AYN RAND

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wonderworker cosby, Tennessee USA
Rand wrote four novels including ATLAS SHRUGGED and THE FOUNTAINHEAD plus a number of philosophical essays such as THE VIRTUE OF SELFISHNESS.
All of her work was an argument promoting "rational self-intrest"
She was a political paranoiac and a militant capitalist.
Her work goes through cycles of popularity and is under constant review in the cult community she created notably the "Objectivist Society"
Any opinions? Any Devotees?
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mbcasey North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA
Conrad, who posts here but is in the hospital now, is a huge fan.

I have yet to read her work, and I want to soon, but I saw the movie, "The Fountainhead" and thought it was brilliant.
wonderworker cosby, Tennessee USA
mbcasey: Conrad, who posts here but is in the hospital now, is a huge fan.

I have yet to read her work, and I want to soon, but I saw the movie, "The Fountainhead" and thought it was brilliant.


Rand insisted that all dialogue inthe movie THE FOUNTAINHEAD be reproduced verbatim from the novel.I hear that the character Howard Roark was based on F.Lloyd Wright.
Don't know Conrad but would like to hear his views sometime.Give him my best for a speedy recovery.
Others in the Forums have referred to Rand,hence this thread
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mbcasey North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA
wonderworker: Rand insisted that all dialogue inthe movie THE FOUNTAINHEAD be reproduced verbatim from the novel.I hear that the character Howard Roark was based on F.Lloyd Wright.
Don't know Conrad but would like to hear his views sometime.Give him my best for a speedy recovery.
Others in the Forums have referred to Rand,hence this thread


I asked Conrad about the book compared to the movie. He said the movie is well short the depth of the book...but that is the case of most books to movies.

There is a thread on the 1st page about Conrad...you can post your well wishes there...handshake
SensualVixen Tampa Bay area, Florida USA
"Atlas Shrugged" is one of my favorite books and John Galt my hero. Governments running big business. Was Ayn a writer of science fiction or a psychic????
druidess6308 Reverse, Pennsylvania USA
wonderworker: Rand wrote four novels including ATLAS SHRUGGED and THE FOUNTAINHEAD plus a number of philosophical essays such as THE VIRTUE OF SELFISHNESS.
All of her work was an argument promoting "rational self-intrest"
She was a political paranoiac and a militant capitalist.
Her work goes through cycles of popularity and is under constant review in the cult community she created notably the "Objectivist Society"
Any opinions? Any Devotees?


Honestly, I have heard of her works, but haven't read them yet. Perhaps some day when my studies are done and I have time to read something besides texts and related books. I'm not sure I care to read political writings, though. I thought her writings were more philosophical in nature, rather than political, until a recent recommendation from a political activist.

So...knowing that I'm keen on philosophy and spirituality, but not on politics, are there any of her works that you'd recommend?
SensualVixen Tampa Bay area, Florida USA
druidess6308: Honestly, I have heard of her works, but haven't read them yet. Perhaps some day when my studies are done and I have time to read something besides texts and related books. I'm not sure I care to read political writings, though. I thought her writings were more philosophical in nature, rather than political, until a recent recommendation from a political activist.

So...knowing that I'm keen on philosophy and spirituality, but not on politics, are there any of her works that you'd recommend?



Dru, most of her works and essays lean towards the philosophial nature, with indirect political innuendos.

For you I would recommend her essays. Both the "Fountainhead" and most definitely "Atlas Shrugged" have political overtones.
druidess6308 Reverse, Pennsylvania USA
SensualVixen: Dru, most of her works and essays lean towards the philosophial nature, with indirect political innuendos.

For you I would recommend her essays. Both the "Fountainhead" and most definitely "Atlas Shrugged" have political overtones.


Thank you, Vixen. I definitely figured "Atlas Shrugged" must be political in nature, since that's the one that was recommended. I will see if I can find some of her essays...that sounds like something that can be taken in small bites between text studies. wine hug
wonderworker cosby, Tennessee USA
druidess6308: Honestly, I have heard of her works, but haven't read them yet. Perhaps some day when my studies are done and I have time to read something besides texts and related books. I'm not sure I care to read political writings, though. I thought her writings were more philosophical in nature, rather than political, until a recent recommendation from a political activist.

So...knowing that I'm keen on philosophy and spirituality, but not on politics, are there any of her works that you'd recommend?


Definitely THE VIRTUE OF SELFISHNESS.The major novels are 1000 pages. There are no small bites.It is all political/philosophical
Rand never gained any recognition for fiction despite huge sales in that genre.There is an obscure first novel called WE THE LIVING which is more novel less argument and has an early flavor of what's to follow.
Antjo39 Pucara, Puno Peru
In response to: Rand wrote four novels including ATLAS SHRUGGED and THE FOUNTAINHEAD plus a number of philosophical essays such as THE VIRTUE OF SELFISHNESS.
All of her work was an argument promoting "rational self-intrest"
She was a political paranoiac and a militant capitalist.
Her work goes through cycles of popularity and is under constant review in the cult community she created notably the "Objectivist Society"
Any opinions? Any Devotees?

