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INCONVENIENT TRUTH....(GLOBAL WARMING)

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INCONVENIENT TRUTH....(GLOBAL WARMING)




Jess642
Agnes Water Australia
Posted: Feb 13, 2007, 3:26 AM CST
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were all gonna die but its alright loL enjoy it for now loL
May I ask what is the LOL for? I do enjoy life to it's fullest, and I would love for my children, and their children's children, to inherit something more than a husk...
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tonyztouch
brooklyn, New York USA
Posted: Feb 13, 2007, 3:29 AM CST
becuase cowboy we did this all to ourselve our goverment know and anticipates 30 yrs before so i they didnt care then why would they care now ???? did it ever cross your mind ?? and that why the loL for pple who question it now shouldnt they should already know why its happening and why we will die see so for that il laugh
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Ocee35
Jackson, Michigan USA
Posted: Feb 13, 2007, 3:29 AM CST
I doubt I was even 10 years old the first time I wondered how much of the earth we could alter before those alterations began to effect our ability to survive here.

Rejection of our abilty to destroy our environment is ignorance,

and that level of ignorance in a person smart enough to be able to read,

is ignorance by choice.
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Jess642
Agnes Water Australia
Posted: Feb 13, 2007, 3:36 AM CST
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I doubt I was even 10 years old the first time I wondered how much of the earth we could alter before those alterations began to effect our ability to survive here.

Rejection of our abilty to destroy our environment is ignorance,

and that level of ignorance in a person smart enough to be able to read,

is ignorance by choice.
I was about the same age...watching dozers come in and wipe out acres of bush, where I'd played only days before. Watching the trees, the birds and their eggs in the nests, the possums asleep in their tree hollows, the lizards, spiders, frogs, and all the other creatures I had watched my entire childhood disappear....


It took a little longer, about age 15, to stop shrugging my shoulders at the insanity, and crying about it all, and doing something about it.
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Ocee35
Jackson, Michigan USA
Posted: Feb 13, 2007, 3:48 AM CST
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I was about the same age...watching dozers come in and wipe out acres of bush, where I'd played only days before. Watching the trees, the birds and their eggs in the nests, the possums asleep in their tree hollows, the lizards, spiders, frogs, and all the other creatures I had watched my entire childhood disappear....


It took a little longer, about age 15, to stop shrugging my shoulders at the insanity, and crying about it all, and doing something about it.
I never made the transition into attempting to change it,

other than expressing my veiws on the topic to those who would listen.
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Random_Stranger
Made IN, California USA
Posted: Feb 13, 2007, 3:55 AM CST
Well Humanity, I got good news and bad news. The bad news is that Your Home Planet is going to be destroyed due to the disasters you have caused it. Mother nature is going to spank that azz. On the other hand, the good news is that you still have 8 other planets to choose from. Good luck. rolling on the floor laughing
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Unionjoe
Media, Pennsylvania USA
Posted: Feb 13, 2007, 4:19 AM CST
Your question, what do I think about this issue. I think that since I have seen this movie, I have not looked at my job, my children, or my plans for the future, in the same light. I have made plans to purchase a hybrid, possibly a Ford Escape hybrid, for my wife's next car. I am exploring alternative energy sources that are available in my area.
Perhaps no one else gives a shit, but I can't think that way. I'm a parent. My children deserve better. I didn't cause this problem, neither did my kids, but the task has been set before us (this generation) and my children's generation. If we can't fix it, we better make it where our children will have an opportunity to fix it.
It's not just my kids, either. It's all the kids you'll ever meet. If you can look into the eyes of every kid you meet, knowing what is going to happen to the world we leave them, and say that "I don't give a shit", then you are truly not human, and deserve to be eradicated. At least try. Do something, even if it's just a little.
Give a shit about something other than yourself.
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Random_Stranger
Made IN, California USA
Posted: Feb 13, 2007, 4:22 AM CST
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Your question, what do I think about this issue. I think that since I have seen this movie, I have not looked at my job, my children, or my plans for the future, in the same light. I have made plans to purchase a hybrid, possibly a Ford Escape hybrid, for my wife's next car. I am exploring alternative energy sources that are available in my area.
Perhaps no one else gives a shit, but I can't think that way. I'm a parent. My children deserve better. I didn't cause this problem, neither did my kids, but the task has been set before us (this generation) and my children's generation. If we can't fix it, we better make it where our children will have an opportunity to fix it.
It's not just my kids, either. It's all the kids you'll ever meet. If you can look into the eyes of every kid you meet, knowing what is going to happen to the world we leave them, and say that "I don't give a shit", then you are truly not human, and deserve to be eradicated. At least try. Do something, even if it's just a little.
Give a shit about something other than yourself.
Why do people act like kids are an exception? They are not another speicies that are all cute. They are people, they grow into rapists, murders, @$$holes, and such. We should all be destroyed. applause dancing banana head banger angel devil
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Unionjoe
Media, Pennsylvania USA
Posted: Feb 13, 2007, 1:53 PM CST
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Why do people act like kids are an exception? They are not another speicies that are all cute. They are people, they grow into rapists, murders, @$$holes, and such. We should all be destroyed.
Random Stranger, so I take it that is what you grew into from a child?

