How many people have actually heard Mr Putin speak - vs got their opinion from others? (37)
Rather than what he or anyone else says, it is best to judge Putin from his actions and (in)ability to get results.
Being a venal cesspool of cynicism and corruption - cynicism being like atheism where the void of disbelief comes to be filled by a passionate intensity for the unreal. Astrology, reincarnation, mysticism and faith in a strongman: these are all beliefs for people whose value system has failed - Putin is right for the Russian state of mind and it's context of a completely failed value system.
Yet Putin's failings in Syria, as well as failings internal to Russia, put me off the idea of seeing him as any kind of role model for other countries. Stalin would have got the job done in Syria.
Being a venal cesspool of cynicism and corruption - cynicism being like atheism where the void of disbelief comes to be filled by a passionate intensity for the unreal. Astrology, reincarnation, mysticism and faith in a strongman: these are all beliefs for people whose value system has failed - Putin is right for the Russian state of mind and it's context of a completely failed value system.
Yet Putin's failings in Syria, as well as failings internal to Russia, put me off the idea of seeing him as any kind of role model for other countries. Stalin would have got the job done in Syria.
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Rumples: Rather than what he or anyone else says, it is best to judge Putin from his actions and (in)ability to get results.
Being a venal cesspool of cynicism and corruption - cynicism being like atheism where the void of disbelief comes to be filled by a passionate intensity for the unreal. Astrology, reincarnation, mysticism and faith in a strongman: these are all beliefs for people whose value system has failed - Putin is right for the Russian state of mind and it's context of a completely failed value system.
Yet Putin's failings in Syria, as well as failings internal to Russia, put me off the idea of seeing him as any kind of role model for other countries. Stalin would have got the job done in Syria.
Being a venal cesspool of cynicism and corruption - cynicism being like atheism where the void of disbelief comes to be filled by a passionate intensity for the unreal. Astrology, reincarnation, mysticism and faith in a strongman: these are all beliefs for people whose value system has failed - Putin is right for the Russian state of mind and it's context of a completely failed value system.
Yet Putin's failings in Syria, as well as failings internal to Russia, put me off the idea of seeing him as any kind of role model for other countries. Stalin would have got the job done in Syria.
I mean Trump openly runs on a platform of decline, and forgetting the rights and wrongs of it, the appeal of this is to the cynical mind. Same as Putin. Trump is admitting that America isn't great whilst others keep very much insisting that she is, yet when America was great nobody had to keep saying it because greatness speaks for itself.
To claim greatness for yourself is like saying you've got a GSOH - if it was true you wouldn't say it.
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Rumples: I mean Trump openly runs on a platform of decline, and forgetting the rights and wrongs of it, the appeal of this is to the cynical mind. Same as Putin. Trump is admitting that America isn't great whilst others keep very much insisting that she is, yet when America was great nobody had to keep saying it because greatness speaks for itself.
To claim greatness for yourself is like saying you've got a GSOH - if it was true you wouldn't say it.
To claim greatness for yourself is like saying you've got a GSOH - if it was true you wouldn't say it.
What I'd like to see is a relatively progressive and hopeful opponent of neo-liberalism and mass-immigration which appeals to the young and those naturally looking forward to the future.
Rather than anything specific Trump says being the problem I'm much more concerned by the cynical death force of Trumpsters and how they're borrowing all their hope and self-esteem from the leader. They can't criticise the man because their sense of ambition and self-worth comes from the man. I'm concerned that there are not enough naturally confident people supporting Trump of the mind and character to criticise him. Trump has become a movement of cynical sycophancy which I don't see ending very well.
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Rumples: What I'd like to see is a relatively progressive and hopeful opponent of neo-liberalism and mass-immigration which appeals to the young and those naturally looking forward to the future.
Rather than anything specific Trump says being the problem I'm much more concerned by the cynical death force of Trumpsters and how they're borrowing all their hope and self-esteem from the leader. They can't criticise the man because their sense of ambition and self-worth comes from the man. I'm concerned that there are not enough naturally confident people supporting Trump of the mind and character to criticise him. Trump has become a movement of cynical sycophancy which I don't see ending very well.
Rather than anything specific Trump says being the problem I'm much more concerned by the cynical death force of Trumpsters and how they're borrowing all their hope and self-esteem from the leader. They can't criticise the man because their sense of ambition and self-worth comes from the man. I'm concerned that there are not enough naturally confident people supporting Trump of the mind and character to criticise him. Trump has become a movement of cynical sycophancy which I don't see ending very well.
Trump men have become yes men and it's demoralising to say the least. And it might seem strange that people at one time suspicious of all things become yes men, but it's human nature. People who believe nothing and trust no one do so because they don't know what to believe and from this position any belief is possible no matter how implausible.
