Harassment, war and Tsu-Namis art of debating

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Fallingman Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Sommerauer71: I know you did post it to him, he's watching the Simpsons, where he gets all those craxy ideas from...

I don't disagree with you at all.

As for my words about 'nice' You are nice, but in a nice way.

Nice as in a way, that they are nice, but usually to be found in the threads being nice, yet stating that the whole thread is wrong, but bumping it to the top in being nice so that other people respond and then they can come back and be nice... No person in particular, it was just a lazy observation that I see occassionally.

And not you, hell you're nice, but really damn nice and I like that.


I shall have to revise my opinion upwards...anyone who gets their best ideas from the Simpsons can't be all bad! laugh



Sommerauer71 Salzburg, Salzburg Austria
Fallingman: I shall have to revise my opinion upwards...anyone who gets their best ideas from the Simpsons can't be all bad!
It is crazy stuff, but well written.

So he is happily watching that, while I go pick his underpants and socks from the bathroom floor and cook something to eat.
Fallingman Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Sommerauer71: It is crazy stuff, but well written.

So he is happily watching that, while I go pick his underpants and socks from the bathroom floor and cook something to eat.
Isn't it great to be a man!!! rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing



Sommerauer71 Salzburg, Salzburg Austria
Fallingman: Isn't it great to be a man!!!
I'd not like to be a man, all that hair and dark underwear.
Big_John Ocean Springs, Mississippi USA
I am not a debater and not good at it. I also do not enjoy the art of debating. I do have opinions and will impose and inflict my thoughts on the CS readers.

I love to read the postings from the debaters.

I am a nice person in my personal nature. So I find it difficult to enter into debates because I find them quickly change into personal attacks. Many people who enter Threads post totally insane thoughts and expect the rest of us to accept them as facts.

I am here on CS to find a person to be with the rest of my life. Entering into a debate with her is not my style. I know this is many people's style and that is okay and good. We are each different and I love our differences.
rizlared Pisa, Tuscany Italy
Fallingman: In fairness I don't think it is the FACT of your defending Sommer (which is admirable) that is questioned....just occasionally the tone. However, I have no view on this, personally.



Can I assume this is a disclaimer?? If not I may need some treaty to that effect.
Fallingman Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Sommerauer71: I'd not like to be a man, all that hair and dark underwear.


both are optional! laugh
Fallingman Dublin, Dublin Ireland
rizlared: Can I assume this is a disclaimer?? If not I may need some treaty to that effect.


This was definitely a disclaimer! Anywaym, Julius Caesar always said never to have treaties with the Pisans.
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mbcasey North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA
There is a huge back channel here at CS.

It's a shame when a good debatable topic is used to throw tidbits of back channel info and innuendo from some members when they get angry at a certain post.

Leaving the rumors and gossip at the door when you enter the forums is a suggestion....teddybear
Fallingman Dublin, Dublin Ireland
mbcasey: There is a huge back channel here at CS.

It's a shame when a good debatable topic is used to throw tidbits of back channel info and innuendo from some members when they get angry at a certain post.

Leaving the rumors and gossip at the door when you enter the forums is a suggestion....


Absolutely.....or else copy all emails to me please so that I can keep informed! professor
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mbcasey North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA
Fallingman: Absolutely.....or else copy all emails to me please so that I can keep informed!
laugh rolling on the floor laughing

Do you really want to be in the loop?laugh handshake
rizlared Pisa, Tuscany Italy
Fallingman: This was definitely a disclaimer! Anywaym, Julius Caesar always said never to have treaties with the Pisans.


Yer because they lean one way or the otherroll eyes
Fallingman Dublin, Dublin Ireland
mbcasey: Do you really want to be in the loop?


It makes you well informed.....if a bit loopy! laugh handshake
jlb684 Athens, Attica Greece
Big_John: I am not a debater and not good at it. I also do not enjoy the art of debating. I do have opinions and will impose and inflict my thoughts on the CS readers.

I love to read the postings from the debaters.

I am a nice person in my personal nature. So I find it difficult to enter into debates because I find them quickly change into personal attacks. Many people who enter Threads post totally insane thoughts and expect the rest of us to accept them as facts.

I am here on CS to find a person to be with the rest of my life. Entering into a debate with her is not my style. I know this is many people's style and that is okay and good. We are each different and I love our differences.


I admire your gentle, honest manner. "I am here on CS to find a person to be with the rest of my life." Refreshing candor, as many seem to deny that most basic truth. Why else would someone find a site called Connecting Singles? True, many have found what they want and are here now only for the forums, but isn't finding someone what brought them here to begin with?

