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Racisim, when will it stop?




quiescent
somewhere, Kentucky USA
Posted: Apr 26, 2007, 9:53 AM CST

Racisim, when will it stop?


Maybe when we stop 'carefully teaching' our children to be racists.

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"Teach children that all people are created equally but come in several different colors. WHY? Because its TRUE. Teach children that years ago people were stupid and did not love one another but now we can. WHY? Because its TRUE."

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guitarplayer00
Portland, Oregon USA
Posted: Apr 26, 2007, 9:54 AM CST
First,,I wish it just didn't exsist period. 2nd , I believe that racism is all over, it is not isolated. Third ,,,just have to throw this in,,,I have filled out forms, be it on the web or in a office setting on real paper..lol ,,,anyway,, where it asks me what "I" am I have noticed lately, quite often that "white" is not an option! LOL "caucasion" is sometimes,,really don't like that title at all ,,it would be synonymous with another depicting a certain word I wont put,,,,BUT! the one that really gets me is when I have to put the only option that is there ,,, Non- Hispanic!! what is up with that?!? so crazy! like I am a "Non" something now,,lol ,,anyway,,,,I suppose I could put, "other" seems like I should't have to be "other" either...
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LOLjuzme
instate, Washington USA
Posted: Apr 26, 2007, 11:21 AM CST
As far as those forms go, I usually opt not to even check any box, it is optional. Or just check other and don't put what other, that messes with some of those anal types LOL

"We live in a world that is made up of multi-culture beings,we are not a race made up of color,we are the human race."
And these days, with all the mixed couples and such, just how many are actually only one "color" or another? I would be interested to know just how many have "true bloodlines" (criminy, sounds like we are discussing dog breeds when you break this stuff down), as I doubt there would be many.
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guitarplayer00
Portland, Oregon USA
Posted: Apr 26, 2007, 11:24 AM CST
even my guitars are from different countries and different colors! LOL....I love them all!

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LonelyInBC31
Battle Creek, Michigan USA
Posted: Apr 27, 2007, 12:08 AM CST
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even my guitars are from different countries and different colors! LOL....I love them all!

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FatBrunette
LONDON, Ontario Canada
Posted: Apr 27, 2007, 12:39 AM CST
I feel racism will never stop..

You know.. Most people who use racial slurs aren't even racist..

They say most people use racial remarks ONLy because they know its the easiest way to get someone..

Now .. Myself.. You can call me a honker.. wonder bread, Cracker.. u name it.. I could care less.


But the one word that people tend to use is the "N" word.. nah yall know what Im talking about.


Now I hope this doesnt offend anyone.. but when YOUR own people are calling u nigga.. or whatever.. How can you get upset when someone of a different colour does... Now Im not saying its right to use the word at all .. dont get me wrong..

but how can u earn the respect you deserve when you sit there calling each other "N"

the "N" word is a lil more serious then any other racial word used.. because it was used against African Americans while they were hog tying them and beating them to death.. Assuming they were worthless...

Now I am not proud of my race for doing this to African Americans at all .. But .. Why take a word that was used in such a disgusting way back then, and call each other by it.. You take the "er" off the word and add on "A" .. doesn't make a difference...

respect urselves.. And Hopefully thatw ill be a good start ..and then we can show US white folk .. and whoever else uses the word.. that it aint right..

And also .. it DOES mean ignorant and seeing how most the people using the word are uneducated on the word OBVIOUSLY .. they white, black, chinese or whatever.. can be called the "N" word.

My two cents.. thats all
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highfidelity
Europe, Bundesland Germany
Posted: Apr 27, 2007, 4:33 AM CST
Americans hate to be told that their culture is often based by the hatred of other people, particularly foreigners.

But racism and bigotry are a fact of American life, which is built on the decades of civil rights abuses of African Americans and other minorities.

- Devah Pager, a sociologist at Northwestern University, conducted a study in Milwaukee which showed whites with a criminal record were more likely to be hired for a job than similarly qualified blacks with no criminal record.

- A recent study by the National Community Reinvestment Coalition showed that subprime lending activity typically increases in neighborhoods with greater numbers of blacks, even when other factors such as income, creditworthiness and housing are constant.

- According to a study by the Russell Sage Foundation, blacks are 36-44 percent less likely to be hired in white suburbs even if they search for work longer and more aggressively and are equally qualified to their white counterparts.

