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Haha! Goose and gnome should kiss and make up.

Sure if we can agree that their placement in a courthouse along with other documents would be of a purely historical significance and not a religious one!!!!!!!!!

So begins the flip........

Would the fighters please return to their respective corner at the sound of the bell

So you got nothing......valiant effort though

In a thesis or any other report, all capitals refer to KEY WORDS. followed by an "!" is a shout.

No, I'm just too lazy to put bold letters any more....

still no quote?

Well we can comment because the concepts here are the same as in any democracy...I call myself a Canuck all the time...go for it!!!!!!

And quote the WHOLE post...There was a list. The The party wasn't the only thing on the list...

Funny thing, though catch me....

I never claim to write something that's not mine. I can cut and paste with the rest of them......

YOUR posts for the most part are word for word from

http://www.cyberessays.com/History/147.htm

But you did make a good effort at retyping them to make it look ike it was yours.

Because you can't......

That's REALLY grasping.

Where in your mind does debate start and stupidity end?

Win at any cost, even if it means acting like an impudent child? Pretty sad statement on your beliefs and the way you follow them.
At least show some self respect if not for others!

The Godless Constitution:

The word "God" does not appear within the text of the Constitution of the United States. After spending three-and-a-half months debating and negotiating about what should go into the document that would govern the land, the framers drafted a constitution that is secular. The U.S. Constitution is often confused with the Declaration of Independence, and it's important to understand the difference.

The Declaration of Independence is seen as that document that established the new nation of the United States. It was written by Thomas Jefferson in 1776. It was signed by the Continental Congress and sent to King George III of England. It is a very eloquent document that is celebrated every July 4, but it is not the law of the land. It is a statement of sentiments directed to King George III in reaction to unfair taxation. The U.S. Constitution was ratified on March 4, 1789 -- thirteen years after the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

The Declaration of Independence refers to "the Creator:"

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

The Declaration of Independence is not a legal document; it is not the U.S. Constitution. Foes of the principle of separation of church and state often refer to the word "Creator" in the Declaration of Independence as proof that the framers of the U.S. Constitution intended for the United States to be ruled by a soveriegn being. Nothing could be further from the truth. The United States Constitution was written and ratified by elected officials representing a coalition of Enlightenment rationalists and evangelical Christians who were deeply concerned about entanglements between religion and government.From Legacy Of Freedom by Rob Boston, Church and State, January, 2003. "Jefferson, Madison And The Nation's Founders Left Us Church-State Separation. Can We Keep It?"

What the Religious Right doesn't tell people, and what, tragically, many Amer­icans apparently don't know, is that when it comes to determining what the laws of the United States mean, the only document that matters is the Consti­tution. The Constitution, a completely secular document, contains no references to God, Jesus or Christianity. It says absolutely nothing about the United States being officially Christian. The Religious Right's constant appeals to documents like the Declaration of Independence, which contains a deistic reference to "the Creator," cloud the issue and make some people believe their rights spring from these other documents. The Godless Constitution was written by two professors of government and history at Cornell University. Isaac Kramnick and R. Laurence Moore have spent their careers studying religion in American life. Some quotes from their book:[/b]

The preamble of the Constitution invokes the people of the United States. It does not invoke any sort of God

The Constitution forbids any religious test to hold office. A godless person is just as eligible as a godly one! (Article 6, Paragraph 3)

At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, Benjamin Franklin strongly suggested on June 28 that the convention have prayers said there. Evangelists take this as proof that the convention then went on with prayers. But, in fact, the convention did not accept the suggestion, and the convention went on without prayers.

No silly.....symbols and rules are two different things, I'm afraid. Thor's hammer(gavel....stretch)

Actually your whole post is a pretty big stretch. Robes are used because the western Jurisprudence is based on ancient Roman courts.(HISTORICAL, not RELIGIOUS)

Commandment 1 reads "I am the lord your God, you shall have no other besides me."

I suppose to you that means "I am the lord your God, but you can ahve a bunch of other ones, just don't display them in a courtroom, where MY commandments are, because that's just wong because I'm the only god"

preposterous

Which is the point we've been trying to make since the beginning, but those who believe always turn a debate into "my way" or "highway" mentality.

So why not MY way?

Because THAT'S not religious freedom.

Do you think that if a judge put a sign up that said "There is no GOD." that there wouldn't be an uproar?

Or if the judge was a muslim and convicted defendants based on the fact that they ate Christman Ham and the koran forbids eating pork?

I like these threads....intellegent minds site facts.

Believers debate with opnion.

Don't remember that in even high school level dabates.

Shit, back then we were even civil enough to not call people names. Not the people in this thread who time and again poke their stick to try to piss off who ever they can because they have nothing else left to argue...

I didn't write this...I just re-posted it...apparently they look at them as a small portion in a historical sense....that's the reason they could have been posted with other historical documents....

I don't look at it that way....I look at it purely from a law perspective and not a religious perspective....Religion to me has no place in a court-room or court-house...it is to be totally unbiased and seen as supporting nobody one way or the other when it comes to religion...race...class of people etc...The Constitution represents the law of the land and there are NOT just Christians in the land...The very essence of The 1st Ammendment is seperation between Church and State for this very reason....If you read my 20 reasons for Church and State seperation...it backs up entirely what I am saying right now!!!!!!

By the way this is the way the law is in any democracy...including Canada....

still waiting for the quote.....

GNOME, I said that at the beginning.....

only a part...but the unfair tax laws were the real reason....DUH

So post a thread and expect no debate?

Rediculous.

Funny thing about you gnome, you push and push to try to make someone so irrate that you look good. Kinda the same strategy I used against bullies like you wen I was younger.

Example....bringing up Trish's personal background in a public forum to make her so mad that she might get belligerant. Doesn't work on me.Still waiting for the PHYSICAL quote where I changed my mind.......

I went all the way back to find what it was he said, and it looks to me like he took up from the tea party. and yes that was because the king was imposing his tax his rule over here.
But I had said we left england and religion was a big factor!
If we are going to disagree shouldnt we be in the same year and in the same country?