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I asked you to address these aspects here, on this thread. You gave vague answers stating you already have. You do not address them and that is exactly where your answer lies. Truth will be found if you search for it where I told you. You omit the very place where the treasure is hidden, WITHIN. You do not really want to know.

I have already offered to you not only what I believe, but what I know to be true. You have refused to examine it by your own experience. Your heart is hard and you think with your mind, not your heart. I have nothing more to say to you on this. My answer is on the previous pages of your thread. You are wasting my time. Though having ears, you do not hear.

Be careful crot, you are setting yourself up for the plan of the elite. They will set up a god who does many miracles, fooling even the elite. He is a false god!

It must be heart felt, a change taking place INSIDE you, or it is not the real thing.

I did pray yesterday that you would have a Damascus road experience, as Saul did and that God would draw you unto himself.

This made me think of a possible other thread. How does one come to Faith? Is it by the heart only, or is it the mind and heart? Then again, there is the spiritual element. All those who come to Christ must be drawn by the Father.

Coming to the Faith by the mind (by hearing) only would seem inconclusive, as people arrive to different conclusions based on information they processed and believed to be true.

I would find it frustrating to be told that I did not have Faith because God had to give it to me. I would wonder why He had given it to others and not me.

I don't believe people convert people though; they generally just argue and go back to their respective positions. It is God that brings it all together, at least that is the stance of most believers. Nonbelievers of course do not believe in God so we are back to square one.

One thing is Croat is getting some prayers from this, even though he thinks they will be useless. I thought it was an interesting idea for a thread just to show that it is highly difficult to convert each other based on argument alone. There are just too many things brought to the table.

People that are sure where they stand don't have to proselytize 24/7 as the Christians are wont to do!

The heart is a muscle whilst this muscle is unique in the body (cardiac muscle) it is nothing more than a muscle .





Actually the “Great prayer experiment” run by an funded by a religious group back fired and if you go by the results prove prayer to be detrimental


Correction there are too few things

You can only Think with your Mind,because your Emotions are ill equipped to think.
They only tell you that something is,but can't tell you the nature of it!

Perhaps because they believe in the Great Commission - that they were called to let everyone know about Christ. I don't do this unless someone asks me a question or indicates they want to talk about it. Even then it would depend on several factors.

I know how annoying it can be when people go about it the wrong way.

The heart is also the center of emotion when used in another sense. I wasn't referring to the physical heart muscle.

As to being sure there are no results to prayer, I wouldn't be so sure. I don't find that experiment to be defining because there are also many very credible instances of prayer being answered. You will say they were deceived, and round and round it goes.

Have a good one!

Nope it only has the one function





Well duh , the point i was making is that all thaught happens within the brain ,


Not exactly deceived , but it is a psychological reason for some prayers working

this has nothing to do with religion, crotalus......read the book, "many lives, many masters" by dr. brian weiss.......check it out.....

Crottie, my friend, I have no desire to convert you. You either feel it or you don't, and you don't. And I accept you for who you are, my friend.

So, that said, I just popped in to say hi 'cuz I don't see you on much anymore.

You're IRISH, for Christ's sake...! Now you get straight to that confession booth and beg the priest for forgiveness for being an athiest...Only, make sure he hasn't got a choir boy in there with him at the time!

WELL..

Join my new religion: "Mercurialism"

Send me just ONE US dollar per annum.

I shall then give you many blessings.

If, after one year, you are not totally satisfied I shall refund you your dollar in full.

I can't be fairer than that, can I?



(now - with just another 999,999 suckers I'll have 1,000,000 USD and if I invest at an average return of 'x' % will give me an income of........ 'Mmmm' - yum! yum!)

The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster has a beer volcano and a stripper factory. If that isn't incentive enough to join, they have found a direct corelation in the decline of piracy and the incline of global warming and are therefore collecting money to build a pirate ship to end global warming. If you don't believe me, Google it sometime. Now, doesn't that sound way funner than getting hit by nuns with rulers or handling poison snakes in a shack in the deep south?

The world is FLAT, (but I'll take the LAT. and LONG. of the beer volcano.)

Your heart muscle is triggered by a electrical pulse, Crotalus.

A very slight one. But it is what keep your heart beating.

Now for a moment...consider a God of the Universe....that knows exactly how many pulses that heart will take in its lifetime.
Also consider that God is love.....and he is energy.....both are scriptural....by the way.

Who formed the heart? A loving God. Who placed a electrical charge to start it beating? A loving God. Who knows when that heart will beat its last pulse? A loving God.

God is also a divine everlasting spirit. When we try to understand him in our physical naturals that are dieing and fading.....corrupting in this world....it is hard to do. We have to see ourselves as spiritual.

It is now this spiritual relationship.....that we have to desire more than even the next life giving pulse of our heart in this mortal body.

CSer cannot convert you, Crotalus....none that post here are prefect or have all the answers. So a coversion by man, is
about as valueable as a cheap car wash. But God can transform
a unrighteous man to a man filled with a Holy Spirit.

Some last points, Crotalus...it is good that you ask such deep questions. That 'Holy'....simply means 'fair'. When we ask this kind of question on conversion....we begin to understand we are unrighteous (sinners) and that God is Holy (fair) and Just. But most of all he is loving and patient. That Jesus Christ is a risen Savior, sitting in Heaven on God's right hand. That he is our 'great interceder' from God's just wrath for our sins (failings).

Once you have your heart beating in the vine in the fruits of the Holy Spirit...your mind set on the things of God......expect him to do great things. God has always astounded me. I pray he astounds you.

I think CS needs to have a special section for young men who feel they have all the answers to post their wisdom so as to enlighten us old dogs.

It could be a subsection of the humor section.


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