Erdogan's new a thousand room palace. (103)
Leo_7: Actually this thread was about the palace but i expected all the negative comments against Erdogan.You guys think you are clever by trying to show that you all love Turkey but sorry that the country run by a "bad man".I understand your onecided approach very well.Its a typical western approach.But dont play that you care about Turkish people.
Of course you westerners would like to see a western puppet man in the head of Turkey so you could do with Turkey whatever you want.Divide it into peaces (kurdish,greek armenian parts)and destroy the most powerful muslim country forever under the name of democracy.But people like Erdogan would never let it happen.Thats why you all despise Erdogan.
Of course you westerners would like to see a western puppet man in the head of Turkey so you could do with Turkey whatever you want.Divide it into peaces (kurdish,greek armenian parts)and destroy the most powerful muslim country forever under the name of democracy.But people like Erdogan would never let it happen.Thats why you all despise Erdogan.
Despising Erdogan is not very wise in this case.
If those guys hate Turkey and the Turks and they think Erdogan has not the qualifications for doing a good job, then they got mixed up.
In that case Turkey and the Turks will not prosper.
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I get your point of view!
I just think that the world doesn't care about that what I think or what you think. The world keep moving on his own rules. All the politics, all the power, all the status, all the clever guys.....all of them become nothing or just philosophy when the world/nature "speak". Look at the earthquake 1999 in Turkey. The first people who offer help and arrive first in Istanbul to help are the western world. At this time there was no problem with neighbors ( I mean Greece) or others or religion or whatever! I was there on vacation. The same day people from Germany called me and ask how they can help. They organize 3 trucks full of clothes, foods, medicine....and many more.
The trucks arrive in Istanbul 9 days after the earthquake. This was a private help.
I just think that the world doesn't care about that what I think or what you think. The world keep moving on his own rules. All the politics, all the power, all the status, all the clever guys.....all of them become nothing or just philosophy when the world/nature "speak". Look at the earthquake 1999 in Turkey. The first people who offer help and arrive first in Istanbul to help are the western world. At this time there was no problem with neighbors ( I mean Greece) or others or religion or whatever! I was there on vacation. The same day people from Germany called me and ask how they can help. They organize 3 trucks full of clothes, foods, medicine....and many more.
The trucks arrive in Istanbul 9 days after the earthquake. This was a private help.
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lifeisadream: Despising Erdogan is not very wise in this case.
If those guys hate Turkey and the Turks and they think Erdogan has not the qualifications for doing a good job, then they got mixed up.
In that case Turkey and the Turks will not prosper.
If those guys hate Turkey and the Turks and they think Erdogan has not the qualifications for doing a good job, then they got mixed up.
In that case Turkey and the Turks will not prosper.
Erdogan is not Turkey,even though he is a Turkey!
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Conrad73: Erdogan is not Turkey,even though he is a Turkey!
It takes one to recognize another!
I see not Turkey-ies though.
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Leo_7: Divide it into peaces (kurdish,greek armenian parts)and destroy the most powerful muslim country forever under the name of democracy.
There are No Greeks left in Turkey,only around 2000,some they forced to leave Turkey (about 1/2 million in 1955)or killed.
You cannot say the same about the 100.000 thousands Turks living
in northen Greece.
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Turkey's $7.9 Billion Mystery Money That's Simply Vanished
Something bizarre is happening on Turkey’s accounting books, and nobody’s quite sure why.
Turkey attracted $7.9 billion of income from unexplained sources during the first eight months of 2014, compared to an outflow of $90 million during the same period a year ago, according to the central bank data. In the three months that followed, $5.6 billion of that left the country.
Unexplained flows of foreign funds into and out of the economy -- marked as “net errors and omissions” in Turkey’s Balance of Payments report -- showed violent swings during the first 11 months of 2014. Outflows in November were estimated to be $3.46 billion, the biggest monthly exodus in more than 16 years, according to central bank data.
More from Bloomberg.com: Why Euro Spillover From Greece Will Probably Be Contained
Massive amounts of mysterious inflows or outflows raises doubts about Turkey’s ability to finance its current-account deficit, which the government has called the economy’s “Achilles Heel.”