- Estimates by the Urban Institute indicate that blacks lose over $120 billion in wages due to labor market discrimination every year.

- The Wall Street Journal has reported that almost 70 percent of whites with poor credit are still able to receive a mortgage loan whereas only 16 percent of blacks with equally poor credit could do the same.

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Posted: Apr 27, 2007, 8:37 AM CST
Just my 2 cents, but I do not think the American culture is
based on hatred. I think the American culture is more
based on capitalist ideology and greed and oppertunity.
It was greed that caused Americans to exploit the blacks.
It is also greed that Americans continue exploit the poor today whether black or white. But I also argue that maybe
greed is good. The American blacks are far better off than
their counterpart in Africa (Darfur for example). The American
poor are also far better off then all third world countries.
As for using the N word. Blacks use it with blacks because
it is more of a joke/hazing between brothers. When whites use it, it is taken personally as insulting to blacks.
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JustMe0807
Marshall, Missouri USA
Posted: Apr 27, 2007, 8:55 AM CST
Racisom will stop when people stop teaching there children that it is ok to hate and mistreat people. Not to say that it is that way with everyone but all it takes is one sour apple to ruin the whole barrell in some cases...People learn from what they see and unfortunatly in most cases it start's at home as a child..I was raised in a home where prejudice sp? was normal..I chose not to believe that way and think that as adults we can change what was taught to us as children. but by the time people are adults sometimes it is hard to forget the way people treated us when we were young..So from that comes rasism and hate...


I am not sure I worded this just right but hope you understand what I am saying...
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quiescent
somewhere, Kentucky USA
Posted: Apr 27, 2007, 9:42 AM CST





How many little babies smitten got to come into this world choosing what color they will be?



I got stuck with what (I) am. dunno To be perfectly honest, I would have preferred to be something

different. I am what I am, and have to live and learn to love all aspects of me (what a drag,

sometimes grin ).

People being what they are, the prejudices play out both ways. Wake up parents.

God love us all. Give these children a chance.

Give society a break!
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highfidelity
Europe, Bundesland Germany
Posted: Apr 27, 2007, 11:38 AM CST
and how many little kids are treated as they are the future of the Country - same rights - same education ?

"Nowadays, children as young as 6 or 7 are carted off in handcuffs, locked up and saddled with permanent criminal records More than 4,500 kids 11 and under were charged with crimes in Florida during the fiscal year that ended in June."

The Times continued, "Kids as young as 7 spend the night in detention centers. Kids as young as 10 are sent away for a year or more. And in a very few cases, children enter the justice system at even younger ages, such as a 5-year-old St. Petersburg boy charged this year with burglary; and incredibly, a preschool arson suspect who went through a pretrial diversion program in South Florida at age 3."

In December 2001, after arresting a 10-year-old autistic fourth grader who disrupted a special education class, the Okaloosa, Florida Sheriff's Department's Rick Hord defended his actions, arguing, "[T]here's no question but that we had all the elements of a felony crime present."

Not all children are treated equally. Race and class loom large. As the Times noted, "there is a stark difference among arrests of children by race -- one that gets sharper as the children get younger." The young targets of "zero tolerance" arrests nationwide are overwhelmingly Black, Latino and Native American. In 2000, according to the Suffolk University Law School Juvenile Justice Center (JJC), African-American children-who made up just 15 percent of the U.S. juvenile population-were 46 percent of those incarcerated and 52 percent of those whose cases ended up in adult criminal court. Black children are imprisoned at five times the rate of whites, while Latino and Native American children are placed in correctional institutions at two and a half times that of whites.

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Michael_Feir
Mississauga, Ontario Canada
Posted: Apr 27, 2007, 12:28 PM CST
Up here in Canada, we like to think we're beyond racism. We're not really of course. My first real introduction to the concept was when I was around twelve. We were taking a history class on your civil war and the whole wider issue of slavery. I kept asking why black people were treeted so differently. The teacher tried her best to make me understand but there's just no really good physical sensible reason she could have come up with. I was unknowingly demanding the impossible of her. Finally, in exasparation, she asked me what the difference was between myself and another boy my age in class. I didn't need a degree to know that colour was obviously the issue so I said that I was either black or white and the other boy was whatever colour I didn't happen to be. In abject stunned horror that nobody had done so sooner, she informed me that I was in fact white. I took her at her word and must have shrugged or done something that visually indicated to her just how meaningless and unimportant that was to me. I thought things would just move on but the silence hung there for an awkward while.

