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wanderinggnome
Belle Fourche, South Dakota USA
Posted: Nov 24, 2007, 10:21 PM CST
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pearly gates huh. listen, if i have to believe in Jesus for him to accept me into heaven then i want nothing to do with god. Any god who cant accept me for merely being a good person can flip off. Do you think Ghandi, one of the most peaceful progressives of our time deserves to be in hell? the entire system is flawed, why belief, why not just upstanding morality. the only thing belief systems do well is instill ignorance
Why is it so hard to do a simple thing like believe In Jesus? Seems pretty simple to me, especially since there seems to be Archiological evidence to support his existance.

If God is to judge you, exactly what criteria do you propose?



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wanderinggnome
Belle Fourche, South Dakota USA
Posted: Nov 24, 2007, 10:17 PM CST
reminds me of the joke about the guy who figures it is better to believe and die into nothinness, than spend your life espousing the lack of an afterlife and arrive without your luggage.


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wanderinggnome
Belle Fourche, South Dakota USA
Posted: Nov 24, 2007, 10:15 PM CST
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wanderinggnome
Belle Fourche, South Dakota USA
Posted: Nov 24, 2007, 10:14 PM CST
You acknowledge emotions as a fact, correct?

If emotions exist, yet defy scientific definition, then cannot God exist, without 'scientific' proof?

I do not recall seeing a criteria for fact. I have seen a host of philosohers quoted, opinions expressed etc, but nothing that would really bear scientific scrutiny.

At the same time I have NOt scene Bible verses, and have read that the Bible cannot be used as proof, as it is a book, which left out in the rain will fade away.
That IS a fact, verifiable by scientific verification. Also Verifiable is the fact that the bible can be memorized, and copied from memory. See "One Day In The Life Of Ivan Denisovitch"

To ignore the existance of a fact does not make the fact go away.


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wanderinggnome
Belle Fourche, South Dakota USA
Posted: Nov 24, 2007, 9:54 PM CST
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wanderinggnome
Belle Fourche, South Dakota USA
Posted: Nov 24, 2007, 9:51 PM CST
Since some want to keep everything scientific......... Isn't it already tomorrow there?
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wanderinggnome
Belle Fourche, South Dakota USA
Posted: Nov 24, 2007, 9:47 PM CST
I'll wait for you to catch up.laugh

Just gathering information.



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wanderinggnome
Belle Fourche, South Dakota USA
Posted: Nov 24, 2007, 9:40 PM CST
What language do you propose?

Are emotions not a fact of our life?

Since they are I maintain it is the scientist who is failing to acknowledge a fact, since I acknowledge scientific facts such as gravity, and electromagnetic force
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wanderinggnome
Belle Fourche, South Dakota USA
Posted: Nov 24, 2007, 8:36 PM CST
Is the debate whewther or not God can be quantified,
measured, and put in a box? The answer is no. Does
this prove or disprove his existance? No. Mankind has
the gift (or curse) of Reason. With it we can discover
many marvels. We also can realize there are
circumstances where reason holds no sway.

We can apply reason to mathmatics, physics, building a
house or harnessing the wind.
But can reason write a poem, sing a song, or entertain
a newborn baby? These are things of the soul, and of
love. Can love be quantified, measured, put in a box
or explained? Yet everyone on this site is looking for
it. How will you know when it is found? Do you have
some device that will indicate to you as you near it?
If so I'd like to know how you measure it.

we can read a variety of books, ancient and modern,
scripture and philosophy, but in the end we must trust
something intangible: our feelings, our heart, or God
to tell us.

I remember as a young man reading philosophers and
thinkiong that I might bend the universe to my will.
#0 years later I must admit that while the mental
gymnastics were good exercise, the universe has not
bent to my will, I conform to the universe.

I see that an argument against the existance of God
is that there are tragedies in the world. Children
starving, innocents killed in the name of God,
Dictators enslaving thier subjects. I do not lay these
events at the feet of God. I contend that they are the
work of MAN, generally an individual or group using
Reason to attempt to make themselves godlike, this
does not mean they ARE God.
Yes, there is great evil in the world. Most of it can
be traced to a manmade cause. But can a sunrise,
spring shower, snowflake or childrens laughter be
assigned a manmade cause? We may explain them with our
science and reason, but can we explain as easily why
they touch our soul?

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