I, too, hope to someday find a man to spend the rest of my life with, although my hopes aren't very high. But this is my desire. In the meantime, as for the forums, I am perfectly happy to have an honest and open debate about certain topics with intelligent people who present interesting viewpoints. I enjoy such debates. But I seldom find true debates here. There is a great difference between debating and either attacking or insulting others. Debating is an art form, in a way...an art with words and expression. Insults and name-calling bear no resemblance to true debate.

Like you, John, I am by nature a nice person. This site won't change that about me. At most, it will remind me that there are many different personalities here, some of whom I thoroughly enjoy and respect, others whom I ignore. I'll post on some topics, avoid others. Works for me.
Big_John Ocean Springs, Mississippi USA
jlb684: I admire your gentle, honest manner. "I am here on CS to find a person to be with the rest of my life." Refreshing candor, as many seem to deny that most basic truth. Why else would someone find a site called Connecting Singles? True, many have found what they want and are here now only for the forums, but isn't finding someone what brought them here to begin with?

I, too, hope to someday find a man to spend the rest of my life with, although my hopes aren't very high. But this is my desire. In the meantime, as for the forums, I am perfectly happy to have an honest and open debate about certain topics with intelligent people who present interesting viewpoints. I enjoy such debates. But I seldom find true debates here. There is a great difference between debating and either attacking or insulting others. Debating is an art form, in a way...an art with words and expression. Insults and name-calling bear no resemblance to true debate.

Like you, John, I am by nature a nice person. This site won't change that about me. At most, it will remind me that there are many different personalities here, some of whom I thoroughly enjoy and respect, others whom I ignore. I'll post on some topics, avoid others. Works for me.


Thanks for your nice compliments. I find this an example of how I am not a debater and do not know what to say. We seem to be in totally agreement on our approach to CS and the Threads. I agree that you seem to be 'like me' a nice person. I wish you well and hope you find that guy.



CaptainBeirutIII London, Inner London, England UK
jlb684: There is a great difference between debating and either attacking or insulting others. Debating is an art form, in a way...an art with words and expression. Insults and name-calling bear no resemblance to true debate.


True, but every once in a while, something comes along where there is no room for debate, because the other is not interested in a debate, and you simply wish to tell them how crazy their stance is, and you can not put it mildly, only get through with a well poked phrase.

To give an example, I've seen more than once on here how a few of the lads of Islamic background have been treated like shite at times, like they're not people with decent and humane views. There was one who was told to "get to his own forums" because this was for the western, an Islamic man who had said noting terrible.

How do you comment on that, being a by-stander?

Well, either you don't at all, you ignore it and call it whatever nice you wish. You can call it “avoid a brawl”, or “you staying out of trouble”, or you can call it “not making things worse”. That all sounds OK at first glance, but shag me with the book of principles if I feel OK doing it that way.
If someone says something racist about another, that someone being in my company, if I hear it once, twice, if it carries on, I will step up and say to them that if hey do not shut their gob with their racist remarks I sure as hell do not want to have them near.

If someone tries to tell someone on a forum they do not belong, because they’re ethnically in minority, well, I can either shut up or say that: “I’d rather have him here than people like you”

That might seem attacking, but I’d rather be attacking then, than be stood there pretending like it’s raining.

And see, as much as I come across attacking, I feel that there’s too many times people don’t raise a voice. It mirrors society.

Most people are like that. Rather than step out that door and help protect your neighbour when yet again that gang passes by and throws bricks through his window, instead it’s being stood in the dark, slightly moving the curtain to the side to get a glance of the attack, while whispering to the rest gathered behind in the dark to go back to bed.
jlb684 Athens, Attica Greece
CaptainBeirutIII: True, but every once in a while, something comes along where there is no room for debate, because the other is not interested in a debate, and you simply wish to tell them how crazy their stance is, and you can not put it mildly, only get through with a well poked phrase.

To give an example, I've seen more than once on here how a few of the lads of Islamic background have been treated like shite at times, like they're not people with decent and humane views. There was one who was told to "get to his own forums" because this was for the western, an Islamic man who had said noting terrible.

How do you comment on that, being a by-stander?

Well, either you don't at all, you ignore it and call it whatever nice you wish. You can call it “avoid a brawl”, or “you staying out of trouble”, or you can call it “not making things worse”. That all sounds OK at first glance, but shag me with the book of principles if I feel OK doing it that way.
If someone says something racist about another, that someone being in my company, if I hear it once, twice, if it carries on, I will step up and say to them that if hey do not shut their gob with their racist remarks I sure as hell do not want to have them near.