Massive amounts of mysterious inflows or outflows raises doubts about Turkey’s ability to finance its current-account deficit, which the government has called the economy’s “Achilles Heel.”
Note that it's not uncommon for countries to have "net errors and omissions" in their balance of payments sheets. What makes Turkey's "puzzling" is how big these flows are as a ratio to the country's current account deficit, according to Ipek Ozkardeskaya, an emerging markets strategist at Swissquote Bank SA in Geneva.
This shortfall in what comes into the country versus what leaves the country, which is the broadest measure of trade in goods and services, has been a huge headache for Turkey. It approached 10 percent of Turkey’s gross domestic product in 2011, prompting policy makers to take action to get Turkey’s consumers to buy fewer imported goods.
The gap matters because economists use that to gauge how vulnerable Turkey’s economy is to sudden changes in global financial markets. And while fresh capital — any capital — helps in a country that desperately needs it, the fact that no one knows where some of that is coming from makes it especially difficult to predict when it will disappear. That’s exactly what happened in the latter months of 2014.
“There is no way to predict what is going to happen to these flows in 2015,” Mehmet Besimoglu, chief economist at Oyak Menkul Degerler, said by phone from Istanbul.
Besimoglu has his theories about the source of money and why it leaves. Inflows might be linked to capital flight from Iraq and Syria, where the advance of the Islamic State has pushed more than around 1.5 million people across the border to Turkey. Outflows tend to take place during periods of lira appreciation, he said.
One sea change on the horizon is an eventual normalization of monetary policy, aka interest-rate increases, in the U.S. Turkey’s Deputy Prime Minister Ali Babacan has repeatedly said U.S. rate increases is the single most important threat to Turkish economy this year. Higher rates in the world’s largest economy could lead to a shift in investors’ appetite for assets in emerging markets including Turkey, which rely on foreign capital to finance their current-account deficits.
Morgan Stanley last year listed Turkey in what it calls the “Fragile Five” economies. These countries are most vulnerable to a withdrawal of the foreign investment needed to finance their shortfall in capital coming in versus capital going out. South Africa, Indonesia, India and Brazil are the other four.
Mysterious inflows were higher than outflows in 22 out of the last 29 years that the central bank has keep records of, reducing the need for financing through official sources.
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Along the history of mankind the worst massacres have happened by men that I would think that not even animals can equate it.
Ancient cultures killings….
Spaniards killing native American people
French killing American Natives…..
British killing native people.
Ottoman killings Armenians, Greeks, etc..
Germans killing jews
Jews killing Palestines
Palestines killing Jews
Americans, British, French, killing……..
etc. and etc.
Should I hate and attack the Spanish Government/President or the Spaniard citizens because of the past killing to the people I am geographically/genetically related to?
Of course, not!.
Hating any culture, that does not good to the world.
Ancient cultures killings….
Spaniards killing native American people
French killing American Natives…..
British killing native people.
Ottoman killings Armenians, Greeks, etc..
Germans killing jews
Jews killing Palestines
Palestines killing Jews
Americans, British, French, killing……..
etc. and etc.
Should I hate and attack the Spanish Government/President or the Spaniard citizens because of the past killing to the people I am geographically/genetically related to?
Of course, not!.
freemind73: "Yesterday I was clever, so I wanted to change the world.
Today I'm wise, so I changing myself."
I wish you all a good time and all the best!
Today I'm wise, so I changing myself."
I wish you all a good time and all the best!
Hating any culture, that does not good to the world.
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Conrad73: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/turkeys-7-9-billion-mystery-051809549.html
Turkey's $7.9 Billion Mystery Money That's Simply Vanished
Something bizarre is happening on Turkey’s accounting books, and nobody’s quite sure why.Turkey attracted $7.9 billion of income from unexplained sources during the first eight months of 2014, compared to an outflow of $90 million during the same period a year ago, according to the central bank data. In the three months that followed, $5.6 billion of that left the country.
Unexplained flows of foreign funds into and out of the economy -- marked as “net errors and omissions” in Turkey’s Balance of Payments report -- showed violent swings during the first 11 months of 2014. Outflows in November were estimated to be $3.46 billion, the biggest monthly exodus in more than 16 years, according to central bank data.