I have always judged people strictly on an individual basis. The only assumption I make is that they're as ethical, smart, and worthy of respect as I am until they prove otherwise through their actions. That's always seemed to me the only truly fair approach to take. It's certainly lead to some interesting occasions. I once had a good family friend of Serbian ancestry try to convince me that his people tended to be sneaky, vicious and manipulative. He said this quite apologetically despite never in my memory exhibiting any of those traits himself.

I have to accept now that there indeed are some actual physical differences which seem to be particular to groups. One time in a university cafeteria, I remarked that I didn't think Chinese people truly had slanted eyes and that it was just a silly Hollywood thing. The next thing I knew, I had at least ten Chinese people around me who thought it was important enough to convince me that it was truely a Chinese characteristic that they had left whatever food and conversation they had been enjoying. Faced with that I had to accept their word although I still doubt it's actually universal to all Chinese.

I guess peoples' instincts to label, make false assumptions anddominate mean that we'll be dealing with some degree of racism on a permanant basis. I think that all of us who have come to a more sensible stand can do is try to influence the people around us for the better and hope the destructive tide of ignorance eventually turns. Being blind, I've had occasions to speak to students about what life is like for blind people. I've always enjoyed these oppotunities and have actually been at it long enough to have heard back from people who have benefited. Take heart. If we keep plugging away at our little corner of things, we can make real differences to other people.
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Ricky1977
Brisbane, Queensland Australia
Posted: Apr 27, 2007, 6:17 PM CST
Probly never,as time goes on the world gets a nastier place.
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HonestNFaithful
Seattle, Washington USA
Posted: Apr 27, 2007, 6:32 PM CST
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First and foremost, let me say that this is intended for mature audiences ONLY. Im not looking to start a debate or cause problems.


I would seriously like to talk about racisim, what it is, and how it is viewed.



My view on it: Im tired of hearing that the white people owe somebody something. I dont care what color you are or are not, If you live in the USA you have the same rights as anyone else.

You may be treated differently, but so are people who wear glasses, have braces, bad breath or big ears no matter what color you are. EVERYONE is treated differently but people tend to use their color of skin as an excuse.

You may ask yourself why I would bring this up.....well...Over Spring Break I shuttled a bus of kids to our area's boy's and girl's club. The first day I only had two kids, they were both white....and they were the only white kids in the whole club. Two young girls both age 8. They were going to join the cheerleading camp that the club advertised. These two girls were tormented with words of : White Trash, Wanna Be, Told that white chics need not apply and put to the back of the squad behind two very tall teenage girls. Over the next several days I had more and more kids...all white...all experienced the same treatment. Boys and girls alike were told that they were not welcome, they were excluded from games and called many names.

This made me so I went in, I stayed, I witnessed and what I saw.....
The things these kids were saying to them was true. Now mind you, I spent alot of time with the kids that I transported to this club, telling them to behave, treat everyone the same, dont call people names....the very same thing that was happening to them!

Why now if the tables were turned, people would say they were racist?

Im here to tell you that the reason these kids act this way is because people need to quit living in the past and teaching their children to hate people of other races. I dont want to hear that slavery is part of culture and needs to be taught, its not part of culture, its part of life...a past life that is over and gone and needs to be depleted from every book that has ever been published. You want to stop racisim, stop telling african american children that they are the minority, that they are owed something from society.


Teach children that all people are created equally but come in several different colors. WHY? Because its TRUE. Teach children that years ago people were stupid and did not love one another but now we can. WHY? Because its TRUE.

Teach them this when they are YOUNG, when they are older, perhaps highschool or above, teach them the rest of the history. You are setting them up to hate even before they can learn to love!



Just my .02 Not directed to anyone, or any race, or religion, etc...etc....


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Hun!!!! i don't blame you!!!.I grewup in a Multi-cultured neighborhood,My daddy was very pregiduce,and my mother was in the closet so to say did not want to show it that she was abit on the racist side. I was the youngest child in the family of 4 children,and wanted so bad to have friends,of other races.I was only in Grade school,and my best friend was a young Black girl,she was my best bud. One day, i brought her home to meet my family,and daddy told her to leave.I cried so hard,cause she was the only friend i had.My father has long since passed on,and mama is beginning to see the light.I do not look at a person for the color of their skin,but the goodness in their hearts.My 3 adult children and their children,follow in my foot steps,and iam proud.thumbs up
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fireliter
Allen Park, Michigan USA
Posted: Apr 28, 2007, 3:51 AM CST
In response to:
First and foremost, let me say that this is intended for mature audiences ONLY. Im not looking to start a debate or cause problems.


