Russia is spiralling down into recession ( Archived) (61)

Dec 21, 2014 2:10 PM CST Russia is spiralling down into recession
lifeisadream: Another angel?


I was 15years old when the Soviets stomped on Hungary!
3 years after Nikita condemned Joe Stalin for his Cruelty,and then went right ahead in the very same Footsteps!sigh
Remember it like it were yesterday!
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Dec 21, 2014 4:02 PM CST Russia is spiralling down into recession
Conrad73: that's Eastern Europe for you!

There was a joke in there somewhere.... when you were 15.... I was wondering for a second were you talking about the Mongolian invasion of 1241. grin laugh
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Dec 21, 2014 7:01 PM CST Russia is spiralling down into recession
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
Conrad73: I was 15years old when the Soviets stomped on Hungary!
3 years after Nikita condemned Joe Stalin for his Cruelty,and then went right ahead in the very same Footsteps!
Remember it like it were yesterday!

Are the Israeli and the USA gov white doves?
Can you remember as well some of their atrocities?
Or is your memory rather selective?
Spaniards killed millions of native people, should I hate them for it?
Of course, not.

I am sorry for you and all the victims (Mexicans, Jews, Arabs, Americans, Armenians, .....)and if you really want to stop the killing among countries we have to see both ends of the rope.

coffee
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Dec 21, 2014 9:22 PM CST Russia is spiralling down into recession
crayons
crayonscrayonsSt. Jo, Texas USA65 Threads 1,951 Posts
russia spiraling down dont think so... read for two days
they are only accepting gold fer oil,,, what does that tell you
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Dec 22, 2014 2:05 AM CST Russia is spiralling down into recession
MADDOG69: There was a joke in there somewhere.... when you were 15.... I was wondering for a second were you talking about the Mongolian invasion of 1241.


Bit young for that!laugh
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Dec 22, 2014 2:26 AM CST Russia is spiralling down into recession
epirb: Obama was printing 40 billion a month to bring it down and could not because folks trust the yankydollar . Putin spent 80 billion supporting the rouble and could not , now I am just guessing it could be because folks don't trust the rouble and the new tsar .

Putin more or less dumped 58 billion, yankydollar dived, however over past few months russia been buying up gold, there gold reserves jumped two place passing China into sixth place, over 1,000 tons and probably just behind the vatican
then there is as mentioned, gold for oil swap going ongoing
russia isn't down and out by a long country mile
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Dec 22, 2014 2:58 AM CST Russia is spiralling down into recession
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
robplum: Putin more or less dumped 58 billion, yankydollar dived, however over past few months russia been buying up gold, there gold reserves jumped two place passing China into sixth place, over 1,000 tons and probably just behind the vatican
then there is as mentioned, gold for oil swap going ongoing
russia isn't down and out by a long country mile


You're right, and threads like this make me wonder why people believe the propaganda the media and gov't pump out in their country (USA).

It's almost as bad as living in Russia and believing the BS they're fed in their country! laugh

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Dec 22, 2014 4:15 AM CST Russia is spiralling down into recession
There seems to be a lot of news about America's problems in our media and not much about yours or other countries, like some would have others believe US is center of universe, pretty dangerous stuff
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Dec 22, 2014 4:30 AM CST Russia is spiralling down into recession
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
robplum: There seems to be a lot of news about America's problems in our media and not much about yours or other countries, like some would have others believe US is center of universe, pretty dangerous stuff


WHAT!!?? You mean it isn't? shock


Pssst! Don't tell the Yanks, some of them might get sad if they find out is isn't. laugh
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Dec 22, 2014 4:59 AM CST Russia is spiralling down into recession
take look at question thread in au/nz
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Dec 22, 2014 5:10 AM CST Russia is spiralling down into recession
kidatheart: Yeah, I know, he is a piece of work isn't he? I was hoping he'd go walkabout in the outback and fall into an anthill, or get eaten by dingoes when he was over there. We didn't really want him back here.

All joking aside, he really is bad for Canada, and I can't wait for him to leave office, as well as the entire right wing party.

Is same here, however they are sinking the ship on the way out.
Try this:
In the Upper House Parliament of Australia the Senate
Ex Army Military Police lady

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Dec 22, 2014 5:53 AM CST Russia is spiralling down into recession
time the EU woke up

China Offers Russia Ruble Help



Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates reiterated pledges to keep pumping the same amount of crude, blaming non-OPEC producers for the glut of oil that’s driven prices to the lowest in five years.

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Dec 22, 2014 8:25 AM CST Russia is spiralling down into recession
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
"“ Can you imagine what would happen to the dollar if China stopped supporting it?”"

gcy1980: China would collapse.
Government external debt not too important.
Look at Japan.


"Government external debt not too important" you say.

You clearly suffer from acute American mania.

Foreign debt is not "government" debt. It is economic debt, currency debt.It's money owed. It cannot be ignored forever.
It will have its effects. One way or the other.

When creditor countries accept to roll over due debt, the increasing interest must still be paid. The US is struggling to maintain interest payments. It is unable to even begin to pay off its actual debts.

Only China still supports the dollar, other creditors just tread water by collecting interest year after year.

The US economy is a sinking ship. It goes deeper into debt every day.

More monopoly dollars are printed up by the fed and loaned to the government to service the debt (repaid to the fed (with interest, of course) to keep things running. This ensures continual devaluation of the dollar.

In the past, the US used dirty tricks to maintain the dollar's value.

