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Oct 23, 2016 6:39 AM CST Gender discrimination
UsernameTaken123
UsernameTaken123UsernameTaken123Cairns, Queensland Australia2 Threads 66 Posts
I see these television commercials about equal pay for genders.
On a general knote I totally agree that two people doing the same job with the same capabilities should be paid the same amount.( just so happens under awards they are)
So is it only the higher tier( White-collar) workers that this is based on? And if so is it a generalisation or averaging of a males working life Vs a females.
Not planning on gender bashing but would appreciate input.
"I will make a difference when I get older if I remember".
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Oct 26, 2016 4:28 AM CST Gender discrimination
Rumples
RumplesRumplesManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK592 Posts
UsernameTaken123: I see these television commercials about equal pay for genders.
On a general knote I totally agree that two people doing the same job with the same capabilities should be paid the same amount.( just so happens under awards they are)
So is it only the higher tier( White-collar) workers that this is based on? And if so is it a generalisation or averaging of a males working life Vs a females.
Not planning on gender bashing but would appreciate input.
"I will make a difference when I get older if I remember".


Equal for less stress. Equal pay for less risk. Equal pay for less danger. All in all it's equal pay for less work.

Women will not be the financial equals of men until such time where the majority of work is redundant and rather than paying people for what their labour is worth on the market we give people free money as a provision to survive on. When the "wage" is based on entitlement and not contribution women will be our economic equals.
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Oct 26, 2016 4:38 AM CST Gender discrimination
Rumples
RumplesRumplesManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK592 Posts
Rumples: Equal for less stress. Equal pay for less risk. Equal pay for less danger. All in all it's equal pay for less work.

Women will not be the financial equals of men until such time where the majority of work is redundant and rather than paying people for what their labour is worth on the market we give people free money as a provision to survive on. When the "wage" is based on entitlement and not contribution women will be our economic equals.


Through a rather complex arrangement of laws, regulations and industry we do this already to a modest extent.
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Oct 26, 2016 4:42 AM CST Gender discrimination
Rumples
RumplesRumplesManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK592 Posts
Rumples: Through a rather complex arrangement of laws, regulations and industry we do this already to a modest extent.


And it might not be the death knoll of civilisation. One of the greatest nations on earth(America)was founded on giving everyone a free farm.
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Oct 26, 2016 5:00 AM CST Gender discrimination
Rumples
RumplesRumplesManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK592 Posts
Rumples: Equal for less stress. Equal pay for less risk. Equal pay for less danger. All in all it's equal pay for less work.

Women will not be the financial equals of men until such time where the majority of work is redundant and rather than paying people for what their labour is worth on the market we give people free money as a provision to survive on. When the "wage" is based on entitlement and not contribution women will be our economic equals.


When my kids or maybe grandkids are my age people will not be paid based on bringing home the bacon.

In the egalitarian future women don't become economic men in a man's world, rather, we all effectively become the housewife with a robot for a husband.
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Oct 26, 2016 5:12 AM CST Gender discrimination
Rumples
RumplesRumplesManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK592 Posts
Rumples: When my kids or maybe grandkids are my age people will not be paid based on bringing home the bacon.

In the egalitarian future women don't become economic men in a man's world, rather, we all effectively become the housewife with a robot for a husband.


And within this there will be a housewife elite with the extremes of intelligence or wealth to support or control the robots. "Careers" will belong only to people with an IQ greater than 120 and to people whose parents have multiple millions of dollars in the bank.

What "work" there will be come from the gig economy, the flexible economy, where it's simply a case of tasks which are too small or petty to design and manufacture a robot for. A lot of this work will be surprisingly blue collar yet insufficient to draw a living wage from which is why the idea of giving out free money will become increasingly popular.
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Oct 26, 2016 5:33 AM CST Gender discrimination
Rumples
RumplesRumplesManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK592 Posts
Rumples: And within this there will be a housewife elite with the extremes of intelligence or wealth to support or control the robots. "Careers" will belong only to people with an IQ greater than 120 and to people whose parents have multiple millions of dollars in the bank.

What "work" there will be come from the gig economy, the flexible economy, where it's simply a case of tasks which are too small or petty to design and manufacture a robot for. A lot of this work will be surprisingly blue collar yet insufficient to draw a living wage from which is why the idea of giving out free money will become increasingly popular.


One of the greatest dangers in this is how we've changed education over the years from being about broad curriculum and forming well-rounded adults into one of specialising skills and maximising employability. We've gone from civilised education to well-tailored cog in the machine programming yet there's diminishing need and return for human cogs in the machine.
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Oct 26, 2016 5:53 AM CST Gender discrimination
Rumples
RumplesRumplesManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK592 Posts
Rumples: One of the greatest dangers in this is how we've changed education over the years from being about broad curriculum and forming well-rounded adults into one of specialising skills and maximising employability. We've gone from civilised education to well-tailored cog in the machine programming yet there's diminishing need and return for human cogs in the machine.


Modern education develops people to serve one purpose alone like an ant in a hive which cannot cognise what the rest of the hive is doing. It helps those in control to live a in society where the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing, yet this is incidental, the truth is that education people into specialised fits an economy which is complex yet remains to be entirely(or almost)automated. Modern education, fluffy pee-cee rhetoric aside, is there to churn out a workforce and not educate someone into a civilised human being. The purpose and objective of education has shifted heavily to the right even if the discipline and rhetoric in schools has shifted to the left. The results of education in the economy are all right wing.

