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Welcome to CS, Zakho. Ahlan wa sahlan.
Is it true that Zakho is primarily a Jewish town? 1,500 Jews, 100 Christians, and the rest, I assume, Muslim. And that it is located on an island? And involved in the Armenian genocide? All this from a couple of quick on-line sites. It sounds very interesting.
But my guess is still that you know little about Islam and the social practices of Muslims. or perhaps in this msall village the practices of Muslims are abnormal? You see, what you describe regarding women is completely abnormal for the Muslim world.
So that you know: I do know a lot about the Middle East and about Islam. I invite you to go back to earlier postings in this thread to see a larger discussion, and then return here in the context of this discussion. No sense in my haviong to type duplicative material here again.
Thanks for the sutra: but of course is doesn't say anything about the treatment of women, and does in no way support your comments about the treatment of women in Islam.
Sorry to hear about your cousin. I am interested in hearing more about this incident. When did it happen? Where? What actually happeend? I am sure there is more to the story! It might make sense for you to reply directly to my CS mailbox on this.
Again, Ahlan bik.
Oceans
Ocens....ahlan wa shlan beek....
i will tell u about zakho when i e-mail u, but for now, i want to make something clear,,,ur still saying "i know little about islam" my response to that, is i have to laugh first hhhhhhhhhh, and then put some quotes that mohamad (the prophet of islam) himself said about women, and i will let u and other readers decide....... true muslims believe in their books and what their prophet says, don't they? here we go....
Once the Messenger of God went out to a prayer place to offer the prayer of Greater Bairam or a Lesser Bairam. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you [women]." They asked, "Why is it so, Messenger of God?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "What is deficient in our intelligence and religion, Messenger of God?" He answered, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in your intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. "This is the deficiency in your religion," he said.(12)
"One woman, of 99 women, is in heaven, and the rest of them are in Fire."(16) "Fire has been created for the senseless, the women, except for the one who obeyed her husband."(17) "Men perish when they obey women."(18) "Men are in a good state as long as they do not obey women."(19)
Muhammad gives us another reason why men should fear and beware of women: "Beware of women; the first temptation among the Children of Israel was caused by them;"(20) "I fear no temptation that would befall my people but for the temptation of women and wine;"(21) and "But for the woman, man could have entered paradise."
The woman has no right to behave as though she possesses any authority or influence over her husband, for Muhammad "forbade women to talk except by leave of their husbands."(23) Also "Women are not allowed to go out except out of necessity, but for the occasion of the two feasts: The Greater Bairam and the Lesser Bairam. They are also not allowed to walk down the roads, but keep to the edges of the street."(24) "Women are not allowed to use the middle of the road."(25) "Women are not to be greeted nor to greet."(26) "A believing woman is the same among women as a white-footed raven among the ravens. Fire has been created for the senseless, and women are the most senseless of all."(27) If the woman wanted to clear herself of this charge, she had to serve her husband.(28)
In another tradition Muhammad described women as "unclean" creatures. In a Hadith, Muhammad says, "Three things corrupt prayer: Women, dogs, and donkeys."(29) "The Messenger of God said, 'A man's prayer is interrupted if a donkey, black dogs, and women pass by him nearby.' So I said, 'What difference is there between the red one, the yellow one, and the white one?' He said, 'My brother, I asked the Messenger of God just as you asked me. He said, "The black dog is a devil." ' "(30) In a another tradition given by Ibn Abbas, the fire-worshipper, the Jew, and the pig are listed alongside the woman as things that corrupt prayer. The prayer of a Muslim is corrupted if "they pass by him as far as a rock could be thrown."(31)
"'The woman has two things to cover her: the grave and marriage.' It was asked, 'Which of them is better?' He said, 'The grave.' "(36)
i think this is enough for now.............. ma'a salam