More from Bloomberg.com: Why Euro Spillover From Greece Will Probably Be Contained
Massive amounts of mysterious inflows or outflows raises doubts about Turkey’s ability to finance its current-account deficit, which the government has called the economy’s “Achilles Heel.”
Massive amounts of mysterious inflows or outflows raises doubts about Turkey’s ability to finance its current-account deficit, which the government has called the economy’s “Achilles Heel.”
Note that it's not uncommon for countries to have "net errors and omissions" in their balance of payments sheets. What makes Turkey's "puzzling" is how big these flows are as a ratio to the country's current account deficit, according to Ipek Ozkardeskaya, an emerging markets strategist at Swissquote Bank SA in Geneva.
This shortfall in what comes into the country versus what leaves the country, which is the broadest measure of trade in goods and services, has been a huge headache for Turkey. It approached 10 percent of Turkey’s gross domestic product in 2011, prompting policy makers to take action to get Turkey’s consumers to buy fewer imported goods.
The gap matters because economists use that to gauge how vulnerable Turkey’s economy is to sudden changes in global financial markets. And while fresh capital — any capital — helps in a country that desperately needs it, the fact that no one knows where some of that is coming from makes it especially difficult to predict when it will disappear. That’s exactly what happened in the latter months of 2014.
“There is no way to predict what is going to happen to these flows in 2015,” Mehmet Besimoglu, chief economist at Oyak Menkul Degerler, said by phone from Istanbul.
Besimoglu has his theories about the source of money and why it leaves. Inflows might be linked to capital flight from Iraq and Syria, where the advance of the Islamic State has pushed more than around 1.5 million people across the border to Turkey. Outflows tend to take place during periods of lira appreciation, he said.
One sea change on the horizon is an eventual normalization of monetary policy, aka interest-rate increases, in the U.S. Turkey’s Deputy Prime Minister Ali Babacan has repeatedly said U.S. rate increases is the single most important threat to Turkish economy this year. Higher rates in the world’s largest economy could lead to a shift in investors’ appetite for assets in emerging markets including Turkey, which rely on foreign capital to finance their current-account deficits.
Morgan Stanley last year listed Turkey in what it calls the “Fragile Five” economies. These countries are most vulnerable to a withdrawal of the foreign investment needed to finance their shortfall in capital coming in versus capital going out. South Africa, Indonesia, India and Brazil are the other four.
Mysterious inflows were higher than outflows in 22 out of the last 29 years that the central bank has keep records of, reducing the need for financing through official sources.
Turkey's $7.9 Billion Mystery Money That's Simply Vanished
Something bizarre is happening on Turkey’s accounting books, and nobody’s quite sure why.Turkey attracted $7.9 billion of income from unexplained sources during the first eight months of 2014, compared to an outflow of $90 million during the same period a year ago, according to the central bank data. In the three months that followed, $5.6 billion of that left the country.
Unexplained flows of foreign funds into and out of the economy -- marked as “net errors and omissions” in Turkey’s Balance of Payments report -- showed violent swings during the first 11 months of 2014. Outflows in November were estimated to be $3.46 billion, the biggest monthly exodus in more than 16 years, according to central bank data.
More from Bloomberg.com: Why Euro Spillover From Greece Will Probably Be Contained
Massive amounts of mysterious inflows or outflows raises doubts about Turkey’s ability to finance its current-account deficit, which the government has called the economy’s “Achilles Heel.”
Massive amounts of mysterious inflows or outflows raises doubts about Turkey’s ability to finance its current-account deficit, which the government has called the economy’s “Achilles Heel.”
Note that it's not uncommon for countries to have "net errors and omissions" in their balance of payments sheets. What makes Turkey's "puzzling" is how big these flows are as a ratio to the country's current account deficit, according to Ipek Ozkardeskaya, an emerging markets strategist at Swissquote Bank SA in Geneva.
