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I v realized that when i started here ... some 7- months ago

I don't lump all the women of CS together into a category of any sort. Yes there are many scammers, both men and women, on the internet dating sites; however, many of us (and you) are here for the same reasons--to find someone to share our lives.

I don't expect a lady I meet up with to work. At my age in life I think we would enjoy activities and travel and each other. My working days are behind me.

Actually, you aren't "all" lumped together. But you have to remember the experienced web dater can smell a scammer coming a mile away. They have no cut cards male or female. And yes I have had women ask me for airfare and men.

And thy have asked for my bank account number. So.... If you stay here long enough you will see your fair share. JMHO

I just wasnt a loving uncomplicated woman........ if she wants to work 'so be it', but a woman married to me need never work - but if she spends all day painting her nails she'd be a really boring bitch and she can 'fuck off' too!

With all of the other jobs being sent over seas it would seem we should give priority to the US scammer industry.

Come on folks if you're going to lose your savings at least lose them to a yank and keep the money in the country.

It's not just Russia or Africa or the UK. They are everywhere and say they are from right in your hometown or another totally ficticious place until they go on a trip and need you to send them money. Or they love you but need you to send them money for a ticket. You only find out then that they are truly scammers. An honest man or woman from any Country won't try to scam anyone. They will be honest and upfront about their goals and needs. If I were the gentlemen I would fly to her and check the situation out before I trusted what is still basically a stranger until you have met face to face.

What amazes me is that if we are all aware and don't send these people money...who does? How are they continuing to make a living doing this? It must mean someone is not educated about them so perhaps the best we can do is keep talking about it so that it is always up front and in our faces for the new people to see and for us to not forget.

Its not you girl, it's them that make it hard for all of us.

Just to set the record straight, the scammers from UK are usually Nigerian men posing as Russian women and increasingly chinese women. Very few women are involved directly in scamming, they are photos and usually have paid for the privilege of having the photos taken or they are just. I have known honest agencies that have introduced Russian women to Western men. (I lived and worked in Russia for a while) One particular woman corresponding for months with a guy from Texas took a student exchange programme for the summer in USA for the sole purpose of meeting this man. This guy was a smooth talker, he was not wealthy, worked hard, owned a condo and had a summer house and lived fairly comfortable. Or so he told her. On arrival in USA she was greated by this guy with his ass hanging out of a saggy pair of denims, whisked off to a trailer park, complete with stinking mongrals and unkempt filthy one room trailer complete with outside toilet and an array of empty beer cans amassed on the garden area. He had no job, and had not a bean to his name. She got the hell out of there and headed for the hills and to the safety of the summer camp. She was lucky to have a plan B to fall back on. So who was the scammer, answers on a postcard please. I know this story because she ended up meeting a guy from London at the summer camp and now lives in London quite happily, moral is that not everything these women read is above board either.

Am I the only one to hear of westerners scamming young vulnerable russians

No scousedon, you are not the only one.

I lived in Ukraine for 3 years and yes I saw and heard of women scammers but unfortunately you are right. There are also men scammers.

I heard many stories from women there about friends who went to live and marry in the US to find it was nothing like what they had been told (not only the US but the majority of men going there looking for wives tend to be from there).

I saw it myself with many of the men visiting there pretending they had big businesses and lots of money. It's easy to give that impression when you are on holidays and have maybe saved for a year to go there. It's not hard to give that impression in a country where the average wage is about $400 per month and a lot of men did use their greater buying power to impress young women who they would not have a chance with back home.

This is the reason why US immigration introduced IMBRA where an American man now wishing to get a fiancee visa for a foreign woman to come and marry him must disclose a lot of personal information to the woman beforehand, such as, his job and salary and whether he has any criminal record.

While there are certainly women scammers, it works both ways and their is fault on both sides.

As regards sending a woman money or gifts that is your decision alone to make but I would say never send it if she asks for it.

Genuine Russian women (I use the term loosely to cover all former soviet countries) are very proud and no matter how hard their life is, will never ask you for money, certainly not before you are in a committed relationship.

Excellent post, I like the last paragraph about them being proud as any nationality, It is unfortunate so many are tarred by the same brush by the ideology that all post soviet women are on the make. IMBRA is a new one on me but seems a good bit of legislation, maybe our home office should adopt something similar.