I would seriously like to talk about racisim, what it is, and how it is viewed.



My view on it: Im tired of hearing that the white people owe somebody something. I dont care what color you are or are not, If you live in the USA you have the same rights as anyone else.

You may be treated differently, but so are people who wear glasses, have braces, bad breath or big ears no matter what color you are. EVERYONE is treated differently but people tend to use their color of skin as an excuse.

You may ask yourself why I would bring this up.....well...Over Spring Break I shuttled a bus of kids to our area's boy's and girl's club. The first day I only had two kids, they were both white....and they were the only white kids in the whole club. Two young girls both age 8. They were going to join the cheerleading camp that the club advertised. These two girls were tormented with words of : White Trash, Wanna Be, Told that white chics need not apply and put to the back of the squad behind two very tall teenage girls. Over the next several days I had more and more kids...all white...all experienced the same treatment. Boys and girls alike were told that they were not welcome, they were excluded from games and called many names.

This made me so I went in, I stayed, I witnessed and what I saw.....
The things these kids were saying to them was true. Now mind you, I spent alot of time with the kids that I transported to this club, telling them to behave, treat everyone the same, dont call people names....the very same thing that was happening to them!

Why now if the tables were turned, people would say they were racist?

Im here to tell you that the reason these kids act this way is because people need to quit living in the past and teaching their children to hate people of other races. I dont want to hear that slavery is part of culture and needs to be taught, its not part of culture, its part of life...a past life that is over and gone and needs to be depleted from every book that has ever been published. You want to stop racisim, stop telling african american children that they are the minority, that they are owed something from society.


Teach children that all people are created equally but come in several different colors. WHY? Because its TRUE. Teach children that years ago people were stupid and did not love one another but now we can. WHY? Because its TRUE.

Teach them this when they are YOUNG, when they are older, perhaps highschool or above, teach them the rest of the history. You are setting them up to hate even before they can learn to love!



Just my .02 Not directed to anyone, or any race, or religion, etc...etc....


unfortunately from the moment we teach our children to not trust strangers we begin the lesson of fear of others different than ourselves

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i think the move to eliminate or outlaw racism is a very dangerous thing. Is it not better to know how someone feels about issues then outlaw that feeling ????
then we'll havepeople acting like they are not racists....
then the accusing begins........
No, in America you should have the right to be a racists, and other should have the right to ignore your rantings,
2 non-racists individuals beat up a racist..... whos right ?whose wrong... freedom of choice, religion, press, these are sacred issues that allow racists to exist take them away what have you really succeeded in doing? wan to eliminate someting do it by example... it works its slower but its done by ones own choice not some law the governemtn telling us what we can and cannot feel about other individuals. be it race ,profession, age, gender,
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LeShoes
Arroyo de la Meil, Andalucia Spain
Posted: Apr 28, 2007, 6:02 AM CST
I dont beleive it will ever be gone.

I am welsh and suffer racism from non welsh all my life and will continue to do so....Appently its funny to call us sheep shaggers e.t.c.......(We do shag them but we let everyone else eat them).....

We then have to defer to remarks like the above to counter funny the prejudice....

Comment for you all as well Scots..short for Scottish, Taffy ...short for Welsh near river Taff....Paddy...Short for Irish.......all deemed as socially acceptable....Paki....short for Pakistan ..is not...why? Surely it is down to the tone you speak not the words mentioned!

I have friends from all over Asia as well as other countries and skin tone does not incur a prejudice from me...Personality does however..... Certain cultures are derogative to women for example....I dont like that from anybody family, friend or foe.......so why should it make me racist ......?

I have English acquaintances that are prejudice against Germans....why? Bullshit breeding contempt that why. I visit places like Cologne for example and wonderful people live there and so genuine hospitable to visitors. These aqauintances are so ignorant they would not even consider talking to someone from there let alone visiting a country to see for themselves.

Shame and sad to see.....




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cristina
Lisbon, Groningen Netherlands
Posted: Apr 29, 2007, 6:10 AM CST
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Americans hate to be told that their culture is often based by the hatred of other people, particularly foreigners.

But racism and bigotry are a fact of American life, which is built on the decades of civil rights abuses of African Americans and other minorities.