This shortfall in what comes into the country versus what leaves the country, which is the broadest measure of trade in goods and services, has been a huge headache for Turkey. It approached 10 percent of Turkey’s gross domestic product in 2011, prompting policy makers to take action to get Turkey’s consumers to buy fewer imported goods.
The gap matters because economists use that to gauge how vulnerable Turkey’s economy is to sudden changes in global financial markets. And while fresh capital — any capital — helps in a country that desperately needs it, the fact that no one knows where some of that is coming from makes it especially difficult to predict when it will disappear. That’s exactly what happened in the latter months of 2014.
“There is no way to predict what is going to happen to these flows in 2015,” Mehmet Besimoglu, chief economist at Oyak Menkul Degerler, said by phone from Istanbul.
Besimoglu has his theories about the source of money and why it leaves. Inflows might be linked to capital flight from Iraq and Syria, where the advance of the Islamic State has pushed more than around 1.5 million people across the border to Turkey. Outflows tend to take place during periods of lira appreciation, he said.
One sea change on the horizon is an eventual normalization of monetary policy, aka interest-rate increases, in the U.S. Turkey’s Deputy Prime Minister Ali Babacan has repeatedly said U.S. rate increases is the single most important threat to Turkish economy this year. Higher rates in the world’s largest economy could lead to a shift in investors’ appetite for assets in emerging markets including Turkey, which rely on foreign capital to finance their current-account deficits.
Morgan Stanley last year listed Turkey in what it calls the “Fragile Five” economies. These countries are most vulnerable to a withdrawal of the foreign investment needed to finance their shortfall in capital coming in versus capital going out. South Africa, Indonesia, India and Brazil are the other four.
Mysterious inflows were higher than outflows in 22 out of the last 29 years that the central bank has keep records of, reducing the need for financing through official sources.
They must have the same Accounting-Firm than the Vatican, perhaps.
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freemind73: Hello,
well there is already everything said about that what Erdogan achieve with many facts. So thanks to all the other people who wrote this facts!
Actual Erdogan isn't the prime minister anymore, he is the Federal President so that means he must be neutral. Unfortunately when he talks than he still say "we" regarding AK Party or he starts talks with "in our religion...."!!
So not every Turkish person is AK Party and we have so many different religions in Turkey! Like the mine disaster...the company of this disaster can participate in a public tender and get the energy project because they are from the party.
Last week I wrote a similar comment on the Charlie Hebdo thread and I have the feeling that this match also in this discussion (at some place):
It starts always with "my god...not your god" and than it continue with "OUR god...not your god" and the rest is history.
Nice quote from Winston Churchill about History:
"History is simple one damned thing after another"
I wrote here already about my personal life just to say: it is not a problem a people from different culture, religion, beliefs...etc can live together and become friends. Change your thoughts, change your life!
By the way a quote by Hafiz that I also love:
I Have Learned
So much from God
That I can no longer
Call Myself
A Christian, a Hindu, a Muslim,
A Buddhist, a Jew.
All what they did so far on the paper...or all this statistics, well I don't look at them and just look on the streets.
On paper everything is nice in real life.....the only winner are a couple of people from the party but not the whole nation. Very simple thing...you have an inflation rate below 10% but it is standard that prices of energy or food increase 3 to 4 times in a year and this up to 100%. There are no details needed it is just a simple example!
More and more of their bad work exposing everyday and it is always the same......instead of talking about this they start discussion about religion, patriotism......
The election of him last year but also before that happens with illegal tricks and it is not possible to judge them because now they have their own people in every possible position.
On national TV Erdogan get something like 240 minutes and his opponent only 90 seconds. Or it must be a very very big cat who was able to knock out the transformer of a whole district of Istanbul on election day. This was the comment of the Energy Minister....
I think all the facts are already on the table about this organisation but you will not find them in the newspaper or on CNN but on the streets. As everybody knows is that they already control the media.
Well said. Nothing I can add to that. well there is already everything said about that what Erdogan achieve with many facts. So thanks to all the other people who wrote this facts!
Actual Erdogan isn't the prime minister anymore, he is the Federal President so that means he must be neutral. Unfortunately when he talks than he still say "we" regarding AK Party or he starts talks with "in our religion...."!!
