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May 15, 2016 9:44 AM CST The Brits are jumping ship
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Revealed: Where 5million Brits live abroad... from 1.3million in Australia to the four who have emigrated to San Marino


United Nations report shows a record 232million people are living outside country where they were born worldwide


More than 5million people born in the UK have emigrated, a quarter flying halfway round the world to live in Australia


Top 10 countries for Brits abroad includes USA, Canada, Spain, New Zealand, South Africa, Ireland, Germany and Italy

There are also 7.8million immigrants living in the UK, the fifth highest number of any country in the world



By MATT CHORLEY, MAILONLINE POLITICAL EDITOR
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May 15, 2016 9:49 AM CST The Brits are jumping ship
yubba
yubbayubbaCaspe, Aragon Spain11 Threads 1,962 Posts
There are also 7.8million immigrants living in the UK, the fifth highest number of any country in the world
By MATT CHORLEY, MAILONLINE POLITICAL EDITOR

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I jumped ship 27 years ago and have never returned, l will not either. The 7.8 million in the UK are the ones known and there are maybe 50% more under the radar, had the government done something about it things would be better in the UK but if the people do not put pressure on the government it will just get worse, no one is too interested in what happens in the UK so no one else should worry about it.
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May 15, 2016 9:55 AM CST The Brits are jumping ship
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
tomcatwarne: Revealed: Where 5million Brits live abroad... from 1.3million in Australia to the four who have emigrated to San MarinoUnited Nations report shows a record 232million people are living outside country where they were born worldwideMore than 5million people born in the UK have emigrated, a quarter flying halfway round the world to live in AustraliaTop 10 countries for Brits abroad includes USA, Canada, Spain, New Zealand, South Africa, Ireland, Germany and Italy

There are also 7.8million immigrants living in the UK, the fifth highest number of any country in the world
By MATT CHORLEY, MAILONLINE POLITICAL EDITOR


Cheap flights, more open borders and the need to find work in the wake of the financial crash mean more people live outside the country they were born in than ever before.

Last year a total of 232million people, or 3.2 per cent of the world’s total population, had moved to live in another country.

In 2000 the figure was only 175 million and just 154 million in 1990.

The total number of Brits living abroad rose 23 per cent from 4.1million in 1990 to 5million 2013.

Australia was the most popular destination, with 1.277million expats, well ahead of the US where 758,919 Britons live and Canada, home to 674,371.
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May 15, 2016 9:55 AM CST The Brits are jumping ship
Jimmy5IA
Jimmy5IAJimmy5IAWarrington, Cheshire, England UK59 Threads 2 Polls 1,013 Posts
tomcatwarne: Revealed: Where 5million Brits live abroad... from 1.3million in Australia to the four who have emigrated to San MarinoUnited Nations report shows a record 232million people are living outside country where they were born worldwideMore than 5million people born in the UK have emigrated, a quarter flying halfway round the world to live in AustraliaTop 10 countries for Brits abroad includes USA, Canada, Spain, New Zealand, South Africa, Ireland, Germany and Italy

There are also 7.8million immigrants living in the UK, the fifth highest number of any country in the world
By MATT CHORLEY, MAILONLINE POLITICAL EDITOR

I just came here for some benefits and soon I´m going home, thanks UK tax payerswave
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May 15, 2016 9:58 AM CST The Brits are jumping ship
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
tomcatwarne: Cheap flights, more open borders and the need to find work in the wake of the financial crash mean more people live outside the country they were born in than ever before.

Last year a total of 232million people, or 3.2 per cent of the world’s total population, had moved to live in another country.

In 2000 the figure was only 175 million and just 154 million in 1990.

The total number of Brits living abroad rose 23 per cent from 4.1million in 1990 to 5million 2013.

Australia was the most popular destination, with 1.277million expats, well ahead of the US where 758,919 Britons live and Canada, home to 674,371.


Spain remains the most popular European country to live in for Brits, followed by Ireland, Germany and Italy.

The biggest increases in emigration from the UK were mostly to eastern Europe, including countries which have since joined the European Union.

It includes a huge leap in the numbers in Slovakia, up from 34 to 4,276 in 13 years.

There were also large rises in the numbers in Bulgaria (up 5,000 per cent), Romania (1,240 per cent), Czech Republic (1,170 per cent), Latvia (1,116 per cent), Hungary (1,019 per cent) and Poland (892 per cent).
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May 15, 2016 2:01 PM CST The Brits are jumping ship
rebel2
rebel2rebel2Alicante, Valencia Spain8 Threads 6,354 Posts
Yes, a lot of Brits do leave, but that is nothing new. They have been settling in many different countries for hundreds of years for various reasons.
People from other countries also re-locate, again for various different reasons.
Granted there are those that have left because they do not like there own countries political policies, immigration ect but anyone can make figures suit there own political agenda.
I left the UK for non of those reasons as I suspect many others did.
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May 15, 2016 11:59 PM CST The Brits are jumping ship
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
tomcatwarne: Revealed: Where 5million Brits live abroad... from 1.3million in Australia to the four who have emigrated to San MarinoUnited Nations report shows a record 232million people are living outside country where they were born worldwideMore than 5million people born in the UK have emigrated, a quarter flying halfway round the world to live in AustraliaTop 10 countries for Brits abroad includes USA, Canada, Spain, New Zealand, South Africa, Ireland, Germany and Italy