If someone tries to tell someone on a forum they do not belong, because they’re ethnically in minority, well, I can either shut up or say that: “I’d rather have him here than people like you”

That might seem attacking, but I’d rather be attacking then, than be stood there pretending like it’s raining.

And see, as much as I come across attacking, I feel that there’s too many times people don’t raise a voice. It mirrors society.

Most people are like that. Rather than step out that door and help protect your neighbour when yet again that gang passes by and throws bricks through his window, instead it’s being stood in the dark, slightly moving the curtain to the side to get a glance of the attack, while whispering to the rest gathered behind in the dark to go back to bed.


Oh, well this is truly a horse of a different color. I don't consider stepping up in such a situation as attacking. Not in the least. I have done so myself on several occasions. I have put in my 2 cents when someone criticizes another's English language ability...AND THE ONES THEY CRITICIZE ARE NOT OF AN ENGLISH-SPEAKING COUNTRY! I have spoken out when racist comments are made, as have you, for I abhor racism. You may not always find a comment from me in such threads, but I am not always online when these comments are made and sometimes, by the time I read the thread, enough has been said by others and it seems time to let that thread die.
I am in complete agreement with you on this matter. I, too, will raise my voice when I see someone being criticized or belittled because they are guilty of just BEING....being Muslim, being fat, being female, being male, being whatever it is that someone else doesn't like. Being an American woman, I've been on the receiving end many times here as well. My skin is pretty thick, however, and I don't let the idle words of ignorant minds get to me. I will respond to bullshit, but I don't absorb it. But the unkind and often cruel statements made to others who are completely undeserving...well, these posts do indeed get my back up. I don't tolerate bullying or racism, Cap'n. I'm completely in your corner on this subject.
typomatic Sienna, Tuscany Italy
jlb684: Oh, well this is truly a horse of a different color. I don't consider stepping up in such a situation as attacking. Not in the least. I have done so myself on several occasions. I have put in my 2 cents when someone criticizes another's English language ability...AND THE ONES THEY CRITICIZE ARE NOT OF AN ENGLISH-SPEAKING COUNTRY! I have spoken out when racist comments are made, as have you, for I abhor racism. You may not always find a comment from me in such threads, but I am not always online when these comments are made and sometimes, by the time I read the thread, enough has been said by others and it seems time to let that thread die.
I am in complete agreement with you on this matter. I, too, will raise my voice when I see someone being criticized or belittled because they are guilty of just BEING....being Muslim, being fat, being female, being male, being whatever it is that someone else doesn't like. Being an American woman, I've been on the receiving end many times here as well. My skin is pretty thick, however, and I don't let the idle words of ignorant minds get to me. I will respond to bullshit, but I don't absorb it. But the unkind and often cruel statements made to others who are completely undeserving...well, these posts do indeed get my back up. I don't tolerate bullying or racism, Cap'n. I'm completely in your corner on this subject.


The problem though is that you and the Capt are intelligent and use that ability to discern between standing up to a bully and attacking someones personality.
Those who are less well blessed with common sense will however confuse the two and always take the attack side as that will give them the “right” to give abuse back.
I love the word “sycophants” “a servile or obsequious person who flatters somebody powerful for personal gain” it describes exactly what occurs on forums.



steven6611 victor Harbor, South Australia Australia
wave Hi Typo

Yes wel put by all 3 of you, another thing I have found is expressions, sayings & even humour can be a slight problem on here . What I mean by that is as an Aussi we have a different sense of humour, different sayings & expressions & I do know personally speaking that it can sadly be taken the wrong way from someone overseas who just doenst get it.

Also the other problem is some people who dont read everything that is written is a post or several posts and just take bits & pieces here & there & use that as an argument without reading the whole response
typomatic Sienna, Tuscany Italy
steven6611: Hi Typo

Yes wel put by all 3 of you, another thing I have found is expressions, sayings & even humour can be a slight problem on here . What I mean by that is as an Aussi we have a different sense of humour, different sayings & expressions & I do know personally speaking that it can sadly be taken the wrong way from someone overseas who just doenst get it.

Also the other problem is some people who dont read everything that is written is a post or several posts and just take bits & pieces here & there & use that as an argument without reading the whole response


Hi Steve

Yes humour does not always cross the sea, same with certain cultural differences, for example, where I come from we hold up two fingers to show we want 2 items, In the UK it is used to tell someone to F off.
However, racism and abuse does not have borders to my way of thinking.




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