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Rumples: You know the film Rambo came out precisely at the time when men could no longer play sports and throw a punch etc. Hypermasculinity became a thing in rhetoric and media when men stopped being men. The difference between Rambo and John Wayne is back on this point of having to insist upon yourself. John Wayne didn't insist upon himself as a man precisely because that's what he was.
Anyway, I'm willing to bet that a lot of people who like Trump also liked the Rambo films and are of this type who isn't a man anymore and so strongly insists that he is.
Anyway, I'm willing to bet that a lot of people who like Trump also liked the Rambo films and are of this type who isn't a man anymore and so strongly insists that he is.
You see what happens is that when society becomes white collar and pen-pusher and salesmen and brands rule the day men feel the need to become extra ruthless and competitive. Because what they actually do is so not masculine they have to find a hypermasculine way of going about it - think of yuppies.
And that was the 1980s and ever since. When we swapped manly jobs for weasel and womanly jobs we started to started to put a very self-conscious and conspicuous effort into looking and sounding like men. Rambo became popular in film when real men became redundant in reality.
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Rumples: You see what happens is that when society becomes white collar and pen-pusher and salesmen and brands rule the day men feel the need to become extra ruthless and competitive. Because what they actually do is so not masculine they have to find a hypermasculine way of going about it - think of yuppies.
And that was the 1980s and ever since. When we swapped manly jobs for weasel and womanly jobs we started to started to put a very self-conscious and conspicuous effort into looking and sounding like men. Rambo became popular in film when real men became redundant in reality.
And that was the 1980s and ever since. When we swapped manly jobs for weasel and womanly jobs we started to started to put a very self-conscious and conspicuous effort into looking and sounding like men. Rambo became popular in film when real men became redundant in reality.
The girly and weasly nature of modern jobs has created an inferiority-complex amongst men analogous to small man syndrome. Men being salesmen and cubicle farmers is driving ruthlessness as competition is the only remaining measure of being a man in a world of weasel work.
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Yes, I do listen to him and I don't need a translation as I speak Russian...
The Eastern Europeans have one advantage against the West, we have been on both sides and we can clearly see their faults...and the corruption is the same, it's just dressed and addressed differently...
What works for one can not be expected to work for all, time to put this in our minds and move on...
The Eastern Europeans have one advantage against the West, we have been on both sides and we can clearly see their faults...and the corruption is the same, it's just dressed and addressed differently...
What works for one can not be expected to work for all, time to put this in our minds and move on...
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Rumples: Rather than what he or anyone else says, it is best to judge Putin from his actions and (in)ability to get results.
Being a venal cesspool of cynicism and corruption - cynicism being like atheism where the void of disbelief comes to be filled by a passionate intensity for the unreal. Astrology, reincarnation, mysticism and faith in a strongman: these are all beliefs for people whose value system has failed - Putin is right for the Russian state of mind and it's context of a completely failed value system.
Yet Putin's failings in Syria, as well as failings internal to Russia, put me off the idea of seeing him as any kind of role model for other countries. Stalin would have got the job done in Syria.
Being a venal cesspool of cynicism and corruption - cynicism being like atheism where the void of disbelief comes to be filled by a passionate intensity for the unreal. Astrology, reincarnation, mysticism and faith in a strongman: these are all beliefs for people whose value system has failed - Putin is right for the Russian state of mind and it's context of a completely failed value system.
Yet Putin's failings in Syria, as well as failings internal to Russia, put me off the idea of seeing him as any kind of role model for other countries. Stalin would have got the job done in Syria.
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KremaP: Yes, I do listen to him and I don't need a translation as I speak Russian...
The Eastern Europeans have one advantage against the West, we have been on both sides and we can clearly see their faults...and the corruption is the same, it's just dressed and addressed differently...
What works for one can not be expected to work for all, time to put this in our minds and move on...
The Eastern Europeans have one advantage against the West, we have been on both sides and we can clearly see their faults...and the corruption is the same, it's just dressed and addressed differently...
What works for one can not be expected to work for all, time to put this in our minds and move on...
Krema
(I tried to mail you but blocked), anyways nice to see you.My question to you is that in response to the OP making Putin like a good being. What do you think? I do believe he is a manipulator and a very greed induced politician just like most of them are.
But in reality he doesn't care for the common subject of his country. They are disposable as everyone else.
Worst than anyone. mo.
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lindsyjones: Krema (I tried to mail you but blocked), anyways nice to see you.
My question to you is that in response to the OP making Putin like a good being. What do you think? I do believe he is a manipulator and a very greed induced politician just like most of them are.