So not every Turkish person is AK Party and we have so many different religions in Turkey! Like the mine disaster...the company of this disaster can participate in a public tender and get the energy project because they are from the party.
Last week I wrote a similar comment on the Charlie Hebdo thread and I have the feeling that this match also in this discussion (at some place):
It starts always with "my god...not your god" and than it continue with "OUR god...not your god" and the rest is history.
Nice quote from Winston Churchill about History:
"History is simple one damned thing after another"
I wrote here already about my personal life just to say: it is not a problem a people from different culture, religion, beliefs...etc can live together and become friends. Change your thoughts, change your life!
By the way a quote by Hafiz that I also love:
I Have Learned
So much from God
That I can no longer
Call Myself
A Christian, a Hindu, a Muslim,
A Buddhist, a Jew.
All what they did so far on the paper...or all this statistics, well I don't look at them and just look on the streets.
On paper everything is nice in real life.....the only winner are a couple of people from the party but not the whole nation. Very simple thing...you have an inflation rate below 10% but it is standard that prices of energy or food increase 3 to 4 times in a year and this up to 100%. There are no details needed it is just a simple example!
More and more of their bad work exposing everyday and it is always the same......instead of talking about this they start discussion about religion, patriotism......
The election of him last year but also before that happens with illegal tricks and it is not possible to judge them because now they have their own people in every possible position.
On national TV Erdogan get something like 240 minutes and his opponent only 90 seconds. Or it must be a very very big cat who was able to knock out the transformer of a whole district of Istanbul on election day. This was the comment of the Energy Minister....
I think all the facts are already on the table about this organisation but you will not find them in the newspaper or on CNN but on the streets. As everybody knows is that they already control the media.
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Leo_7: Actually this thread was about the palace but i expected all the negative comments against Erdogan.You guys think you are clever by trying to show that you all love Turkey but sorry that the country run by a "bad man".I understand your onecided approach very well.Its a typical western approach.But dont play that you care about Turkish people.
Of course you westerners would like to see a western puppet man in the head of Turkey so you could do with Turkey whatever you want.Divide it into peaces (kurdish,greek armenian parts)and destroy the most powerful muslim country forever under the name of democracy.But people like Erdogan would never let it happen.Thats why you all despise Erdogan.
Of course you westerners would like to see a western puppet man in the head of Turkey so you could do with Turkey whatever you want.Divide it into peaces (kurdish,greek armenian parts)and destroy the most powerful muslim country forever under the name of democracy.But people like Erdogan would never let it happen.Thats why you all despise Erdogan.
Not at all. Your post sounds emotional, not factual.
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lifeisadream: Would the Germans have a “human inspection and safety” approach?
Who knows.
My Father did not have a degree but he managed to learn 3 languages and he was always fascinated by other cultures. He liked the order and efficiency of the Germans (regarding to technology) in the small world my Father knew. He did teach me that Germans way of doing things were:
“It has to work and it has to look pretty”.
“If it works do not change it”It is the same every where except for a very few European countries but what is the difference?
No corruption and high education or perhaps is the other way, that better explains it.
Changes take time and if going in the peaceful way it will take longer but I do prefer it than having wasted blood.Yes, point taken.
I was not given the President of Turkey that stature.My own country?
It does not matter to me who the president of my country is.
If s/he is from the right they will do some for the people and lots for them and their friends’ business.
If s/he is from the left they will do some for the people and lots for them and their friends’ business.
If s/he is from the center they will do some for the people and lots for them and their friends’ business.
Ah! and the Green party will do very much the same.
How do you think they pay their political campaigns?
We had a case of a top left wing politician –a lady- that was having an affair with a (younger) construction contractor and guess what, this guy got the most construction work and we are talking about big money (they used to have table wine worth 100’s of dollar for lunch and she was a leftist!!!) and after some years that person got a top position in the federal gov.
Why?
I do care for my country and I will do whatever is in my hands to improve it, always in a legal way (as I would do in any other country and for any country).
Who knows.
My Father did not have a degree but he managed to learn 3 languages and he was always fascinated by other cultures. He liked the order and efficiency of the Germans (regarding to technology) in the small world my Father knew. He did teach me that Germans way of doing things were:
“It has to work and it has to look pretty”.