If indeed you believe these words you have posted, why are you still here?

Or are you just wanting attention?

Don't just talk about what you believe, show me. I'm doing what I can to make both my world and my kids world better.

What are you doing?
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lochlomen66
Norwich, Connecticut USA
Posted: Mar 6, 2007, 6:44 AM CST
Is the planet getting warmer? Sure it is but isn't that it's natural state? What was the planet like for the dinosore? It was tropical. It was a big rock hitting the planet that cooled it off and gave us ice caps. No matter what people do or don't do the planet was going in this direction anyway. It is mearly returning to its natural state. Now if you want to say we are putting poison into the world and are we killing things off with it I say yea thats our fault. But lets face it this was a tropical planet before we came along and it will be again no matter what you think. Why do people always think in such a small way. Just look into the past and you will see the future. Either we addapt or die. I really don't think I will see it in my life time. Some fool somwhere will end us with a nuke or a man made plauge more likly than to die off from global warming. Just my thoughts of course.
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Jerry53531
Sliema Malta
Posted: Mar 6, 2007, 8:53 AM CST
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Hi, Jess,

Many thanks. It seems to me that the matter of putting money before anything else is the greatest problem of all that you listed, in part because it may be the one that drives all of our interaction with the environment. How in the world do we reverse this???? I do think we have to figure this one out.

I've given a couple of classes on Western culture and its impacts on the rest of the social and physical world. It is not a good situation, as 'Western culture' -- with all its dysfunctionalities, is still rapidly spreading beyond the West. I do see in some kids here in the US a reaction against Western culture -- sometimes th reaction is healthy, and at other times it seems to me to be as destructive as anything.

In a sense, some of the things you point to have been going on 'a long time' -- like the general patterns of cooling and warming -- and some even stranger ones, like the magnetic reversal of the poles. (What is THAT all about???). The temperature trends that we are now seeing are well within the pattern of the last 100,000 years, say. Of course, this doesn't mean that human beings won't be harmed of affected; it only suggests that only human activity is to 'blame' for these trends.

Will human beings become wise enough to 'manage' our environment effectively and beneficially? That is the big, question, IMHO. It is the question that I spend most of time trying to figure out and influence. And I still don't know how to answer it. What do you think?

Thanks again for your thinking, and for the thread.

Oceans
There's a new item today talking about scientists in Russia predicting the cycle of global cooling to take place beginning in the next 7 years. Kinda keeps in line with past patterns of warming and cooling.

Too many people with their own agendas making all the predictions. I have doubts that they are as much concerned about the worlds future as they are in making a buck or two. Being environmentally friendly is one thing but operating from fear is another
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bl8ant
Amsterdam Netherlands
Posted: Mar 6, 2007, 8:58 AM CST
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There's a new item today talking about scientists in Russia predicting the cycle of global cooling to take place beginning in the next 7 years. Kinda keeps in line with past patterns of warming and cooling.

Too many people with their own agendas making all the predictions. I have doubts that they are as much concerned about the worlds future as they are in making a buck or two. Being environmentally friendly is one thing but operating from fear is another
i just flew over the swiss italian alps on my way home.......they were amazingly free of snow in many areas..........so much so that even the pilot commentedhelp
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freewill
nineveh, Indiana USA
Posted: Mar 6, 2007, 11:07 AM CST
has anyone looked into this other than the media im not saying theres not a problem but that movie is based on 20yr old data
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Jose13
Azángaro, Puno Peru
Posted: Mar 6, 2007, 1:18 PM CST
This was in the NY Times, May 28, 2003
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"We want to support organizations that are trying to broaden the debate on an issue that is so important to all of us," said Tom Cirigliano, a spokesman for Exxon. "There is this whole issue that no one should question the science of global climate change that is ludicrous. That's the kind of dark-ages thinking that gets you in a lot of trouble." He also noted, "These are not single-agenda groups."
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So Exxon through a spokesman tells its concern about this problem and asking for open minds to see that the problem is not MAINLY CAUSED by the burning of fossil fuels... how captivating good hearts of theirs!
Money-thirst people protesting against "the kind of dark-ages thinking that gets you in a lot of trouble" We are in good hands!

And then millions of dollars are everywhere just to promote mercenary-scientists to broaden the tackle of the problem. Maybe a heroic attempt in the name of "impartial" science? ha!
It is well-known though that in nature nothing comes as an effect of one isolated cause, then it is easy to imagine how much partial stuff can be argued in defense of Exxon and companies alike. Maybe they are right, but just right from one angle: the angle that protects the rotten selfishness of some people.

