Nazi SS officers sentenced to life for Second World War massacre

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rizlared ., Shanghai China

Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:07 AM CST : Nazi SS officers sentenced to life for Second World War massacre in Italy

Nine former members of the Nazi SS were sentenced to life in prison for a series of massacres during the Second World War by an Italian court, according to news reports.

Published: 12:30AM BST 27 Jun 2009 The Daily Telegraph UK edition
The court also ordered Germany to pay damages to some of the families of the hundreds of victims, the ANSA news agency reported.
The nine suspects, aged between 84 and 90 were tried in absentia and found guilty of the murders of more than 350 civilians in the summer of 1944.

A tenth defendant was acquitted and another died during the trial, the agency said.
The victims, including many women and children, were rounded up by Nazi troops ostensibly on the hunt for partisans and shot in separate killings that occurred in the area around the Tuscan town of Fivizzano in August, 1944.
Germany will have to pay damages to some fifty families of the victims, ANSA said. The total amount will be fixed later, though the court ruled an initial €1.25 million (£1 million) should be paid immediately, the agency reported.
Italian law allows victims and their relatives to attach civil lawsuits to criminal cases to obtain damages. It is not the first time a court has ordered Germany to pay compensation for Nazi massacres and for the thousands of Italians sent to Nazi Germany as slave labourers during the war.
In some cases, judges have suggested that, if the government refuses to pay, German assets in Italy could be auctioned off.
The compensation suits have become a sensitive issue in Italian-German relations.
Germany has refused to pay, arguing that, under international law, claims by individuals cannot be used to pursue compensation from nations and that Germany has already paid reparations for Nazi crimes under international treaties with Italy.
German has also taken the matter to the International Court of Justice in The Hague, Netherlands.

Surely the can be no excuse for not paying those who still remain as victims of that regime.

ladyfingers clovis, New Mexico USA

Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:39 AM CST : Nazi SS officers sentenced to life for Second World War massacre in Italy

I know that I am going to get a lot of flack on this but here goes.
I wouldn't want to profit from what happened to my relatives or ancestors.

Can you imagine what it would be like if that every country who has 'warred' with another had to pay 'damages'. Hardly any would be exempt.

I understand that my family had lost money to the crown when they left England. My aunt was always trying to research it. Ha!

In October 1940 Italy opened an unprovoked attack on Greece. So, should I sue if some of my relatives were killed?

Sorry...this is how I feel.

rizlared ., Shanghai China

Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:16 AM CST : Nazi SS officers sentenced to life for Second World War massacre in Italy

ladyfingers: I know that I am going to get a lot of flack on this but here goes.
I wouldn't want to profit from what happened to my relatives or ancestors.

Can you imagine what it would be like if that every country who has 'warred' with another had to pay 'damages'. Hardly any would be exempt.

I understand that my family had lost money to the crown when they left England. My aunt was always trying to research it. Ha!

In October 1940 Italy opened an unprovoked attack on Greece. So, should I sue if some of my relatives were killed?

Sorry...this is how I feel.

Valid points, and to a greater degree I agree with you, but my way of thinking is that maybe Germany, rather than dismiss this out of hand, should make amends by returning those historic artefacts that were removed during those years and are now still in vaults in Switzerland, I am sure that those Italian survivors would be only too happy to have their national treasures returned.

Sometimes it’s right to sweep the crumbs of history under the carpet and move on, but sometimes it’s also right to return the carpet to its rightful owner, even if that means the crumbs are back in the open again.

WASP7 guelph, Ontario Canada

Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:24 AM CST : Nazi SS officers sentenced to life for Second World War massacre in Italy

ladyfingers: I know that I am going to get a lot of flack on this but here goes.
I wouldn't want to profit from what happened to my relatives or ancestors.

Can you imagine what it would be like if that every country who has 'warred' with another had to pay 'damages'. Hardly any would be exempt.

I understand that my family had lost money to the crown when they left England. My aunt was always trying to research it. Ha!

In October 1940 Italy opened an unprovoked attack on Greece. So, should I sue if some of my relatives were killed?

Sorry...this is how I feel.

Thank you well said Both my parents come from Austria and i have never felt so bad when i heard people call them names and me too and i was born in Canada...And in war people die and my dad was 3years old when his dad died in world war two in Russia and people have the balls to say well serve him right he was one of Hitler's men ...truth be told he was a shoe maker with 3 kids and a wife he was sent to war and paid a big price...my Oma never had a man again and was 33years old when he died she just died a few years ago at 91 and i spent time with her the year befor she past and she told me she was happy that she new soon that she would be with him again ...So just because where you come from and your goverment fights wars or starts war's doesn't mean you agree with them ....but sometimes you pay the price for politics that suck and only leave the good people in pain on both sides....

