The people has spoken, Trump our new Leader, Part 2 (213)
I am aware of the recount requested for Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin but I am trusting that there is not going to be any difference. Trump is still the President elect and for right now the necessary steps that take place for transition is going on as scheduled.
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In response to: MnanahEireann: "“I asked a question on another thread and no Trump supporter has answered it.
It was about the Slogan "Make America Great Again"
What does this mean?
In the eyes of a Trump supporter,
Which point in time was it great and what made it great at that point in time as opposed to now?
I really would like to hear the answers to this question from those who voted Trump, without going off point."
It was about the Slogan "Make America Great Again"
What does this mean?
In the eyes of a Trump supporter,
Which point in time was it great and what made it great at that point in time as opposed to now?
I really would like to hear the answers to this question from those who voted Trump, without going off point."
Nothing but words on a hat..
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bohemianjack: Nothing but words on a hat..
Let me give you my personal answer. When I first came to this country as a Citizen due to my Grandparents being one of the original settlers of Hawaii, it was in the late part of 70s that is right after my studies from England and as a University Professor in the Philippines. I settled in California instead of Hawaii because I was offered to teach at the City College of San Francisco while finishing my Master's degree at Stanford University. During that time, Unemployment was very low. There was no need for two people to support a decent mortgage in a decent neighborhood. Health care was so affordable. My ex is an engineer and had the best health care program that we didn't need no deductible for any services. We eventually moved to Kaiser which is the best health provider in Northern California. Our dollar can go a long way. Silicon Valley was so strong in East Bay.
Today, today it is not the same. Unemployment is so high and and we have to have two earning individuals to sustain a decent meal with decent cars and decent retirement. Unless of course if you are the head of Hewlett Packard, Engineer at Medtronics, Doctor etc. etc. The middle class was of greater number as oppose today with the gap so wide, there is no more middle class.
Now I don't exactly know what is the statistics but I am pretty sure, it is no longer as great as it used to be. Not with the outsourcing of jobs, health care that is very ridiculous. Imagine my children working with a $1,200 dollars premium with a family of three?
Now tell me, is this better today? No. I do know that there is a great hope if we keep our illegal immigration curved and bring back the jobs that were moved to another country and put every citizen to work.
today, our dollar is not as strong as it used to be.
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lindsyjones: Let me give you my personal answer. When I first came to this country as a Citizen due to my Grandparents being one of the original settlers of Hawaii, it was in the late part of 70s that is right after my studies from England and as a University Professor in the Philippines. I settled in California instead of Hawaii because I was offered to teach at the City College of San Francisco while finishing my Master's degree at Stanford University. During that time, Unemployment was very low. There was no need for two people to support a decent mortgage in a decent neighborhood. Health care was so affordable. My ex is an engineer and had the best health care program that we didn't need no deductible for any services. We eventually moved to Kaiser which is the best health provider in Northern California. Our dollar can go a long way. Silicon Valley was so strong in East Bay.
Today, today it is not the same. Unemployment is so high and and we have to have two earning individuals to sustain a decent meal with decent cars and decent retirement. Unless of course if you are the head of Hewlett Packard, Engineer at Medtronics, Doctor etc. etc. The middle class was of greater number as oppose today with the gap so wide, there is no more middle class.
Now I don't exactly know what is the statistics but I am pretty sure, it is no longer as great as it used to be. Not with the outsourcing of jobs, health care that is very ridiculous. Imagine my children working with a $1,200 dollars premium with a family of three?
Now tell me, is this better today? No. I do know that there is a great hope if we keep our illegal immigration curved and bring back the jobs that were moved to another country and put every citizen to work.
today, our dollar is not as strong as it used to be.
Today, today it is not the same. Unemployment is so high and and we have to have two earning individuals to sustain a decent meal with decent cars and decent retirement. Unless of course if you are the head of Hewlett Packard, Engineer at Medtronics, Doctor etc. etc. The middle class was of greater number as oppose today with the gap so wide, there is no more middle class.
Now I don't exactly know what is the statistics but I am pretty sure, it is no longer as great as it used to be. Not with the outsourcing of jobs, health care that is very ridiculous. Imagine my children working with a $1,200 dollars premium with a family of three?
Now tell me, is this better today? No. I do know that there is a great hope if we keep our illegal immigration curved and bring back the jobs that were moved to another country and put every citizen to work.
today, our dollar is not as strong as it used to be.
Through Trump you may be able to re-prioritise resources and make essentials more affordable and luxuries and unnecessary goods more expensive.
What you won't be able to do is return to cheap goods, cheap homes, cheap labour and the ease of living in everything facilitated by having little or no competition in the world and trillions of debt for future generations to pay down. You can't return to the decadence and silliness of before when seeming prosperity was ridiculously easy.
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Rumples: Through Trump you may be able to re-prioritise resources and make essentials more affordable and luxuries and unnecessary goods more expensive.
What you won't be able to do is return to cheap goods, cheap homes, cheap labour and the ease of living in everything facilitated by having little or no competition in the world and trillions of debt for future generations to pay down. You can't return to the decadence and silliness of before when seeming prosperity was ridiculously easy.