I agree, I know there are some good women out there who just want true love and a good life, but there are those you see that are just way out in left field to be looking for anything more than a quick buck. I mean, when you see a spanking hot Russian woman writing to some joe who lives in some small apartment who can't hold a job, even barely pays his own rent and asks him for money to go and marry him on a whim, that is a lot to swallow. I would think the Russian woman could easily find any man she wanted there in Russia and be set for life even as a model, but who knows, maybe she liked his personality?

There are good women everywhere, but I can't see ever sending a woman money. I mean if I liked her that much I would go there first and make sure its a sure thing before planning to buy her a plane ticket.

The only time I would send any woman some money is if she was married to me already and she needed to get home from visiting her friends, lost her wallet, credit cards didn't work and that would be pretty hard since I wouldn't pass up a trip and would usually be with her.

If its true love, the man should go there first.

Problem here is that it only takes a few unscrupoulous agencies that scam to give all these women a bad name, The idea that young 21 year old women are happy to meet some 50 year old bloke is far and few between, It does happen and flounders very quickly but russian women tend to be happy enough with 10-15 years different, and they are aware that this middle aged overweight man must have lots of baggage and tend to go for men that they envisage being with for life. The aagencies and individuals give so many women a bad name, I and lived there for months, had a few flings but never came across a gold digger at all. The ones that are you can tell immediately and just give a wide berth.

Exactly, I mean if the woman is anything to look at, she already can find someone younger very easily. I mean any man that is even over 40 she would just walk him to the senior center for bingo and leave him there. Young women like vitality, the age they can run down the street with some guy hand in hand and not having to worry about him needing a walker after 10 steps or oxygen.
Wait a minute, I am 40, heck, I am out of luck I guess. I am stuck trying to find a blind 20 year old that needs an old seeing eye man. Goodness, I might as well call it a day.

Logical post and funny



But speaking of Russia. Genderwise ... Male population is in minority. There are two reasons for that:

1. WWII More than 60% of male population was killed or became crippled to the point that they couldn't reproduce or work.
We still experience disbalance between Male and Female population. Approximatelly there is 2 females for I Male.

2. Alcoholism among Males ( Culturally Russian women do not drink much) makes Males unable to support and raise Families and Russian women are very family oriented ( Cultural again)

Agree. Generally.
But most women from all former soviet countries (and most eastern european also) often have very low income. And definitely they are not able have such expenses like tickets, hotels, etc. That’s why I think that is not criminal if they inform about that admirers which die to meet them in person. If gentleman don’t want spend his money, could be better if he notes in his profile that he wants to meet only financially independent women and don’t contact these which are not. Just make his search in other wealthier countries and keep away from all other.
Besides, even nowdays in most above mentioned countries is normal when men pay for women, she even not need to ask him, that is tradition. That’s why if gentleman comes from country where it is taken like criminal, he have to inform lady about it, too.

Scammers are all over the world including the U.S,at all levels.Some just don't ask foe money,some will move in and try to take you assets.But the main point I want to state is most woman in the U.S struggle to take care of their childre, by working a grill to make a few bucks, and may get little help from the gov't for rent and food,run to clinics when the kids are sick and wait for hours, while the father beates child support by making income partly off the books,woman is the U.S hardly have time to sit on a couch and do their nils.

My whole point is that there are that are not what they promise either, so women from The East Europe get scammed also by false western men.

I agree completely hyoscyamus.

Having lived there I am well aware of this but then not everyone will be. Having said that, if a man thinks enough of a woman to get on a plane and visit her then he should at least make it his business to find out about the culture of the country he is going to.

As for sending them money to come visit him, my personal opinion is if a man is interested enough and is any sort of a gentleman then it is his duty to visit her not the other way around.

There are scammers in all countries, that includes the USA and the UK. But the russians have outdone themselves. When a beautiful russion woman in here twenties seeks a man up to his sixties then what can it be other than a pure scam, they have been well known for it for years.

The sad thing is however, even men who have lived a long and varied life, with a whole load of life experience still fall for it. Theres no fool like an old as the saying go's. It's fools like this that keep the scammers in business.