“If it works do not change it”It is the same every where except for a very few European countries but what is the difference?
No corruption and high education or perhaps is the other way, that better explains it.
Changes take time and if going in the peaceful way it will take longer but I do prefer it than having wasted blood.Yes, point taken.
I was not given the President of Turkey that stature.My own country?
It does not matter to me who the president of my country is.
If s/he is from the right they will do some for the people and lots for them and their friends’ business.
If s/he is from the left they will do some for the people and lots for them and their friends’ business.
If s/he is from the center they will do some for the people and lots for them and their friends’ business.
Ah! and the Green party will do very much the same.
How do you think they pay their political campaigns?
We had a case of a top left wing politician –a lady- that was having an affair with a (younger) construction contractor and guess what, this guy got the most construction work and we are talking about big money (they used to have table wine worth 100’s of dollar for lunch and she was a leftist!!!) and after some years that person got a top position in the federal gov.
Why?
I do care for my country and I will do whatever is in my hands to improve it, always in a legal way (as I would do in any other country and for any country).
Your father was a funny man
Well, there is some truth to what he said, but that, too is another thread Agree re the leftist politicians. Many are hypocrites. They'd probably get more support world-over if they weren't and if they had a plan how to actually manage a country esp. the finances and economics. For the time being, we need them just to keep a bit of balance.
The greens.. nice concept, but... Not so long ago, the green party head (a woman) went down to Serbia to evaluate something that they wanted money for. She came back and gave basically the story that she was told which was the biggest load of b.s. (Talk about getting scammed). So they're good for internal politics, but I wouldn't want them in any capacity to deal with foreign politics, tbh.
Well, I'll stop here because the conversation is going off in another direction.
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Nidifugous: Not at all. Your post sounds emotional, not factual.
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lifeisadream: They must have the same Accounting-Firm than the Vatican, perhaps.
The P2-Lodge?
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Dont know why people so worried that Erdogan spent a loosy billion on a presidental palace.Its nothing for a country which has 77 million population.He built it not just for himself also for the future.that Building will stay there and serve for Turkey for centuries.
Actions of Putin cost 200 billion to Russia thousands of death in the region in last 6 month and its getting worse.But no one complaining about him as much as they do about Erdogan.
Actions of Putin cost 200 billion to Russia thousands of death in the region in last 6 month and its getting worse.But no one complaining about him as much as they do about Erdogan.
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Nidifugous: Your father was a funny man Well, there is some truth to what he said, but that, too is another thread
Agree re the leftist politicians. Many are hypocrites. They'd probably get more support world-over if they weren't and if they had a plan how to actually manage a country esp. the finances and economics. For the time being, we need them just to keep a bit of balance.
The greens.. nice concept, but... Not so long ago, the green party head (a woman) went down to Serbia to evaluate something that they wanted money for. She came back and gave basically the story that she was told which was the biggest load of b.s. (Talk about getting scammed). So they're good for internal politics, but I wouldn't want them in any capacity to deal with foreign politics, tbh.
Well, I'll stop here because the conversation is going off in another direction.
Agree re the leftist politicians. Many are hypocrites. They'd probably get more support world-over if they weren't and if they had a plan how to actually manage a country esp. the finances and economics. For the time being, we need them just to keep a bit of balance.
The greens.. nice concept, but... Not so long ago, the green party head (a woman) went down to Serbia to evaluate something that they wanted money for. She came back and gave basically the story that she was told which was the biggest load of b.s. (Talk about getting scammed). So they're good for internal politics, but I wouldn't want them in any capacity to deal with foreign politics, tbh.
Well, I'll stop here because the conversation is going off in another direction.
My conclusion would be:
Hate no one.
Hate not any one’s culture.
And remember:
Nothing is forever.
Not even Erdogan.
Conrad73: The P2-Lodge?
Can you imagine the two of them as partners?
Would you worry Conrad?
I do not worry because I do support all religions and no-religions.