This is a typical way to use science to darken the clear views on things.
Apart from the temperature of the planet, namely there is an ill planet left, plain pollution, terrible wars for the black resource, destruction of many many natural cycles that used to sustain balance on earth, new diseases on live creatures (like us), sick consumerism and much more. Science can show there are other possible lateral causes for the warming that have nothing to do with the "innocent" burning of fossil fuels but this does not nullify the responsibility of mankind (and in particular the big money-makers) for the utter destruction. In modern times Western science has also added to its instrumental nature, the task to cover the activities of these vulgar big money makers with all that stupid gibberish of vulgar theories that pretend to have a broad view of things. It all sucks.

It is enough to have a look out there to realise the magnitude of the destruction. No evil science payed by the big companies can tell anything better than a simple look.
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Jose13
Azángaro, Puno Peru
Posted: Mar 6, 2007, 1:29 PM CST
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Why do people act like kids are an exception? They are not another speicies that are all cute. They are people, they grow into rapists, murders, @$$holes, and such. We should all be destroyed.
Hi Random!
These would be the views of most of the non-human things on this planet who have witnessed the disbalance and destruction brought upon by mankind (especially its modern version)
"On the name of progress" the motto says on and on.
Certainly humanity on the personal scale would say a lot about that too. I agree with you, this is above all (save few isolated exceptions) degradation of a species.
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Singleton11
Mystic, Connecticut USA
Posted: Mar 6, 2007, 5:56 PM CST
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The massive build up of carbon dioxide in the past thirty years, in the atmosphere.

The diminishing forests which are the Earth's lungs.

The fact that money is more important than the health and well being of all the inhabitants of the earth, (humans down the bottom of the list).

The rapid melting of the Antarctic shelf, and subsequent drift of said breakaways...they are drifting away from the shelf, into the warmer curretns, not back to the shelf, as in predictable history of the natural cycles of the melts.

The subsequent rise in the ocean's temperatures which contribute to more and fiercer hurricanes, typhoons and cyclones, and the added prevalence of them.

The dwindling glaciers and lakes, in many countries.

The excessive and long term droughts in the Southern Hemispere.

That's just off the top of my head....
Hi Jess,

On the positive side, my property will be waterfront in about 10-20 years laugh ....and what does Oceans care, he has that sailing boat of his! rolling on the floor laughing

Seriously - it is not a laughing matter, and we should all be concerned and take responsibility for contributing to emmissions that are destroying the atmosphere.

I saw the movie, and I have no good reason NOT to believe the data that was presented, nor how it was interpreted.professor
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Majique
Denver, Colorado USA
Posted: Apr 13, 2007, 6:17 PM CST
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Has anyone seen the movie "An Inconvenient truth" Al gore is the one in it, He talks about Global Warming, and what is going to be happening in the next 50 years from now. This is a REALLY GOOD and TRUE MOVIE, AND I advise that you have to see it.

there was a website that was posted for anyone who would wish to know more about this issue...
www.climatecrisis.net

just wanted 2 put my 2cents in about it....

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS ISSUE????
Al Gore is an idiot .... promoting panic to push his other agendas. Co2 is a problem but historically, we are not going thru anything we have not before. In fact, it is quite light. Look at the counter points here before you buy into this tripe.
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dixrog
Norton, Virginia USA
Posted: Apr 13, 2007, 7:04 PM CST
Another movie about global warming and it's effects, "The Day After". It really brings it all home. It's gonna be bad people! Even if we can't reverse the effects now, we can try to prepare for the worst, or at least brace ourselves. Man I hate it when that happens! I wanna stick my head in the sand and pretend that it's not happening, but that's not gonna help. I guess in my next life I'll hope to be a fast swimming fish with teeth.

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starr6114
mitchell, South Dakota USA
Posted: Apr 13, 2007, 11:49 PM CST
Would these irrefutable facts and predictions about global warming that everyone is quoting nowadays be any thing similar to the irrefutable facts and predictions quoted in the 70s and 80s about the coming ice age?

The earth does not orbit the sun in a perfect circle but rather has an eliptical orbit. At earths perigee to the sun the earth gets hotter by a few degrees. At its apogee it cooles down by a few degrees.This cycle takes about 10,000 years to complete.

We can do nothing to change this just as we can do nothing about the sun eventually dying and consuming earth as it turns to a red giant. This will happen as sure as life it's self but we've still got a few million years to keep thinking and crying about something we cannot change.

And now for the rest of the story.
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Rebel_Yell
Ripley, Mississippi USA
Posted: Apr 14, 2007, 3:00 AM CST
I'd suggest that you watch The Great Global Warming Swindle (it's on google video) before believing anything Al Bore has to say (and no, I'm no republicrat, they are just the flip side of the demuplicans).

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