But in reality he doesn't care for the common subject of his country. They are disposable as everyone else.
Worst than anyone. mo.
My question to you is that in response to the OP making Putin like a good being. What do you think? I do believe he is a manipulator and a very greed induced politician just like most of them are.
But in reality he doesn't care for the common subject of his country. They are disposable as everyone else.
Worst than anyone. mo.
Hi Lindsy,
sorry, I do have the USA blocked, but I'll send you a mail to unblock you...
And to answer your question,
well, to be a good politician you have to be a bit "cruel", because not everything your people may feel is right for them is actually right...
We are very different, the East and the West, and as I mentioned in my previous post it's hardly likely for you to understand us...
If I have to compare Hilary and Putin, I'd say they are like the Big Bad Wolf and the Little Red Riding hood (following the name order)
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lindsyjones: Krema (I tried to mail you but blocked), anyways nice to see you.
My question to you is that in response to the OP making Putin like a good being. What do you think? I do believe he is a manipulator and a very greed induced politician just like most of them are.
But in reality he doesn't care for the common subject of his country. They are disposable as everyone else.
Worst than anyone. mo.
My question to you is that in response to the OP making Putin like a good being. What do you think? I do believe he is a manipulator and a very greed induced politician just like most of them are.
But in reality he doesn't care for the common subject of his country. They are disposable as everyone else.
Worst than anyone. mo.
By the way I am blocked by your mail settings too...
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KremaP: By the way I am blocked by your mail settings too...
lol...okay this new format is driving me crazy. I will try to unblock your country. The funny thing is that with the new format I can't block my country of origin which is the US and now I am receiving so many unwanted mails....lol
Now I lived in Europe albeit not too long, but I do understand how different our countries are, politically, socially and even with economy. But the basic principles of freedom and security remain constant to all of us.
I just know that Russia is most undesirable for me to even visit because of its position opposite all our principles.
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lindsyjones: lol...okay this new format is driving me crazy. I will try to unblock your country. The funny thing is that with the new format I can't block my country of origin which is the US and now I am receiving so many unwanted mails....lol
Now I lived in Europe albeit not too long, but I do understand how different our countries are, politically, socially and even with economy. But the basic principles of freedom and security remain constant to all of us.
I just know that Russia is most undesirable for me to even visit because of its position opposite all our principles.
Now I lived in Europe albeit not too long, but I do understand how different our countries are, politically, socially and even with economy. But the basic principles of freedom and security remain constant to all of us.
I just know that Russia is most undesirable for me to even visit because of its position opposite all our principles.
Oh Lindsy,
visiting some places in Russia is a must, believe me...
I don't know why you see it so different, principle wise?!
Can you believe that there are people who despise your country? And how does it make you feel?
From my own experience I know that the propaganda is still extremely strong from your side, I think your government wants you to fear and hate Russia so they can do whatever they want and get away with it...
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I took away a number of Rumples Rambles posts ... he'd gotten way off topic and was replying to himself multiple times!
I make no apology !
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I make no apology !
:-)
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HexagonKeySet: I took away a number of Rumples Rambles posts ... he'd gotten way off topic and was replying to himself multiple times!
I make no apology !
:-)
I make no apology !
:-)
maybe you can use that shovel I sent you,
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That doesn't answer the question Raph ... but then you're Rumples the Rambler in that you're rarely ON TOPIC !
The question was 'Have you ever listened to Mr Putin speak - or ar you given your opinion by others ?
As Trey Gowdy would you tell you "This is NOT a difficult question sir!"
The question was 'Have you ever listened to Mr Putin speak - or ar you given your opinion by others ?
As Trey Gowdy would you tell you "This is NOT a difficult question sir!"
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HexagonKeySet: That doesn't answer the question Raph ... but then you're Rumples the Rambler in that you're rarely ON TOPIC !
The question was 'Have you ever listened to Mr Putin speak - or ar you given your opinion by others ?
As Trey Gowdy would you tell you "This is NOT a difficult question sir!"
The question was 'Have you ever listened to Mr Putin speak - or ar you given your opinion by others ?
As Trey Gowdy would you tell you "This is NOT a difficult question sir!"
to stay on topic, of course ive heard my speak and hes very intelligent. Hes also dependent on Russia to keep him in office and their taste for conquest is very dangerous.
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raphael119: to stay on topic, of course ive heard my speak and hes very intelligent. Hes also dependent on Russia to keep him in office and their taste for conquest is very dangerous.
Well Done Raphael ... we can even agree he's an intelligent man and of course he's dependent upon Russia to keep him in office - after all, he IS the ELECTED PRESIDENT of RUSSIA.