In the 70s, they lent money to poor countries but indexed the loans to the value of the dollar at the time of lending. Then the US went wild with overspending. The more they wasted, the more debtor countries had to pay back on their loans. The poorest people in the world ended up paying for the irresponsible good life in the US (and its wars).

What's more, since the entire world used the dollar as reserve currency (as per the Bretton Woods agreement at the end of WW2) the whole world was forced to support the dollar. The US had promised to maintain the gold standard and to keep the value of the dollar fixed at 35 dollars to the ounce.

When the US failed to keep its promises, the rest of the world actually paid for the high standard of living in the US.

Another scam revolved around conflict. The West intentionally set up Israel right in the Middle East and armed it to the teeth and allowed it to develop nuclear capability. As a result all countries in the region had to also engage in an arms race to protect themselves from Israel and from each other. This allowed the US to exert influence through arms and security agreements. Thus even more of the wealth of poor countries (that could have been used to improve the lives of their people) flowed into the US military industrial coffers.

And then, lets not forget energy. OPEC puppets were forced to accept only dollars for all energy transactions, so again nations were forced to support the dollar.

None of these scams work any more. Iraq, Syria and Iran began accepting Euros for oil years ago.

The US quickly found an excuse to topple and destroy Iraq, then created mercenary insurgents to attack Syria, Egypt, and Libya.

They would love to also destroy Iran. Thankfully China and Russia are there to prevent that.

Since the old scams don't work anymore the US and its gang of lackey nations are now trying to create a new globalist scam in which imaginary global crises are used to justify imposing control over sovereign nations by force. Any nation that doesn't submit is labelled as a rogue state and attacked by some sort of improvised coalition.

Meantime, the mega-rich elite maintain and strengthen their position by siphoning wealth out of the middle class in the homeland through wars and taxation to the point that soon there will be only the tiny, extremely rich ruling elite, masses of poor, and between them, a class of soldiers and police, armed to the teeth and controlled entirely by the elite.

Totalitarian economies always crumble, but it takes some time.
I'd say the US (and G8) are well over half-way to meltdown. In fact the whole thing could cascade to ruin very quickly given even a small triggering event to get the snowball rolling.
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Dec 22, 2014 8:50 AM CST Russia is spiralling down into recession
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
As for the supposed oil-glut.
It's a manufactured illusion intended to hurt Russia.
But it will backfire and hurt US energy companies even more.

Private US shale-oil production is only profitable if prices remain high. The government cannot and will not bail out the energy companies.

Like occurred with the Texas oil boom of the 1980s, the current shale oil industry will end up rusting away in the fields. Once the investors have been stung once, they will look elsewhere for their bonanza.

Russian oil is relatively cheap to extract. Russia can sit on its oil and sell it after US production dies off. They suffer presently but will gain in the end as US companies goes bust.

The situation also aligns Russian interests with those of OPEC nations.
The oil countries are asking themselves whether Russia or the US would offer them the better deal as partners.

The US is in no position to occupy any more countries. If OPEC countries decide to switch camps and side with Russia and/or China, there's not much the US could do about it.
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Dec 22, 2014 9:04 AM CST Russia is spiralling down into recession
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
kidatheart: ... threads like this make me wonder why people believe the propaganda the media and gov't pump out in their country (USA).


People in the US have very limited opportunity to hear anything other than the official lies. They are repeated endlessly by every available source, with minor variations to give the illusion of diversity of thought. Supposedly opposing viewpoints are voiced by obvious crackpots thereby reinforcing the prevailing delusion.
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Dec 22, 2014 9:08 AM CST Russia is spiralling down into recession
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
crayons: russia spiraling down dont think so... read for two days
they are only accepting gold fer oil,,, what does that tell you


They urgently need ballast for their coal barges?
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Dec 22, 2014 9:36 AM CST Russia is spiralling down into recession
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
RayfromUSA: People in the US have very limited opportunity to hear anything other than the official lies. They are repeated endlessly by every available source, with minor variations to give the illusion of diversity of thought. Supposedly opposing viewpoints are voiced by obvious crackpots thereby reinforcing the prevailing delusion.
or answer male reporters questions!hm.prez.
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Dec 22, 2014 11:38 AM CST Russia is spiralling down into recession
reb56: or answer male reporters questions!hm.prez.
He did that on purpose to give women a voice which he felt was being drowned out by men. Hail to the chief.
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Dec 22, 2014 12:23 PM CST Russia is spiralling down into recession
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
robplum: Putin more or less dumped 58 billion, yankydollar dived, however over past few months russia been buying up gold, there gold reserves jumped two place passing China into sixth place, over 1,000 tons and probably just behind the vatican
then there is as mentioned, gold for oil swap going ongoing
russia isn't down and out by a long country mile
Rouble still dropped badly though , showing up in our beef and milk powder returns . Feeling the hit personally with beef , others in my family will feel the powder drop with having to drive and operate older gear . Gold's cheap at the moment . So is the AU$ with Kiwi @ .92-94 .
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Dec 22, 2014 9:09 PM CST Russia is spiralling down into recession
Yeah Russia is able to feed its self, sure modern consumer good won't be readily available to middle class and those worse off, Russians are probably more easy to control than most western nations like the US, Russians would probably still be better off than they were 20 or 30 years ago.

Whats going on, like OPEC and really all Ray posted, I'd just add comment posted while ago, Russia is in bed with Egypt = long way round for Europe and America...

Abbott and co here have been flogging off all the assets of the people since Cheating-Keating set Regans ball rolling and Liberal Part here been trying to transfer wealth to the more well off since his election...
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