Lagoona22 Bugibba, Majjistral Malta

Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:32 AM CST : Nazi SS officers sentenced to life for Second World War massacre in Italy

Well, why don't the american indians sue the pants off the US goverment??....for that matter, why don't the Bushman Koi-San sue the South African people with genocide and theft of all of their tribal lands?...hey, why don't we west europeans sue Genghis Kahn??...Why don't the Maltese sue the Turks for the siege of 1565?...I'm on a roll here....hey!...why don't we all sue the Petroleum Companies for Global warming??...yihaaaa!!!

Big_John Ocean Springs, Mississippi USA

Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:44 AM CST : Nazi SS officers sentenced to life for Second World War massacre in Italy

I do not support having one generation pay for another generation's faults.

I clearly believe in holding those guilty of crimes and having them pay for what each did. I wish the laws would change that limit the time frame that allow a 'bad person' to get away with their crime on time alone.

mexikanska Cancún, Quintana Roo Mexico

Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:48 AM CST : Nazi SS officers sentenced to life for Second World War massacre in Italy

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I dont want to talk....

Laura25 Somewhere, New York USA

Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:52 AM CST : Nazi SS officers sentenced to life for Second World War massacre in Italy

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I dont want to talk....

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USThumper Central Square, New York USA

Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:54 AM CST : Nazi SS officers sentenced to life for Second World War massacre in Italy

The Germany of today is not Hitlers regieme. They can sue Hitler all they want, but the germans of today had nothing to do with it. It would be like trying to sue me because My great grandfather killed a whit setteler. Dumb

ladyfingers clovis, New Mexico USA

Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:25 PM CST : Nazi SS officers sentenced to life for Second World War massacre in Italy

rizlared: Valid points, and to a greater degree I agree with you, but my way of thinking is that maybe Germany, rather than dismiss this out of hand, should make amends by returning those historic artefacts that were removed during those years and are now still in vaults in Switzerland, I am sure that those Italian survivors would be only too happy to have their national treasures returned.

Sometimes it’s right to sweep the crumbs of history under the carpet and move on, but sometimes it’s also right to return the carpet to its rightful owner, even if that means the crumbs are back in the open again.

Artifacts I agree with...money no.

rizlared ., Shanghai China

Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:43 PM CST : Nazi SS officers sentenced to life for Second World War massacre in Italy

ladyfingers: Artifacts I agree with...money no.

Thats my point, those historic artefacts are lying mouldering away in vaults in Swiss banks when with some political persuasion from the German politicians they could be released for the whole world to appreciate.
I am not suggesting that every living German should be taxed to repay an old debt.

rizlared ., Shanghai China

Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:46 PM CST : Nazi SS officers sentenced to life for Second World War massacre in Italy

WASP7: Thank you well said Both my parents come from Austria and i have never felt so bad when i heard people call them names and me too and i was born in Canada...And in war people die and my dad was 3years old when his dad died in world war two in Russia and people have the balls to say well serve him right he was one of Hitler's men ...truth be told he was a shoe maker with 3 kids and a wife he was sent to war and paid a big price...my Oma never had a man again and was 33years old when he died she just died a few years ago at 91 and i spent time with her the year befor she past and she told me she was happy that she new soon that she would be with him again ...So just because where you come from and your goverment fights wars or starts war's doesn't mean you agree with them ....but sometimes you pay the price for politics that suck and only leave the good people in pain on both sides....

Not sure where you heard verbal abuse, but Austria was never, to my knowledge, a willing participant, I always thought everyone was told that

WASP7 guelph, Ontario Canada

Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:49 PM CST : Nazi SS officers sentenced to life for Second World War massacre in Italy

rizlared: Not sure where you heard verbal abuse, but Austria was never, to my knowledge, a willing participant, I always thought everyone was told that

No lots in Canada don't know that they think we are all from the same blood line...plus the real dumb ones think because he was born in Austria that we share the same views that he had...people need to be

taught better in school....so no not everybody knows that .....

Conrad73 Lonesome Town Zurich, Zrich Switzerland

Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:24 PM CST : Nazi SS officers sentenced to life for Second World War massacre in Italy

Scan down to the last Paragraph of the article.
That might explain why it is possible to sue Germany (BRD)for Misdeeds of the Third Reich!

http://gh.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/pdf_extract/19/3/479

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