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Ok.. first I would like to say that I am a compassionate person but I turned it off for a moment just to give some cold hard facts and ask some questions..

War is inevitable.. People do it and even animals do it.. Sorry to say it's in our blood and it always will be..

12,617 from 20th March 2005 to 1st March 2006 died in the Iraq war..
40,000 people died in the same time period from snake bites.
Am I saying to kill snakes? NO. Just showing you how the media gets you all worked up.

Fact is over population is the biggest killer in the world... considering that.. Is helping people in areas that can't sustain the population in that area really helping or in the long run really cruel? maybe we got it all backward, who knows.

Consider this.. The worlds population was growing a an unsustainable rate before there were doctors, foreign help, and the average life span was 25.

So my question is. Should we really be working on way's to sustain life or ways to let people have a more respectable death?

As I once heard from what I thought was a heartless statement..
The only people that are hurt when someone is gone are the people they left behind.. Could it be that wanting someone in pain not to die being greedy?

Ok I turned my compassion back on now and it may be wrong but I am for saving life...

Paul

Paul, what you just described , used to be called "Lifeboat ethics". If a lifeboat was designed to accomodate 10 people, any more and it would sink, but there's 11 people in it........? Paws

Yes war is inevitable...There will always be someone that has a cause good enough in their eyes to fight for!!!!!!

It may or may not be right...BUT it is reality unfortunately...as much as we all would like to have all nations at peace with one another....Some nations do not and will not ever agree!!!!!

I am for saving lives also....Unless the individual has made it clear they don't want to be saved...Through a DNR order or something to that effect!!!!!!

Research and innovation has come a long way in this century alone and not only allows people to live longer....But to be cured or to have some of the discomfort removed from alot of these deadly diseases that exist today!!!!!

Taking life...unfortunately will always exist along with the saving of lives.....The cold, hard reality of the world we live in today!!!!!!

Having worked in Pallitive care,yes,I have and will contiue to say that it is those that are being left behind that suffer most,as those who are passing,have already gone,this ofourse only being pronlonged life,not that of a sudden death though ofcourse.

Tis it greed to have a want to need of those we love,more so to me it is just wanting to hang on,so selfish would to me be a better word,however not all have this behaviour in the end,most just want the comfort of knowing there is peace,and if that means in passing,then yes,so be it.

I am going to talk out of my own personal experiance and say this.
I was given a quote unquote chance to live,in the eyes of the medical profession,my choice to be there way,or no way,meaning death.Well death being the inevitable,and there really being no certan time with death,I choose my way, beacuse to me there way would have been a chance to live in sickness,in hospitals with doctors, and a family greiving for me,I couldn't have that ,so I live my life the best I can and make peace and light out of a bad situation.

Well guess what I am here, and to me the quality of life is far better then the quantity of death,don't get me wrong,not by a long shot do I not feel that research and the changes to medical technology should stop,it has changed lives,saved lives and has come a long way and to me is very remarkable.But what I am saying is that we have the here and the now and we have choice and to me I want to have the choice to live ,living is for the here and now,and death is a everlasting sleep,while here I have control,once I am gone I have not......

I agree the media can work people up. I remember the "shock and awe" they called it. It was treated like a big fireworks display. I remember the humanitarian words of how the bunker buster missiles were actually only killing the military of Iraq and not the civillians. 911 was a terrible thing and I don't want to make light of it. I agree that war can seem inevitable. Wars and rumors of wars I can remember reading. I just don't think war is the best overpopulation answer to combat overpopulation. My question is how has war made your life better?

Oh don't get me wrong. I'm not condoning war in any way.. but I do believe that people eventually being packed together like a can of sardines will cause a bigger war than we've ever seen in our history.

My basic thought was how to stop this from happening, and still be compassionate..

Many people don't get along with each other, neighbors are warring, cities are warring, individuals are warring, it's not just the country's. I even see people on this forum that would love to pull each other's hair out lol

Do we need some kind of leader that will force us to to ignore our compassion's? So we can live in "peace" with each other. I myself think not.. Greed and believing your way is the best way is a part of human nature sadly. That's why I say war is inevitable..

Oh and my statement about the media getting you all worked up is because there are places in the world today, where the death toll is 10 fold what it is in Iraq, but nobody's even talking about it or seems to care about, because it just doesn't get any publicity. And that kind of upsets me

Like the children in are own backyards who are starving and the suicide rate that went up sky high for many political reason,media isn't saying shit about that either.....

The question of intervention in the affairs of a sovereign state by the international community has long been debated in international relations.

This intervention as a tool to halt abuse and restore stability has risks and benefits.


Is it appropriate for intervention in another area when the particular area is failing in this responsibility? There is so much suffering, evil and wrong doing in the world it is impossible to intervene everywhere people are suffering.

Who should act and under whose authority should action be taken?

What obligation is there to see the intervention through to achieve peace, economic recovery and even placement of proper government, as well as ensure safe settlement of refugees and displaced persons?




I feel lead in my life to be responsible enough to do as much possible to eliminate human made epidemics and human suffering. These things can not be abolished in a short time and even if halted, there is always the possiblity of their reemergence.

like Niger and Chad and Sudan?



i figure at the end of the day i just have myself....to be able to live /sleep with myself and my contradictions.... i do the best i can.

i happen to be on the life saving end this time..... who knows if reincarnation is true maybe i will be on the other end next time...



all i know is what works for me... i know there are no solutions no quick fixes....

i just am not able to give up. because that is what i am. what i do is persevere....there will never be any answer . this is the human condition. but i am a doctor...like someone is an artist or a musician..it is in us to express this talent/skill..to do otherwise would be a miserable life.

every day presents me with another opportunity to DO thank you. to show my children another way amoung many ways ....we do the best we can

perspectives many perspectives.... no ONE SINGLE one is 100% right or wrong, but all hold a value and have a place to be considered

Isn't there something very wrong when it comes to our troops going off to war and then once there are finding themselves often in situations that are as much of a danger as the enemy itself. Like the agent orange during nam , the neurological problems from dessert storm, and these cause cronic problems with the veterans and sometimes their family. Which then makes most not make it to retirement and SS benefits. (?) My brother was shipped out to nam on a ship that had a very bad leak. Now something is very wrong when the soldiers going to war are having to bail water from ship on way to war zone. Then once there, lots of them didn't have proper supplies. Families had to send the needed things to their sons. One thing in peticular was rain suits etc. Is there really an explaination for this? (just venting) peace to all