It is interesting to see the connections between the utopies represented by the communist society (following the definition given by Marx) and the free-market society at the style of Rand. Based either on collective or individual action, both models see the productive activity of humans liberated from the state (in the first case, its disollution while in the scond its mere conservation as a regulator of non-economic aspects of life)

It is also interesting to see the parallelism of many holders of both types of utopias, forging their praxis and practical ideology either to the extreme left or to the extreme right (as it was the case of Rand). Thsi last fact can be seen as an attempt of these dreamers to keep an alliance with the gang that would likely eliminate the other one and open the path to their utopy, the paradise on earth.

It is finally interesting, and in connection to what I have said above, that Rand never dealt or tried to deal with the utopian concept of communism as an adversary (that one that can be traced back to Moro and Carlyle) but with the statism version introduced by the Soviets. This omission has been very convenient as it has kept its "ideal" as the struggle for irrestricted freedom against oppression from the state leaving aside the same problems of consistency with history and economics, its twin brother (the utopian communism) faced in the theoretical and practical fields.
wonderworker cosby, Tennessee USA
mbcasey: I asked Conrad about the book compared to the movie. He said the movie is well short the depth of the book...but that is the case of most books to movies.

There is a thread on the 1st page about Conrad...you can post your well wishes there...


ItIs simply impossible to condense a book of that length and complexity into a script.THE FONTAINHEAD is 1000 pages and took 9 years to write.ATLAS SHRUGGED is even longer and took 14 years.
druidess6308 Reverse, Pennsylvania USA
wonderworker: Definitely THE VIRTUE OF SELFISHNESS.The major novels are 1000 pages. There are no small bites.It is all political/philosophical
Rand never gained any recognition for fiction despite huge sales in that genre.There is an obscure first novel called WE THE LIVING which is more novel less argument and has an early flavor of what's to follow.


Thank you, Wonder. "The Virtue of Selfishness" does sound intriguing in its title, so I will look into that one. "We The Living" also sounds like something I'd be interested in reading.
Ambrose2007 Badger, South Dakota USA
Why am I not surprised that you dislike Rand?mumbling
wonderworker cosby, Tennessee USA
Ambrose2007: Why am I not surprised that you dislike Rand?

Why would you conclude that I dislike Rand?
You just today supposed that I had a contempt for much more besides.
It's all for the sake of the symposium Ambrose.
What do you think of Rand?I'll share what I know as we go if the thread holds out.
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wonderworker cosby, Tennessee USA
Remember how Howard Roark and John Galt were impossible to offend by disagreeing with them?Remember Roark soaring above the masses on the girder of his skyskraper?
The best part of AYN RAND was the thought she stimulated.
Love her or hate her,in the 60's ATLAS SHRUGGED outsold everything except the Bible and she still has a following,with a revival at hand.
Why is that?
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Apostophe Boksburg, Johannesburg South Africa
Read only ATLASS SHRUGGED 27 years ago. Thought provoking.
Ambrose2007 Badger, South Dakota USA
wonderworker: Why would you conclude that I dislike Rand?
You just today supposed that I had a contempt for much more besides.
It's all for the sake of the symposium Ambrose.
What do you think of Rand?I'll share what I know as we go if the thread holds out.


Well, "political paranoiac" doesn't strike me as exactly a term of endearment, Wonder.

I do apologize for my harsh tone yesterday, however. You deserve credit for raising such weighty issues (weighty for a singles site anyway laugh).head banger
wonderworker cosby, Tennessee USA
Ambrose2007: Well, "political paranoiac" doesn't strike me as exactly a term of endearment, Wonder.

I do apologize for my harsh tone yesterday, however. You deserve credit for raising such weighty issues (weighty for a singles site anyway ).

I lifted that from a review I remembered by one of her detractors but endearing or derisive it does seem apt dont you think?
Last week I posted a comic thread re: freckles on Celtic girls' asses.It was pretty well appreciated.
If my fprums seem weighty or burdensome the explanation isas simple as the fact that this Is a singles site.
I wish to expose myself-my personality anyhow--to the One who is watching for me coming...that's all.
Shall we discuss Rand?
You next.I am expecting StressFree to have a contribution any moment.
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Galactic_bodhi Portland, Oregon USA
I find it extremely ironic that a philosopher who advocated individual thought and rational self-interest would be so mindlessly parroted by people who think that they're thinking, but in reality, they're mindlessly chanting the mantras of their guru.

If you meet the Buddha in a book, burn it. roll eyes doh
Ambrose2007 Badger, South Dakota USA
wonderworker: I lifted that from a review I remembered by one of her detractors but endearing or derisive it does seem apt dont you think?
Last week I posted a comic thread re: freckles on Celtic girls' asses.It was pretty well appreciated.
If my fprums seem weighty or burdensome the explanation isas simple as the fact that this Is a singles site.
I wish to expose myself-my personality anyhow--to the One who is watching for me coming...that's all.
Shall we discuss Rand?
You next.I am expecting StressFree to have a contribution any moment.


I'm glad you clarified which part of yourself you're wishing to expose. Though if The One is watching for your coming, perhaps your exposure will need to be holistic after all.cool wink




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