What you won't be able to do is return to cheap goods, cheap homes, cheap labour and the ease of living in everything facilitated by having little or no competition in the world and trillions of debt for future generations to pay down. You can't return to the decadence and silliness of before when seeming prosperity was ridiculously easy.
And it's good for the dollar to drop in value. Overvalued dollar was precisely that which allowed you to live like a king and reduce posterity to paupers. Opposite to China which undervalues and makes life in the moment more austere yet creates a better life for its children.
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Rumples: And it's good for the dollar to drop in value. Overvalued dollar was precisely that which allowed you to live like a king and reduce posterity to paupers. Opposite to China which undervalues and makes life in the moment more austere yet creates a better life for its children.
And for what purpose? Few old people even appreciate how debt and the economy were rigged to create a life of unprecedented ease for them and the ones with decency and integrity who do acknowledge this would rather have had less if in order to create a better life for their children and grandchildren. It;s pointless to spoil people because most will never appreciate.
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Rumples: And for what purpose? Few old people even appreciate how debt and the economy were rigged to create a life of unprecedented ease for them and the ones with decency and integrity who do acknowledge this would rather have had less if in order to create a better life for their children and grandchildren. It;s pointless to spoil people because most will never appreciate.
How much they don't appreciate is made clear by the Trump and Brexit vote. As soon as the establishment could no longer afford to royally subsidise the prosperity of old people they took a massive bite right out of the hand that feeds them.
Rightly speaking the ones throwing a tantrum should be young people who inherit debt and austerity, not old people of credit and prosperity. But that's how it work I guess. Those with the fortune to have known the easy times throw the tantrums and those who inherit a harsher world meet the challenge with a stuff upper lip.
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Rumples: How much they don't appreciate is made clear by the Trump and Brexit vote. As soon as the establishment could no longer afford to royally subsidise the prosperity of old people they took a massive bite right out of the hand that feeds them.
Rightly speaking the ones throwing a tantrum should be young people who inherit debt and austerity, not old people of credit and prosperity. But that's how it work I guess. Those with the fortune to have known the easy times throw the tantrums and those who inherit a harsher world meet the challenge with a stuff upper lip.
Rightly speaking the ones throwing a tantrum should be young people who inherit debt and austerity, not old people of credit and prosperity. But that's how it work I guess. Those with the fortune to have known the easy times throw the tantrums and those who inherit a harsher world meet the challenge with a stuff upper lip.
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Rumples: How much they don't appreciate is made clear by the Trump and Brexit vote. As soon as the establishment could no longer afford to royally subsidise the prosperity of old people they took a massive bite right out of the hand that feeds them.
Rightly speaking the ones throwing a tantrum should be young people who inherit debt and austerity, not old people of credit and prosperity. But that's how it work I guess. Those with the fortune to have known the easy times throw the tantrums and those who inherit a harsher world meet the challenge with a stuff upper lip.
Rightly speaking the ones throwing a tantrum should be young people who inherit debt and austerity, not old people of credit and prosperity. But that's how it work I guess. Those with the fortune to have known the easy times throw the tantrums and those who inherit a harsher world meet the challenge with a stuff upper lip.
Old people biting the hand that feeds them should be saying that they're biting because they've been fed too much already. They should not be expecting more ease and more spoils and through Trump they will not see more ease and more spoils even if some believe they will.
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Rumples: Old people biting the hand that feeds them should be saying that they're biting because they've been fed too much already. They should not be expecting more ease and more spoils and through Trump they will not see more ease and more spoils even if some believe they will.
And let's not forget by "old people" I'm talking about those who tore down authority from the 1960s onwards and shoved their hero parents into nursing homes and forgot about them. Old people today are not worthy of respect and they've got previous for biting the hand that feeds them.
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Rumples: And let's not forget by "old people" I'm talking about those who tore down authority from the 1960s onwards and shoved their hero parents into nursing homes and forgot about them. Old people today are not worthy of respect and they've got previous for biting the hand that feeds them.
Trump could defy all expectation and pull off something decent by not listening to Trumpsters too much. It's not necessarily a disaster because Trump isn't a political puppet for his voters and instead could be a deal-maker.
However, if Trump goes wrong then history will say that old people of our times threw their parents in nursing homes, chucked their kids on the scrapheap, and pulled the plug on civilisation itself.
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Rumples: Trump could defy all expectation and pull off something decent by not listening to Trumpsters too much. It's not necessarily a disaster because Trump isn't a political puppet for his voters and instead could be a deal-maker.
However, if Trump goes wrong then history will say that old people of our times threw their parents in nursing homes, chucked their kids on the scrapheap, and pulled the plug on civilisation itself.
However, if Trump goes wrong then history will say that old people of our times threw their parents in nursing homes, chucked their kids on the scrapheap, and pulled the plug on civilisation itself.
What is dispiriting, however, is that although the specific issues and resentments which give rise to Trump may mean absolutely nothing to the next generation the emotional baggage which makes people so easily snap is not going to go away.