- Devah Pager, a sociologist at Northwestern University, conducted a study in Milwaukee which showed whites with a criminal record were more likely to be hired for a job than similarly qualified blacks with no criminal record.

- A recent study by the National Community Reinvestment Coalition showed that subprime lending activity typically increases in neighborhoods with greater numbers of blacks, even when other factors such as income, creditworthiness and housing are constant.

- According to a study by the Russell Sage Foundation, blacks are 36-44 percent less likely to be hired in white suburbs even if they search for work longer and more aggressively and are equally qualified to their white counterparts.

- Estimates by the Urban Institute indicate that blacks lose over $120 billion in wages due to labor market discrimination every year.

- The Wall Street Journal has reported that almost 70 percent of whites with poor credit are still able to receive a mortgage loan whereas only 16 percent of blacks with equally poor credit could do the same.

Yeah, yeah, it seems like it's a great luck borning white in America.
I really don't understand why would this issue be so philosofied...this shows how strong the issue is in America,
This shows how racist they are cause it really needs a great debate...
Why would you be arrogant because you were born with a certain color?
Again, when ever you talk at the press or wherever in a separating manneers, it stress everyone. We all know how we feel inside whenever we hear: white music, black music, white this, black this...this is a form of separation...

I never saw, correct me if my instincts are wrong, but it makes much more sense in America asking the rough musician Emminem a question such as: "Why have you decided to go for black music" instead of: "Why have you decided to go for rap music"

There are expressions that do instigate racism, even if you think you don't want to, both parts must feel uncomfortable expressing those words!
So, please, change the vocabulary first...call things by their names and not my the colors cause this is a way of segregation!!!!!

I love a lot of things in America, this really desappoints me!



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heinzketchup
Svalbard, Bundesland Germany
Posted: Apr 29, 2007, 7:43 AM CST
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I dont beleive it will ever be gone.

I am welsh and suffer racism from non welsh all my life and will continue to do so....Appently its funny to call us sheep shaggers e.t.c.......(We do shag them but we let everyone else eat them).....

We then have to defer to remarks like the above to counter funny the prejudice....

Comment for you all as well Scots..short for Scottish, Taffy ...short for Welsh near river Taff....Paddy...Short for Irish.......all deemed as socially acceptable....Paki....short for Pakistan ..is not...why? Surely it is down to the tone you speak not the words mentioned!

I have friends from all over Asia as well as other countries and skin tone does not incur a prejudice from me...Personality does however..... Certain cultures are derogative to women for example....I dont like that from anybody family, friend or foe.......so why should it make me racist ......?

I have English acquaintances that are prejudice against Germans....why? Bullshit breeding contempt that why. I visit places like Cologne for example and wonderful people live there and so genuine hospitable to visitors. These aqauintances are so ignorant they would not even consider talking to someone from there let alone visiting a country to see for themselves.

Shame and sad to see.....




Germany? If I would have a dark skin I ´d visit the eastern counties in Germany only with bodyguards...
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xfahctor
lancaster, New Hampshire USA
Posted: Apr 29, 2007, 7:53 AM CST
First of all, highfidelity, I have read several of your posts in other threads too, you have a VERY twisted and mis-informed view of my country, get your fats straight before you post about it, or better yet, live here first.
second, the following is are a few posts i put in my paid forum (yes, a shameless plug...lol). to wit:
"I know for a fact that Im going to be torn apart for this but i feel it has to be said. Rapper m1 in his "music" uses lyrics like "slap a white boy". Now if we change the word white to black, what would happen? people would be screaming, lawsuits would ensue and carreers would probably be ended. I just listened to m1 defend this very line in the song by stating that it was part of the fight against white capitalist, white system and that it was justified. He also said to change the word to black would be racist and not justifiable because of the oppression of blacks."
part 2:
"Remember when that danish newspaper published that cartoon featuring a cartoon muhamehd? People burned the american and the danish flag ( I dont know how we(the states) got in that one but, whatever), And stormed the danish embasies in several nations to preove that they weren't violent. Now I know for a fact that arab newspapers in some countries regularly publish satirical cartoons of christ, heck, there are college newspapers that publish satirical pictures of christ, but you dont see christians storming embasies or burning efigies and flags."
racism will end when:
a. the world accepts that we are all people. period
b. when the world stops looking hundreds of years in the past to justify their own racism.
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