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Thank you. My grandpa would be proud that his hard work did not go un-noticed!

Funny you should mention the hospitality industry. Seems to me that the current speaker of the house, who is supposedly a friend to labor, owns a resort and refuses to allow any union to represent her employees.

I agree there are situations where they are unfortunately required.

And even then they often don't work because many of those places you've mentioned end up hiring illegal migrant worker anyway and do things under-the-table so to speak.

In human civilization there will always people trying to take advantage of other people. And often times it's powerful unions trying to take advantage of companies!

One huge problem is that there's no guarantee that the people running he unions will be any more moral than the people running the companies.

Many humans will corrupt anything they can get their hands on.

But there are also situations where things run much better without unions too.

I think it's like all other issues. There is no single definitive answer. It all ulimately depends on the specific context in question.

I'm not against unions in general. I just don't want to have anything to do with them myself.

I repeat my previous post


workers unions
Posted: Today at 9:56 PM

I agree with you there.

"At least give me the choice to get away from that crap."


As much as I am a strong believer in unions...I don't think all companies should be pro-union. Or for that matter be anti-union. I think having it too weighted one way or the other would not be advantageous for anyone. It is the balance that spurs motivation.

Just as much as saying yes "I am a democrat"...but I don't want all americans to be democrats as well. In trying to make a utopian society we would fail, the "happy medium"...lol, more like constant poking, prodding, testing, and arguments...is what keeps our country in check.


Just my thoughts

Well this is a difficult problem with disposition of wealth. My answer is if you work for the government then the money comes from
raising taxes or cutting spending (like the nonsence in Irag). If
you are a private corporation raise the price of goods. If the
corporation is so fraigle that it cannot pay a fair standard of
wage living it should proably go out of business anyway.

I am a strong supporter of Nanci Pelosi (even though she chooses to spell Nancy as Nanci but never mind). Please tell me what your source for this information is?

Just google "The Real Nancy Pelosi" and you'll see the item I believe the earlier poster was referring to.

Personally, I'm not a Pelosi fan, in fact I don't like her at all and believe her to be yet another corrupt, power hungry politician who serves her own purpose at the expense of the people. However, the item in question seems to be nothing more than a politically motivated attack from the other side of the political battle line. May be some truth to it but who really knows. The point is, like her or not, there's no point in disliking her over these silly and unsubstantiated accusations.

Ahhh, public life, power and politics brings all kinds of unwanted attention to everyone who participates.

the transistion form union to non-union workforce is what I dread and look forward to seeing here in Michigan.... its ineviditable i think. I kow my dad retired with thirty years from fords and the union put his COLA on the chopping block here hes retired no say in union matters but did thirty years and they want to take the mans COLA cost of living allowance from his retirement income.... its just wrong.

Unions have had a strong place in forming the workplace as it is today. That having been said, there is no real place for them in the face of todays' business climate. Choices abound and Labor Laws are in the favor of the laborer...not the business.

You want a model of NON UNION works....check out the story of Overnite Transportation. Provided excellent wages, excellent benefits, one of the most incredible retirement packages in the world (drivers got their full weekly salary after retirement for the rest of their lives). Union my ass. I know this is a hot button for lots of folks, but it remains my contention that a Union is a waste. Work, get paid, go home. If you don't want to meet the requirements of the company that pays your wages, carry yourself someplace else and work. I opened my businesses to make a profit not to have someone else, or a collective of "someone elses" try to tell me what I have to pay or do to have them work for me.

A labor union is nothing more than a contract between you and your employer, corporations do this all the time. Every time you do business with a corporation you are under contract in most cases. Whats good for them should be good for us.

I have also worked in non union environments and was quite happy for the most part. Some places need unions. I work for the Canadian feds, trust me you need a union to work for these Aholes.

All we need is one big bus to clear the rest of Michigan out!

Let's GO!!!

unuions have there place

but ussually it is somplace else

i was a meember of the carpenter union (akron ohio)

when you join they give you a little book of do and don't things

one of the don't things listed is

don't work on non-union jobs for your union employer

i followed that rule and was fired

the capenter union would do nothing about this

yet 4-5 monthes down the road they wanted me and all the others
that worked for this company to help them collect unpaid
health and welfare benifits

i looked the guy in the eye told him you mhandle my grievance
(repeated it to him) then got up and walked out

to my pleasure everyone else got up and follwed me

maybe we need unions for the union

just a thought

but hey what do i know

looks like i killed this one to

Some things are different places I've worked union jobs, from Baltimore to Spokane and all over California, but everywhere I've been, is not unusual anymore for a signatory contractor to be a subcontractor to a non-union general.

I feel very strongly that unions provide a means for opportunity to those who would otherwise not have it, and would refute anyone who would want me or anyone else to believe that they are not necessary with respect to "today's business model", and further that we need them now as much as we ever did.

Nothing is perfect, and sometimes the e-board needs a shakeout.

What is the point of keeping a workforce scared, poor, without benefits, and unorganized? So capital can better "trickle down" on an as needed basis?

"trickle down" on that!!

New Jersey is all about there unions

Truth be told, "Right to work" translated means right to work for less while the higher ups get more.

"The powers that be" want you to think that they're doing you a great favor by giving you a job.

Too many people think that unions are bad just because the gangster Jimmy Hoffa ran the teamsters.

The more people get screwed, the more they will realize that there is power in numbers... and union solidarity will rebound.