And that is a reason to listen to Trump and Trumpsters. Something is rotten at the core of western civilisation and it's creating men without chests who will vote Trump without the context of famine, great depression or a genuine bolshevik threat. Their inability to endure harsh reality is a problem as I don't see my own generation being that different. 40 years from now it may be young people opting to live in a parallel matrix universe because we don't have the balls to face reality and I do think a Trump presidency will help us discover why people don't have the balls to face reality and indirectly guide us back to reality.
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bohemianjack: Nothing but words on a hat..
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lindsyjones: Thanks everyone for all your support and for those who didn't vote for him, well he is still the President.
Now there is a lot to be done and I am so positive it will turn my country great again.
This is to continue our discussion since it is already locked as it reached the limit of 1000 comment.
Thank you all for your participation and continued vigor on expressing your disagreement and or agreement with our new President elect.
Now there is a lot to be done and I am so positive it will turn my country great again.
This is to continue our discussion since it is already locked as it reached the limit of 1000 comment.
Thank you all for your participation and continued vigor on expressing your disagreement and or agreement with our new President elect.
First I wana say is that Donald Trump won the elections because of the most undemocratic system I know. It was founded in 1738 by the US elite in order to prevent the power of common people to become to strong.It has never been adapted since. Donald Trump even critised it in 2012 during the elections now het doesn't say a word of changing it. But besides that he is elected and will become the president of the USA!! We will evaluate him and deal with him in 2020 and see how he has executed his big changes he shouted several times during his election time. As it seems to be at the moment I have my doubts. But let us give him the benefit of the doubt.
Why my comment? I have seen the same scenario happening in other countires and I know it did not work out as promised on the contrary. Votes of malcontent voters are never interesting to deal with in politics unless you want the power but after that....????
I hope he will prove the opposite, let us judge in 2020.
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I heard that the strong man behind Trump will not be Melania (as they say behind every strong man stands a strong woman 
) but his minister of Trade, Wilbur Ross, a billionair, who saved Donald trump from his previous bankrupts. Let us wait and see!
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im amazed that people fall for these silly political slogans such as 'make america great again', ours was 'keep the recovery going', jebus, come on people! i think Paul McCulley is probably right in saying, trump will make some positive changes to the american economy but he ll probably do very little to deal with the complex social problems facing the country, and in fact will probably exasperate them. i particularly like his opinion that trump has now made 'assholery' acceptable in american society. best of luck america, the world is watching and is hoping you can make positive changes to your society but unfortunately the odds are stacked against you with this administration in office.
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Rumples: Through Trump you may be able to re-prioritise resources and make essentials more affordable and luxuries and unnecessary goods more expensive.
What you won't be able to do is return to cheap goods, cheap homes, cheap labour and the ease of living in everything facilitated by having little or no competition in the world and trillions of debt for future generations to pay down. You can't return to the decadence and silliness of before when seeming prosperity was ridiculously easy.
What you won't be able to do is return to cheap goods, cheap homes, cheap labour and the ease of living in everything facilitated by having little or no competition in the world and trillions of debt for future generations to pay down. You can't return to the decadence and silliness of before when seeming prosperity was ridiculously easy.
Well that's a good direction. Nothing cheap howecer people will have more jobs and raising the minimum wage will offset the cost.
What's important is to create economic balance for the majority and as long as there's job then it will work fine.
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thelad2007: im amazed that people fall for these silly political slogans such as 'make america great again', ours was 'keep the recovery going', jebus, come on people! i think Paul McCulley is probably right in saying, trump will make some positive changes to the american economy but he ll probably do very little to deal with the complex social problems facing the country, and in fact will probably exasperate them. i particularly like his opinion that trump has now made 'assholery' acceptable in american society. best of luck america, the world is watching and is hoping you can make positive changes to your society but unfortunately the odds are stacked against you with this administration in office.
Never seen you on my thread before. Welcome
The acknowledgment of the fact that our country is in a mess and would require an enormous effort to change is good. First off, the long reign of the DNC starting from Clinton down to Obama truly put our government in a very bad shape specially our foreign policy.
The economic relations of our country to the rest of the world made incur an unbelievable 19 trillion deficit. Having to redirect for recovery alone would take years and astute creation of jobs. Including that of bringing all the outsource jobs.
Did you know that Medtronics, the leading industry in health technology which is based in Minnesota almost moved to your country? That is because of supposedly excessive tax imposed on them? The question is why would a company do that when they report a billion revenue? Why not keep it here for the benefit of domestic employment?
If all the outsourced jobs in Asia specially those from Silicon Valley will come back, I am sure recovery will take place. Slow but surely heading to a better shape of the future.
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Malfidus: I heard that the strong man behind Trump will not be Melania (as they say behind every strong man stands a strong woman ) but his minister of Trade, Wilbur Ross, a billionair, who saved Donald trump from his previous bankrupts. Let us wait and see!
Malfudus welcome, my first time to see you.
I hope he'll make sure those that will be in his cabinets are in unity with his goals.
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Now there is a lot to be done and I am so positive it will turn my country great again.
This is to continue our discussion since it is already locked as it reached the limit of 1000 comment.
Thank you all for your participation and continued vigor on expressing your disagreement and or agreement with our new President elect.