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Good guys' really do finish last

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Good guys' really do finish last

Posted: Dec 8, 2005, 9:54 PM CST
Good guys are hard to comeby. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. A good guy is like a thread of string. If is a strong thread hang on that thread and don't let it break. I am a good guy.
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Illuminate
Kathleen, Georgia USA
Posted: Dec 8, 2005, 10:02 PM CST
Welcome to the boobyhatch paperboy433
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Anarqi
Indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: Dec 9, 2005, 2:23 AM CST
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I don't know about "good", but I do know that women are constantly screaming that they want an honest man.

Yet they seem to avoid honest guys like the plague. Never could understand that one. Prolly never will.
I don't understand what the correlation is between "good guys" and "honesty". There are plenty of 'good guys' out there who are dishonest either because they don't know any better, or because they use it as a tool to help tip the scales in their favor - even if it wasn't meant to be 'dishonest' (embelishments, minor exaggerations, etc.).
At the same time there are total a-holes out there that are flat out honest because it's their world and if you can't handle the pressure get out of their cooker.

Most of my women friends complain about what total a-holes they dated/married, again wondering why they didn't just find a 'nice guy'.

**Just an early disclaimer: this is the way I (too bad I can't underscore the "I") see it, and it's relative to the situations I see on a daily basis...obviously it doesn't apply to all women.

What does an a-hole offer a woman that a nice guy doesn't?

* A-holes are controlling. I think a lot of women like the blanket (initially) of knowing they only have one person to answer to - even if they give up certain freedoms for it. Nice guys tend to swing the door wide open with the often quoted "if you love someone set them free" theory in mind; it usually fails.
* A-holes make better money, it would seem, because they will walk on anyone to get where they need to be - therefore offering more financial security - and women love the idea of stability.
* A-holes see things in black and white. Women like the rules laid out; when they're not they tend to bend them, break them. An a-hole curbs such behavior early; a nice guy lets it go - lets the woman be herself (which he ultimately pays for when she leaves him for an a-hole).
* A-holes take competition to an extreme level because they need to win. It would seem a logical end to believe that women want winners, not losers. Since nice guys just like to experience the game and learn from it/have fun, even if they win on occasion - they still lose.

It's simple natural selection.

I don't think 'honesty' is the issue at hand, although I do know where you're coming from.
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GeNuH
Tulsa USA
Posted: Jan 16, 2006, 8:22 PM CST
Me, Personally... i like when guys arent completely nice all the time...hehhe
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Anarqi
Indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: Jan 16, 2006, 9:37 PM CST
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Me, Personally... i like when guys arent completely nice all the time...hehhe
Touché.
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Posted: Jan 17, 2006, 7:04 AM CST
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All men have some good in them.....all men have some bad in them. Nice guys, are nice becuase they have the desire to be liked by all. There is nothing wrong with being nice; even a nice guy can be an a'hole when he needs to be. Just because you choose to treat others well, doesn't mean you are spineless. As for finishing last......the good guys, and nice guys finish last because they let the others in first. Because the nice thing to do is to move out of the way. They don't do it intentionally, it is just the way they are. Nice is good, good is only good for a while. Some women have said that nice is boring. They may have a point. But that in now way means that nice "has" to be boring.

Note: If you plan to wear the "nice guy" or the "good guy" label, be ready to have the world come down on you if you screw up even once......
I think you make a very good point. I choose to wear the "nice guy/ good guy" label, because that's how I am. I'm not perfect, and never will be, but screwing up who I am, I don't see happening.

I also very much agree with the fact of being this way doesn't make you spineless. I have a dark side that comes out when it is neccesary, but only then.

You're right, " nice" doesn't have to mean boring. Sometimes the "nice guy/ good guy" is wrongly stereotyped. By being this way, it shouldn't automatically mean you're boring/ spineless/ ect....

It's time for us to step up and finish first, and leave last place for those who truely deserve it. I have been stepping my game up, and I'm staring down the winners circle.
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