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Some are certainly jerks of that caliber. I've met a lot who are, in fact. I don't think humans have the capacity for true unconditional love. Even animals do love ...on the "condition" that they are fed, watered and loved in return. An abused animal is not going to be very loving, you know?

I'm sure that there are guys out there who are trustworthy and loyal and capable of loving; I've just not met any yet with whom I've had a personal involvement. Maybe they were capable of it with someone else, or maybe eventually they were, but my experience with them was anything but. And I'm not stating that they were necessarily "bad" men; if anything it was the indifference toward my feelings, my point of view, my value as a woman and as a human being that I took issue with.

I just have a huge problem playing out my "blueprinted gender role" as the "weaker or fairer sex." I want to be looked upon completely as an equal, as a human being, and not as someone to pamper, display, chase, spoil, or, in other words, be treated as though I'm a child.

My .02, anyway. Subject for a different thread, however.

There an old saying;

"You want to see how someone you want to be with is, watch how they treat their dog." And there is a lot of truth to it.





the puppy I'm holding was abused really bad, and was one of my best dogs, my best friend I should say....

my dog is always happy.
never complains.
is trained.
goes potty on his walk.
is fun.
never talks back.
never is moody.

Shit, i think i will marry my dog.
and maybe just have friends with benefits with a lady as some others have mentioned. Geezz isnt that interesting. lol...i am kidding here.

Well, I have a dog in the pic on my profile. It is not my dog and not really my primary photo, I just got bored with the others and fancied a change. I'm not sure there is enough significance in it to warrant a debate, though.

I could easily argue the cause for dogs and their place in our lives but not to the extent that everything else pales into insignifcance!!
Dx.

There is also a Christmas tree in the picture - can we debate Christmas trees now???!!!
(Oh, sorry, that was my hat!). Debate hats??!
Dx.

Hey Pucks....

I always said "if I could only find a woman as good as my dog," lol

Hey Leatherman,
i have seriously thought the same thing bro.

That would be me. Moms usually end taking care of the dogs for their children. I am a single dog, and my dog WAS an excellent guard dog. Everyone in the neighborhood was terrified of her, but she was great with children too. A baby was pulling on one of her nimples, and she didn't even look at her cross. Unfornately, she is at least the forth dog to be stolen out of the last three years. So, someone must have not been scared of her. I am going to be getting a golden lab pup today. I was going to wait more than a month, but my family needs protection from the freaks in this world.

At last, a forum in which I have extensive expertise. I got my first dog when I was 4 years old and have owned one or more since then. I have been a nationally endorsed dog obedience instructor and competed in AKC events. And if any man had ever tried to take one of my dogs away from me or harm them, well I'd be penning this from a penitentary somewhere because I'd have committed the unthinkable to protect my dogs.

Dogs are loyal (even when I don't deserve their loyalty). They listen to my prob's and fears without offering opinions--instead, offering comfort. Their affection is unconditional, even in lean times when they've had to eat rice instead of dog food. They never complain about my bad habits or foul moods. They can bring a smile to my face when I'm down, and they seem to know exactly what actions will make me smile/laugh. They endure my actions when I'm feeling nuturant and just want to pamper them. They would protect me to their death if I were in danger. Over many years and countless dogs, they have taught me how to forgive, be kind, listen, and to spend less time sweating the small stuff. Except for my current pack of 4, I have many who have crossed the "Rainbow Bridge." And, when it's my time to join them, "What a day of rejoicing that will be!" (And, please, if you don't agree that my dogs will greet me there, don't bother sending me your philosophy on that--it WILL be wasted keyboard time on your part.)

So, in response to the original question, why WOULDN'T women put their dogs ahead of a man. Men don't understand how to become part of the pack. Her dogs will be there long after the man is gone, and will have caused her less grief in the meantime. I believe there is a reason "dog" is "God" spelled backward.

I agree! And not everyone would understand this but if you have been accepted as "one of the pack" by your dogs, then that's a very "high honor!" I'm not fanatical about this, but I just think that animals serve a purpose that many, unfortunately, do not get a chance to experience. God didn't put animals here for us to put them on a chain in the backyard, feed and water them and to pat them on the head occasionally.

I have a bond with my pets and they have also taught me a lot about, as I said previously, what it means to be human.

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I hope I am not a single dog, I meant mom, but I guess that is a matter of opinion!

Being owned by 4 retired racing greyhounds, I would hope that any woman in my life was able to take her place in the "pack order" of the house. The dogs come first because they were here first and they depend on me to take care of them. They have been with me through thick and thin. And, when I adopted them I made a long term committment to take care of them, love them, and provide for them. Pets are not "throw away" items, at least for me they aren't.

I don't think women are replacing men with dogs. I think most have them for the intended purpose....companionship.

Some men do understand how to be part of the pack. I totally realize that some woman have a bond with their dog that is unbreakable. Heck i would give the boot to some people i know or have met before i ever booted my dog out.

Why do we always classify men. Not all men are bad guys who dont understand women.

I want to thank everyone for their responses. As most of you know, asking a question leads to enlightenment. Sometimes those answers confirm pre-held bias and sometimes they create new paths of thinking. The reason I asked women, primarily, about dogs is because I expected a diverse, emotional, intelligent and conversational response, which is exactly what I got. The responses from some of the men were, in some cases, angry, demeaning and unnecessary, which was a bit of a surprise and a clear separation of thought process. For me, the information garnered and learned (from both genders) was worth asking the question. In-the-end, love is a wonderful thing regardless of species.

i re read the thread. i didnt see any responses from men that were demeaning. What are you talking about? maybe i missed it

Very well said!

We try to put men on the same level as our dogs; we really do! We even call them "dogs" and put them in the doghouse sometimes and everything!

I am a good bastard ruff

I am glad you brought up the pack thing - I totally understand this. I divorced 12 years ago, and our 2 pups went with me because he did not want to be tied down with the responsibility of taking care of them (and I don't fault him for being honest about this). The point is, they have been with me ever since, and we are a pack. I have to admit, when I lost one of them a year ago to cancer, I took as hard as if she were my very best friend....probably because in certain ways she was. I still cry when I remember her constant companionship when I fell in love again, and had my heart broken by another man [I am not man bashing, promise].

Today my "pack" includes my other buddies, a 15 y.o. dog and 15 y.o. cat - and I am as loyal to them as they are to me.

So, what was this thread suppose to be about again

Thanks for the concern Pucks, but no sense in giving any more attention to that sort of thing than absolutely necessary.