There are also 7.8million immigrants living in the UK, the fifth highest number of any country in the world
By MATT CHORLEY, MAILONLINE POLITICAL EDITOR
yeah still doing it , pommystanies been jumping ship since the 1500's , a few more won't matter .
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May 16, 2016 12:12 AM CST The Brits are jumping ship
for quite few years the whole Australian economy relied on migration to tick over, since 1980's more than 10 million immigrants parted with there wealth for home, car and family court judges and lawyers annuities
Upwards from two-Bob POME to Chinese millions fat cats love-ya
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May 16, 2016 12:18 AM CST The Brits are jumping ship
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
robplum: for quite few years the whole Australian economy relied on migration to tick over, since 1980's more than 10 million immigrants parted with there wealth for home, car and family court judges and lawyers annuities
Upwards from two-Bob POME to Chinese millions fat cats love-ya
ours still does , nothing like 60000 Chinese methamphetamine importers moving here every year to get our economy bubbling along .
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May 16, 2016 12:49 AM CST The Brits are jumping ship
Whanau without Aloha
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May 16, 2016 1:18 AM CST The Brits are jumping ship
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
epirb: ours still does , nothing like 60000 Chinese methamphetamine importers moving here every year to get our economy bubbling along .
... and whats more our deAr leaDer john el Key can be proud that NZ has 60 of the 100 fraudsters, embezzlers , money launders , expat Chinese that the Chinese want to "talk to" living here under "protection" from/of our government . Latest trade trip has china buying our chilled lamb in exchange for expats wanted . That's a good deal , I'd do that deal . Something about the Chinese wanting to see how loud the expats yelp is slowing down the process .
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May 16, 2016 1:22 AM CST The Brits are jumping ship
Where are all these people going?

Are all nations of all countries changing colors AGAIN?
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May 16, 2016 4:26 AM CST The Brits are jumping ship
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
People migrate for many reasons, apart from financial and political.

Many just simply want to experience life in a different country, culture or just to have an adventure.

Migration has happened since pre-historic times, and will always happen.
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May 16, 2016 4:29 AM CST The Brits are jumping ship
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
mollybaby: People migrate for many reasons, apart from financial and political.

Many just simply want to experience life in a different country, culture or just to have an adventure.

Migration has happened since pre-historic times, and will always happen.


Why are so many of us leaving Britain?
Is it the crap weather? The lack of affordable housing? The far-reaching ramifications of colonialism smoothing our way as we migrate around the world?
A combination of the above? Whatever the reason, according to a new report from the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, Britain has a greater proportion of its citizens living overseas than any other European country.

As a recent British economic immigrant to the Netherlands, it doesn’t surprise me that the issue of British-born immigrants is widely ignored by anti-immigration factions in the UK.

It’s a highly inconvenient truth that 3.97 million British citizens were living abroad in 2010 - and since then their numbers have grown to the point that the House of Lords are currently debating whether overseas Brits should be able to vote in the EU referendum.

We are many and mighty, with enough voting clout to swing a decision. No wonder Ukip are reluctant to draw attention to us.

Madeleine Sumption, the director of the University of Oxford Migration Observatory, has been quoted in The Times saying: “We normally think of the UK mainly as a destination for migrants, but it also has a long history of emigration... The OECD data suggest that Brits are more mobile than many other countries with similar levels of development, like Germany, France or the United States.”
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May 16, 2016 4:48 AM CST The Brits are jumping ship
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
tomcatwarne: Why are so many of us leaving Britain?
Is it the crap weather? The lack of affordable housing? The far-reaching ramifications of colonialism smoothing our way as we migrate around the world?
A combination of the above? Whatever the reason, according to a new report from the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, Britain has a greater proportion of its citizens living overseas than any other European country.

As a recent British economic immigrant to the Netherlands, it doesn’t surprise me that the issue of British-born immigrants is widely ignored by anti-immigration factions in the UK.

It’s a highly inconvenient truth that 3.97 million British citizens were living abroad in 2010 - and since then their numbers have grown to the point that the House of Lords are currently debating whether overseas Brits should be able to vote in the EU referendum.

We are many and mighty, with enough voting clout to swing a decision. No wonder Ukip are reluctant to draw attention to us.

Madeleine Sumption, the director of the University of Oxford Migration Observatory, has been quoted in The Times saying: “We normally think of the UK mainly as a destination for migrants, but it also has a long history of emigration... The OECD data suggest that Brits are more mobile than many other countries with similar levels of development, like Germany, France or the United States.”


