Abortion

Dmire kingston, Kingston Jamaica
vonney: Hi Dru



This is certainly a subject that can get heated and I have no wish to cause any sort of bad feeling but I would like to ask you about your post. If life begins at conception (and I feel it does) doesnt that make abortion murder regardless of the reasons behind it?


I think it's is a controversial topic.The teaching of the Roman catholic church world wide is one.ABORTION IS KILLING A CHILD, REGARDLESS THE SITUATION IN WHICH THE PREGNANCY WAS CONCEIVED.
For example..On march 9th, 2009.It was reported in a catholic news service that in Brazil, a girl , 9yr old conceived twins from her step father.Her mother who was a catholic faithful sought an abortion from i guess catholic doctors who conducted an abortion.
The church with support from Rome, ex communacated the mother of the said girl and also the doctors
gozoman2 Xaghra, Gozo Malta
Have been mulling this topic over for decades....and as yet have not come to a decision as to whether I would approve abortion being legal in my country....to date it is not.

First off.....if it was my child that was in question I would certainly not approve....even though I have stood by my decision not to have kids of my own....but if that scenario had to appear unexpectedly, no, I would not approve of aborting it, and would do my utmost to support and keep the child once born...it would my own blood on my hands.....

HOWEVER.....did meet with situations of close friends of mine, female of course, who were faced with that situation....various of them......

...most decided to go ahead with the pregnancy and grow the child, even as a single parent......others did not....and although locally it is illegal, but a lot of other countries in close proximity around us offer the service in their hospitals....so....

I believe in the right of the individual to decide what to do on the matter....what is the point of staying pregnant if this is going to end up with a disastrous life for the girl in question and possibly a lousy deal for the child once born?

Children should be had when wanted, otherwise there is no point in bringing them in the world to make their life an yours miserable...

So ultimately....I abstain from taking a stand....and would do so even if the subject has to come up for referendum locally.


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druidess6308 Reverse, Pennsylvania USA
moonlightstar: I know honey....discuss by all means, it just a delicate subject, so I give comment on what I can and then stand back and read....But it´s ok...its interesting how people think about this...

But how are you Dru....all well I hope.


Yes, Moonlight, I'm well, thank you. I hope you are, too. wave hug
trish123 Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
Ive never had to make this choice thankfully but I am full of compassion for those women I know who have had to - they are the ones that have to live with it - not you lot..........
druidess6308 Reverse, Pennsylvania USA
Dmire: I think it's is a controversial topic.The teaching of the Roman catholic church world wide is one.ABORTION IS KILLING A CHILD, REGARDLESS THE SITUATION IN WHICH THE PREGNANCY WAS CONCEIVED.
For example..On march 9th, 2009.It was reported in a catholic news service that in Brazil, a girl , 9yr old conceived twins from her step father.Her mother who was a catholic faithful sought an abortion from i guess catholic doctors who conducted an abortion.
The church with support from Rome, ex communacated the mother of the said girl and also the doctors


All that I can say is I agree with the girl's mother in this...9 years old is way to young to be forced to have a children, especially when it's as a result of such molestation. I hope the mother also divorced the man who did this to her daughter. If it were me, he'd be lucky if divorce him is all I did to him, besides sending him to jail. very mad



vonney Dublin, Dublin Ireland
druidess6308: Yes, it does. And yet, I believe there are good reasons for it, Vonney, and stand behind a woman's choice to do so. I do understand why others are against it, and I hold all of life sacred, and yet I can still say that if any of my rapes had resulted in conceiving a child, I would most likely have aborted it myself rather than carry that reminder to fruition for nine months. If that makes me a hypocrite in some people's eyes, so be it. I'll also take the life of anyone who threatens mine. That would also make me a murderer, but I believe it would be justified in such a case.



All fair comment Dru, I really was just wondering what your thoughts were. And I am glad to see a discussion on the matter as opposed to a row.
trish123 Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
vonney: All fair comment Dru, I really was just wondering what your thoughts were. And I am glad to see a discussion on the matter as opposed to a row.


Sorry Vonney but I just saw masses of judgmentalism by people who have never actually had to make this heartbreaking decision dunno



moonlightstar paris, Provence-Alpes-Cote dAzur France
druidess6308: Yes, Moonlight, I'm well, thank you. I hope you are, too.

I am well thank you....moveing on.teddybear



vonney Dublin, Dublin Ireland
druidess6308: All that I can say is I agree with the girl's mother in this...9 years old is way to young to be forced to have a children, especially when it's as a result of such molestation. I hope the mother also divorced the man who did this to her daughter. If it were me, he'd be lucky if divorce him is all I did to him, besides sending him to jail.


what a nightmare situation to be in, do you put your child through the difficulties of carrying a baby and giving birth or the trauma of killing the baby.



vonney Dublin, Dublin Ireland
trish123: Sorry Vonney but I just saw masses of judgmentalism by people who have never actually had to make this heartbreaking decision



Did you Trish?