No doubt a lot this change comes from the rise of China where the national culture itself is essentially a corporate hive and each individual is specified for a set task. We're matching that drone way of being which is a dangerous thing as soon as robots outperform the drones.
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Oct 26, 2016 6:11 AM CST Gender discrimination
Rumples
RumplesRumplesManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK592 Posts
Rumples: Modern education develops people to serve one purpose alone like an ant in a hive which cannot cognise what the rest of the hive is doing. It helps those in control to live a in society where the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing, yet this is incidental, the truth is that education people into specialised fits an economy which is complex yet remains to be entirely(or almost)automated. Modern education, fluffy pee-cee rhetoric aside, is there to churn out a workforce and not educate someone into a civilised human being. The purpose and objective of education has shifted heavily to the right even if the discipline and rhetoric in schools has shifted to the left. The results of education in the economy are all right wing.

No doubt a lot this change comes from the rise of China where the national culture itself is essentially a corporate hive and each individual is specified for a set task. We're matching that drone way of being which is a dangerous thing as soon as robots outperform the drones.


Perhaps unfair to characterise the purpose of modern education as right wing. Many conservatives and religious types believe in civilised education and well-rounded adults. Studying the bible is about instilling moral virtues and preparing you for life in a civilised society, not about training you for a job. No, it's an extreme part of the economic right which came to the fore in the 1980s and places no value on morality and therefore the sole point of education is creating a workforce.
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Oct 26, 2016 6:28 AM CST Gender discrimination
Rumples
RumplesRumplesManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK592 Posts
Rumples: Perhaps unfair to characterise the purpose of modern education as right wing. Many conservatives and religious types believe in civilised education and well-rounded adults. Studying the bible is about instilling moral virtues and preparing you for life in a civilised society, not about training you for a job. No, it's an extreme part of the economic right which came to the fore in the 1980s and places no value on morality and therefore the sole point of education is creating a workforce.


Women's lib compounds the problem because instead of changing the nature of how things work we jostle and fight between ourselves in a drone war. Women being reactionary by nature as a submissive follower, see men ensnared in the rat race and think "no, I don't want to go straight to the finish line on my enormous bike, I'd much rather run around in the rat race with men and all the other rats". Women's lib has triggered a conflict between the ordinary drones and it is through feminism that the human species escapes sentience.
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Oct 26, 2016 7:35 AM CST Gender discrimination
KremaP
KremaPKremaPAt home, Shumen Bulgaria3,793 Posts
Gender discrimination is far more complicated matter nowadays in my opinion...
It's not man against woman anymore, we have all the rest of the gender insinuations pushed onto us as they are really normal.
Third, fourth and so on genders...unbelievable...when they are only isolated cases.
Shouting out for rights when there is no need for that is nonsense.
Equality is illusion that provokes destruction.
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Oct 26, 2016 8:30 AM CST Gender discrimination
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
Are you still talking to yourself??


laugh
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Oct 26, 2016 8:43 AM CST Gender discrimination
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
mollybaby: Are you still talking to yourself??




Well Molly he'll always have someone to talk too and never be lonely.giggle
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Oct 26, 2016 8:43 AM CST Gender discrimination
metamorphic
metamorphicmetamorphicKilkenny, Ireland84 Posts
mollybaby: Are you still talking to yourself??

laugh
shush, is't going to be a master piece...nerd writing giggle
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Oct 31, 2016 5:04 PM CST Gender discrimination
UsernameTaken123
UsernameTaken123UsernameTaken123Cairns, Queensland Australia2 Threads 66 Posts
mollybaby: Are you still talking to yourself??

sleep yawn
thumbs up
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Oct 31, 2016 5:06 PM CST Gender discrimination
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
metamorphic: shush, is't going to be a master piece...


He and Rumples make a great couple
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Oct 31, 2016 6:37 PM CST Gender discrimination
UsernameTaken123: I see these television commercials about equal pay for genders.
On a general knote I totally agree that two people doing the same job with the same capabilities should be paid the same amount.( just so happens under awards they are)
So is it only the higher tier( White-collar) workers that this is based on? And if so is it a generalisation or averaging of a males working life Vs a females.
Not planning on gender bashing but would appreciate input.
"I will make a difference when I get older if I remember".
I would agree without hesitation regarding equal pay for equal work. My observations might contrast to many regarding many other aspects of the "gender" question and commentary. I believe that men in the United States are treated very badly, especially in the legal system. The police are frequently exponentially rude to male citizens. Judges are unnecessarily harsh to single fathers. Employers are quicker to write up male workers for exact same errors. Landlords are more reluctant to rent to single young men. Gender inequality abounds in unfairness to men in the United States.
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Nov 7, 2016 6:39 AM CST Gender discrimination
UsernameTaken123
UsernameTaken123UsernameTaken123Cairns, Queensland Australia2 Threads 66 Posts
rohaan: I would agree without hesitation regarding equal pay for equal work. My observations might contrast to many regarding many other aspects of the "gender" question and commentary. I believe that men in the United States are treated very badly, especially in the legal system. The police are frequently exponentially rude to male citizens. Judges are unnecessarily harsh to single fathers. Employers are quicker to write up male workers for exact same errors. Landlords are more reluctant to rent to single young men. Gender inequality abounds in unfairness to men in the United States.

Unfortunately that opens up to a whole different ball game.
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Nov 8, 2016 4:42 PM CST Gender discrimination
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
and across multiple threads and still making no sense

Hey, Webby ... can we have an entire section devoted to 'Rumples's Rambles?"

rolling on the floor laughing
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Nov 9, 2016 6:44 PM CST Gender discrimination
HexagonKeySet: and across multiple threads and still making no sense

Hey, Webby ... can we have an entire section devoted to 'Rumples's Rambles?"
sigh

just walk around it or away from it. It seems destined to stay.......
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