English-speaking people (apart from Americans) tend to travel more than others, because English is spoken more in every country, and thus is easier to get employment and fit in socially.
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May 16, 2016 4:59 AM CST The Brits are jumping ship
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
mollybaby: English-speaking people (apart from Americans) tend to travel more than others, because English is spoken more in every country, and thus is easier to get employment and fit in socially.


BY ALEX HAMMOND · MARCH 6, 2014

Five hundred years ago, between five and seven million people spoke English, almost all of them living in the British Isles. Now, anywhere up to 1.8 billion people around the world speak English.

How did this happen?

The growth of English has nothing to do with the structure of the language, or any inherent qualities, and everything to do with politics.

The British Empire
After developing for almost a millennium on the British Isles, English was taken around the world by the sailors, soldiers, pilgrims, traders and missionaries of the British Empire. By the time anything resembling a language policy was introduced, English had already reached all corners of the globe.

For example, English-speaking puritans were not the only Europeans to arrive in North America: Spanish, French, Dutch and German were also widely spoken. All of the languages were reinforced by waves of immigration from Europe in the following centuries.

But in the process of designing a “United” States, the USA’s founders knew the importance of language for national identity. English was the majority language and had to be encouraged. As recently as the start of the 20th Century, several states banned the teaching of foreign languages in private schools and homes. The U.S. Supreme Court only struck down restrictions on private language education in 1923.

Even today, English is not the official language of the USA, but there is no question that it is the dominant language in practice.

And it wasn’t just America that said “hello” to English. At one point in the early twentieth century, the British Empire expanded across almost a quarter of the world’s surface, not including the USA. According to a popular saying, “the sun never set on the British Empire”.
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May 16, 2016 5:02 AM CST The Brits are jumping ship
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
tomcatwarne: BY ALEX HAMMOND · MARCH 6, 2014

Five hundred years ago, between five and seven million people spoke English, almost all of them living in the British Isles. Now, anywhere up to 1.8 billion people around the world speak English.

How did this happen?

The growth of English has nothing to do with the structure of the language, or any inherent qualities, and everything to do with politics.

The British Empire
After developing for almost a millennium on the British Isles, English was taken around the world by the sailors, soldiers, pilgrims, traders and missionaries of the British Empire. By the time anything resembling a language policy was introduced, English had already reached all corners of the globe.

For example, English-speaking puritans were not the only Europeans to arrive in North America: Spanish, French, Dutch and German were also widely spoken. All of the languages were reinforced by waves of immigration from Europe in the following centuries.

But in the process of designing a “United” States, the USA’s founders knew the importance of language for national identity. English was the majority language and had to be encouraged. As recently as the start of the 20th Century, several states banned the teaching of foreign languages in private schools and homes. The U.S. Supreme Court only struck down restrictions on private language education in 1923.

Even today, English is not the official language of the USA, but there is no question that it is the dominant language in practice.

And it wasn’t just America that said “hello” to English. At one point in the early twentieth century, the British Empire expanded across almost a quarter of the world’s surface, not including the USA. According to a popular saying, “the sun never set on the British Empire”.


Thanks for letting me know that. I'd never have known otherwise ..laugh
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May 16, 2016 5:10 AM CST The Brits are jumping ship
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
mollybaby: Thanks for letting me know that. I'd never have known otherwise ..


Always glad to help a Cork Lass
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May 16, 2016 6:45 AM CST The Brits are jumping ship
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
tomcatwarne: Revealed: Where 5million Brits live abroad... from 1.3million in Australia to the four who have emigrated to San MarinoUnited Nations report shows a record 232million people are living outside country where they were born worldwideMore than 5million people born in the UK have emigrated, a quarter flying halfway round the world to live in AustraliaTop 10 countries for Brits abroad includes USA, Canada, Spain, New Zealand, South Africa, Ireland, Germany and Italy

There are also 7.8million immigrants living in the UK, the fifth highest number of any country in the world
By MATT CHORLEY, MAILONLINE POLITICAL EDITOR



Is there one simple explanation why so many Brits have jumped ship?


dunno
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May 16, 2016 6:56 AM CST The Brits are jumping ship
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
galrads: Is there one simple explanation why so many Brits have jumped ship?



Why do people leave Blighty? The statistics suggest most of them want a better job and life prospects. Work-related reasons continue to be the main reason given for emigration, accounting for 56% of emigrants. They were the reason 180,000 people left in 2014, and 187,000 left the year before that.
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There were 33,000 emigrants who said their main reason for leaving was "going home to live", comprising 18,000 EU citizens and 14,000 from non-EU nations. Emigrants were most keen to get away in 2008, with 62,000 fleeing, which is unsurprising considering it marked the start of the economic crunch.
There have been around 30,000 people leaving Britain every year to accompany or join relatives elsewhere. Others emigrate as they have finished their studies, with 25,000 leaving last year, marginally more than the 22,000 the year before, indicating that Britain's universities have been attracting more foreign students.
What about the ex-pats who wanted to live out their retirement in a nice villa in somewhere like Spain or France? They could well be represented among the 52,000 people who left last year for un-stated reasons, or the 38,000 "other" emigrants.
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