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In response to: I love architecture and mega structures.Recently Turkish President has moved to his newly build massive 1000 room presidental palace which is named Ak Saray( White Palace).
At first glance it didnt look too attractive to me.Its not as beautiful as Versallies but it has its own Ottoman style architecture.
I wonder what for will be used all those 1000 rooms.
What do you think?
At first glance it didnt look too attractive to me.Its not as beautiful as Versallies but it has its own Ottoman style architecture.
I wonder what for will be used all those 1000 rooms.
What do you think?
When the US sets up a puppet dictator, it's important that the majority of the people of the land hate the dictator. This keeps him closer to his US benefactors than to his own people.
Obscene extravagance in the face of widespread poverty is the surest way to accomplish this.
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It does fit him,Marie Anntoinete quote.
"""Let them eat cake"""
"""Let them eat cake"""
RayfromUSA: When the US sets up a puppet dictator, it's important that the majority of the people of the land hate the dictator. This keeps him closer to his US benefactors than to his own people.
Obscene extravagance in the face of widespread poverty is the surest way to accomplish this.
Obscene extravagance in the face of widespread poverty is the surest way to accomplish this.
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RayfromUSA: When the US sets up a puppet dictator, it's important that the majority of the people of the land hate the dictator. This keeps him closer to his US benefactors than to his own people.
Obscene extravagance in the face of widespread poverty is the surest way to accomplish this.
Obscene extravagance in the face of widespread poverty is the surest way to accomplish this.
Pretty sure the Louse accomplishes all that without the Input of the US!
You really need to come out of that Conspiracy-Hole,Ray!
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chris27292729: It does fit him,Marie Anntoinete quote.
"""Let them eat cake"""
"""Let them eat cake"""
Zhu Muzhi, president of the China Society for Human Rights Studies, asserts that Rousseau's version is an alteration of a much older anecdote: "An ancient Chinese emperor who, being told that his subjects didn't have enough rice to eat, replied, 'Why don't they eat meat?' (????????)" The phrase was attributed to Emperor Hui of Jin in Zizhi Tongjian.WIKI
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well there is already everything said about that what Erdogan achieve with many facts. So thanks to all the other people who wrote this facts!
Actual Erdogan isn't the prime minister anymore, he is the Federal President so that means he must be neutral. Unfortunately when he talks than he still say "we" regarding AK Party or he starts talks with "in our religion...."!!
So not every Turkish person is AK Party and we have so many different religions in Turkey! Like the mine disaster...the company of this disaster can participate in a public tender and get the energy project because they are from the party.
Last week I wrote a similar comment on the Charlie Hebdo thread and I have the feeling that this match also in this discussion (at some place):
It starts always with "my god...not your god" and than it continue with "OUR god...not your god" and the rest is history.
Nice quote from Winston Churchill about History:
"History is simple one damned thing after another"
I wrote here already about my personal life just to say: it is not a problem a people from different culture, religion, beliefs...etc can live together and become friends. Change your thoughts, change your life!
By the way a quote by Hafiz that I also love:
I Have Learned
So much from God
That I can no longer
Call Myself
A Christian, a Hindu, a Muslim,
A Buddhist, a Jew.
All what they did so far on the paper...or all this statistics, well I don't look at them and just look on the streets.
On paper everything is nice in real life.....the only winner are a couple of people from the party but not the whole nation. Very simple thing...you have an inflation rate below 10% but it is standard that prices of energy or food increase 3 to 4 times in a year and this up to 100%. There are no details needed it is just a simple example!
More and more of their bad work exposing everyday and it is always the same......instead of talking about this they start discussion about religion, patriotism......
The election of him last year but also before that happens with illegal tricks and it is not possible to judge them because now they have their own people in every possible position.
On national TV Erdogan get something like 240 minutes and his opponent only 90 seconds. Or it must be a very very big cat who was able to knock out the transformer of a whole district of Istanbul on election day. This was the comment of the Energy Minister....
I think all the facts are already on the table about this organisation but you will not find them in the newspaper or on CNN but on the streets. As everybody knows is that they already control the media.
If you become a weak,they will just eat you alive, my friend.Thats what all world powers about.I hope you will get what i m trying to say.