I didnt see that, to be honest anytime the subject has come up before I have found it is the people who are against abortion who get jumped on and attacked for their opinions.



moonlightstar paris, Provence-Alpes-Cote dAzur France
trish123: Sorry Vonney but I just saw masses of judgmentalism by people who have never actually had to make this heartbreaking decision



You dont know that....some may have.bouquet
trish123 Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
ooby_dooby: It's not like this thread has some vague title to lure people in who may be very sensitive to the topic, therefore, I think it's perfectly ok as a forum topic.

I am absolutely pro-choice because I very nearly lost my one and only big sister to a self inflicted injury while attempting to induce a miscarriage with a knitting needle. She nearly bled to death. Her death would also have left her other 5 children motherless. There are reasons women resort to this tough decision and they are not all selfish reasons of convenience. Judge not lest YOU be judged!

As far as when life begins. Life does not begin at birth, the 3rd month OR at conception! To believe that, you must also believe that a womans egg is not alive nor a mans sperm! Furthermore, a woman has about 400 eggs at birth. If the church was so concerned about the sanctity of human life (imo the scourge of this once paradise planet) they should advocate harvesting every egg a woman has and preserve it in liquid Nitrogen. Don't even ask about sperm.


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Dmire kingston, Kingston Jamaica
I'm just thinking.... supposing my mother aborted me, would i be here?So is the catholic church right when it teaches abortion is killing an innocent child?
druidess6308 Reverse, Pennsylvania USA
vonney: what a nightmare situation to be in, do you put your child through the difficulties of carrying a baby and giving birth or the trauma of killing the baby.


Agreed, that would be a nightmare, on top of the trauma of the molestation by a man she should have been able to trust. That's why I said he'd be lucky if sending him to jail and divorcing him were all that I did to him. very mad Life is sacred, but scum is not. (OK, sorry...I know he's still a human life, and still sacred sigh, but it would be hard to keep that in mind if I were in the position of that mother. I'm still human, after all...and a mother.)



vonney Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Dmire: I'm just thinking.... supposing my mother aborted me, would i be here?So is the catholic church right when it teaches abortion is killing an innocent child?


Sorry but thats a silly statement, of course you wouldnt be here if she had aborted you.
gozoman2 Xaghra, Gozo Malta
Dmire: I'm just thinking.... supposing my mother aborted me, would i be here?So is the catholic church right when it teaches abortion is killing an innocent child?


This subject goes way beyond any teachings of any church....

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vonney Dublin, Dublin Ireland
druidess6308: Agreed, that would be a nightmare, on top of the trauma of the molestation by a man she should have been able to trust. That's why I said he'd be lucky if sending him to jail and divorcing him were all that I did to him. Life is sacred, but scum is not. (OK, sorry...I know he's still a human life, and still sacred , but it would be hard to keep that in mind if I were in the position of that mother. I'm still human, after all...and a mother.)




Oh believe me I know. Wouldnt know where to begin if someone did to any of mine what was done to mevery mad

Then again we are talking about an adult who knew what he was doing not an innocent life.
druidess6308 Reverse, Pennsylvania USA
vonney: All fair comment Dru, I really was just wondering what your thoughts were. And I am glad to see a discussion on the matter as opposed to a row.


That's okay, Vonney...I was very willing to answer your question. It was a fair one. The world is never black and white to me, but holds shades of grey, and I'm willing to discuss my views on any subject. I do realize that sometimes they seem to conflict with my core values, but that's what shades of grey are about, and why I acknowledged that some could see me as hypocritical for it as well. wine

I'll also add one thing to my comment about aborting a child if it had been a result of any of my rapes. Those happened when I was 16-20, and I was young. If I were raped now and it resulted in a pregnancy, I might not abort it, but either keep it and love it, or give it up for adoption. Why? I'm older now and can handle more emotionally than I could when I was younger. (A hypothetical situation, since I can't get pregnant now, and I pity the man who would try to rape me now, but the thought occurred, and I wanted to address it.)
Dmire kingston, Kingston Jamaica
vonney: Sorry but thats a silly statement, of course you wouldnt be here if she had aborted you.


Forgive me for my 'silly' thinking.But then my question is ,is the catholic church right?
druidess6308 Reverse, Pennsylvania USA
vonney: Did you Trish?

I didnt see that, to be honest anytime the subject has come up before I have found it is the people who are against abortion who get jumped on and attacked for their opinions.


And that shouldn't happen, since we're all entitled to our opinions, and we're all individuals. I respect everyone's right to their opinion...I don't have to agree with everyone to get along with them. That's the one thing that never ceases to irk me...those who don't tolerate others with differing views, whether in their own threads or other threads. It's supposed to be an open discussion, not "I'm right and you're wrong, and you should agree with me because..."frustrated




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