USA
The international climate? How so? Because he talks alot?

I just found this quote....

Kristina Hernandez, CRC: "It was the Beer Summit that put Obama over the edge."


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princemuncher northfield, Ohio USA
Other Nominees not as worthy as Obama

•Chinese Human Rights Activist Hu Jia - imprisoned for campaigning for human rights in the PRC, not as worthy as Barack Hussein Obama.

•Wei Jingsheng, who spent 17 years in Chinese prisons for urging reforms of China's communist system. -- not as worthy as Barack Hussein Obama. (Not to mention the symbolic value of awarding a Chinese dissident on the 20th Anniversary of the Tianenmen Square Massacre.)

•Greg Mortenson, founder of the Central Asia Institute has built nearly 80 schools, especially for girls, in remote areas of northern Pakistan and Afghanistan over the past 15 years - not as worthy as Barack Hussein Obama.

•Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad, a philosophy professor in Jordan who risks his life by advocating interfaith dialogue between Jews and Muslims, also not as worthy as Barack Hussein Obama.

•Afghan human rights activist Sima Samar. She currently leads the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission and serves as the U.N. special envoy to Darfur and is apparently also not as worthy as Barack Hussein Obama.

the NPP has meant nothing since 1994 when it was awarded to Yasser Arafat for his endless persuit of Jew killing.


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princemuncher northfield, Ohio USA
kizzy27: I watched it I still feel that this particular award should not be about public relations ,
Having a uniting effect just isnt enough to earn this award .
He should give it back untill he does something concrete to earn it !


I agree. Since when does one get an award for INTENT?

If intent gains you a nobel piece prize, then every Miss America (or Miss Universe) should get a NPP since they all say "I just want world peace".....

Obama has done nothing to deserv the award, and many on the nomination list have done much.

How does someone involved in two wars get a prize for peace?

I did notice that he was nominated only a few days into his term, and that he has sucessfully delayed any answers on his strategy in Afganistan.

Seems a "peace" winner would have pulled troops out of a war, not prolong it.


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princemuncher northfield, Ohio USA
In response to: And Paul did talk to Jesus...

"But when God, who had set me apart {even} from my mother's womb and called me through His grace, to reveal His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with flesh and blood, nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went away to Arabia, and returned once more to Damascus." Galatians 1:15-17


This does not say that Paul and Jesus had any sort of conversation. You're stretching. All Christians call upon "Grace". Does that mean they all talked to Jesus?

In response to: Just read what Paul says about homosexuality in the first chapter of Romans. And Paul did talk to Jesus...


Paul is not Jesus. Please provide Jesus' words on the matter of Homosexuality.


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princemuncher northfield, Ohio USA
MikeHD: I would need to see a listing of your Jesus vs. Paul points of contention. I have read all of Paul's letters, and not found anything to lead me to believe he was acting on his own.


I'll start with one off the top of my head....

I hav to look through my notes....

Romans 5:18 (ESV)
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men


Jesus said he had to die for the sins of man. Daddy god said so.

Paul says it was righteousness, not death.

You can also go back to Deuteronomy where it says "Each man shall die for his OWN sin."

Jesus died for nothing. It wasn't required...


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princemuncher northfield, Ohio USA
RayfromUSA: It's good to have the psalms for personal edification, and the prophecies for validation of Jesus and for knowing what to expect in the endtime.

It's true that the prophecy will be fulfilled.
Most of it already has.


Psalms is full of imprecitory prayers. Not much of a personal edification.

Prophecies? Which prophecies, pray tell, have been fulfilled?

The Virgin Birth?

Naaaaa. The origional Hebrew text says "Almah" meaning "Young woman" And the Messiah shll be named Immanuel, not Jesus. And the whole prophecy is about King Azer. If you read a bit further in that particular psalm.

How about "they have pierced my hands and feet"

Naaaaa. The origional Hebrew says "The lions are at my hands and feet."

All the prophecies Matthew says were fulfilled (BTW matthew didn't really write Matthew), were just back fitting Jesus into prophecies that had already been fulfilled, or just plain misquoted verses to get the Jesus ball rolling.

Matthew screwed up.


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princemuncher northfield, Ohio USA
Ambrose2007: No, Prince, there's a verse in the OT that forbids one-testicular entry (if memory serves). It struck me as highly and unfairly discriminatory.


You mean THIS?

Deuteronomy 23:1 ESV

No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.



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