Perhaps you were thinking of the 'more usual' situation in todays world ( Ukraine springs to mind ) where the government is NOT elected at the the whim of the people but rather (like many other places) the puppets of the USA.
So, now tell me please about " Russia's very dangerous taste for conquest "
A list of places they have invaded would be useful ... or, did you just drop back into nonsense mode all over again ?
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Y'know Lindsy, while the USA has been exporting jobs, increasing it's absolute reliance on Chinese imports, spending billions on FEMA camps, buying enough ammunition for HS to last a hundred years of 'average use to date' and bombing the crap out of any country that didn't want to play by 'YOUR Rules' and radically reducing the standard of living of the US middle and working classes Mr Putin has quietly supported Russian manufacturing, supported the Russian car industry, seen VW and other automakers build plants in Russia, overseen a large number of infrastructure projects in the country, hauled many of the countries business leaders over the coals and told then 'PAY YOUR TAXES', he's removed the corrupt US Seven Sisters oil cartel from Russia and ended the unfair 'product sharing agreements', he's rid Russia of many of the (esp US) NGOs that were in fact creating anti Russian propaganda in the country and he's considerably improved BOTH the countries economic status while at the same improving the incomes and dtandards of living of the Russian people ... and he's working on 're-Russianising the Russian constitution after Gorbachev allowed American 'advisors' to 'americanise' it.
And I guess the Big Thing over any wester / european leader or politician is that he has a genuine and sincere love for the the Russian people and they love him back!
The question was 'Have you heard him speak or do you rely on the opinions of others in the press for your opinion' ... plainly you;re in the latter category eh ?
Putin works on values ... to date ( certainly since Eissehower handed over the reins) the US Govt have only looked at the monetary value of the next deal, how far they could meddle in the affairs of sovereign states and who they could con next by inserting puppet leaders!
You have to recall that The Big Baddies of the last 30 years were US trained inserts ... Osama Bin Laden was trained by the CIA and was waging a proxy war in Afghanistan ... when Regan conned Gorbachev the CIA stopped paying him, cut off his supplies and figured he'd be killed in short order - hmmm, so much for the Central INTELLIGENCE Agency eh ? And don't think he was ever 'really' the enemy ... the Bin Laden family ( his parents and siblings have massive business links with the Bush family and were at the Bush ranch when 9/11 went down. The ONLY plane to fly after the grounding order made was ... yup, the Bin Laden family jet!
Likewise Saddam Hussein was a US puppet ... but he was planning a move to trade oil in Euros and that would have broken the monopoly of the petro-dollar - so (obviously) he too had to be demonised ... you recall the Bush-Blair 'Westminster Agreement' in which they fabricated a story about a train that had a cargo of portable toilets being laden with WMD.
Trump and Putin have RESPECT for one another - that in itself is a step towards a more peaceful world !
I'm glad to see that many in the USA are wakening to the truth ... and I hope the veil over your eyes will be lifted soon too !
And I guess the Big Thing over any wester / european leader or politician is that he has a genuine and sincere love for the the Russian people and they love him back!
The question was 'Have you heard him speak or do you rely on the opinions of others in the press for your opinion' ... plainly you;re in the latter category eh ?
Putin works on values ... to date ( certainly since Eissehower handed over the reins) the US Govt have only looked at the monetary value of the next deal, how far they could meddle in the affairs of sovereign states and who they could con next by inserting puppet leaders!
You have to recall that The Big Baddies of the last 30 years were US trained inserts ... Osama Bin Laden was trained by the CIA and was waging a proxy war in Afghanistan ... when Regan conned Gorbachev the CIA stopped paying him, cut off his supplies and figured he'd be killed in short order - hmmm, so much for the Central INTELLIGENCE Agency eh ? And don't think he was ever 'really' the enemy ... the Bin Laden family ( his parents and siblings have massive business links with the Bush family and were at the Bush ranch when 9/11 went down. The ONLY plane to fly after the grounding order made was ... yup, the Bin Laden family jet!
Likewise Saddam Hussein was a US puppet ... but he was planning a move to trade oil in Euros and that would have broken the monopoly of the petro-dollar - so (obviously) he too had to be demonised ... you recall the Bush-Blair 'Westminster Agreement' in which they fabricated a story about a train that had a cargo of portable toilets being laden with WMD.
Trump and Putin have RESPECT for one another - that in itself is a step towards a more peaceful world !
I'm glad to see that many in the USA are wakening to the truth ... and I hope the veil over your eyes will be lifted soon too !
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The link attaches to a video where he explains to mainstream western journalist 'what the problem is...'
There's subtitles in english ... and, I wonder how many will actually take time to hear it direct from the horses mouth so to speak for themselves ?