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kidatheart Earth, Alberta Canada
The quaility of health care in Canada is excellent and NO, it's not free.
The biggest problem we're facing is big business (insurance/pharma etc.) trying to destroy it by influencing or bribing our elected officials to get rid of it so they can make a profit.
Sound at all familiar?
kidatheart Earth, Alberta Canada
Solitare, great post!
May as well get rid of the Democrats at the same time.
crowman13 Sydney, New South Wales Australia
I agree with you mate, our Australian government is doing the same. Hopefully we vote him out later in the year. As you said your Bush, Blair & Howards are the real terrorists, maybe if their own life or families life was on the line they might change their attitude. Because it is the average joe blow, they couldnt care less how many die through either terrorism or war.
They should all try something alittle different, mind their own business for 20 years or so & keep out of our countries affairs unless asked for help or by the UN that is not run by the USA.
Maybe the so called terrorists might take it easy on us....I am totally against that sort of thing, but dont forget they dont really have any military. Thats the only way they are able to fight, very sad, but the way of the world, we need more love & peace.yay
Lionhearted1967 London, Ontario Canada
doh roll eyes From Mitchell the die hard "Bushy"..roll eyes
Lionhearted1967 London, Ontario Canada
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Presidential address to the nation.

Good evening.

Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.

Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.

I want to explain why I have decided, with the unanimous recommendation of my national security team, to use force in Iraq; why we have acted now; and what we aim to accomplish.

Six weeks ago, Saddam Hussein announced that he would no longer cooperate with the United Nations weapons inspectors called UNSCOM. They are highly professional experts from dozens of countries. Their job is to oversee the elimination of Iraq's capability to retain, create and use weapons of mass destruction, and to verify that Iraq does not attempt to rebuild that capability.

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doh roll eyes From Mitchell the die hard "Bushy"..roll eyes
kidatheart Earth, Alberta Canada
Funny how people (lurkers) just appear out of nowhere!laugh

Hi Lenewave



david1967 Tehran Iran
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Presidential address to the nation.

Good evening.

Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.

Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.

I want to explain why I have decided, with the unanimous recommendation of my national security team, to use force in Iraq; why we have acted now; and what we aim to accomplish.

Six weeks ago, Saddam Hussein announced that he would no longer cooperate with the United Nations weapons inspectors called UNSCOM. They are highly professional experts from dozens of countries. Their job is to oversee the elimination of Iraq's capability to retain, create and use weapons of mass destruction, and to verify that Iraq does not attempt to rebuild that capability.

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With most respect

Why we just pay attention that Saddam did not have mass destruction weapons, though he had, but he destructed all of them before 2003.
If he hadn't, with what he killed about 6.000 Kurdish in Halabche? How he used chamical weapons in war fronts with Iran?
But it is not my point.My point is why we do not say that Saddam Killed thousands inocent women, men and childeren in Iraq,Kuwait and Iran, save soldiers.If lives of these people is not Amrica's bussiness, why America fought with Hitler??? Because Hitler fought with Europeans?
Lionhearted1967 London, Ontario Canada
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Funny how people (lurkers) just appear out of nowhere!laugh

Hi Lenewave
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suel_loup Edwards, Illinois USA
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The quaility of health care in Canada is excellent and NO, it's not free.
The biggest problem we're facing is big business (insurance/pharma etc.) trying to destroy it by influencing or bribing our elected officials to get rid of it so they can make a profit.
Sound at all familiar?
According to this article (http://acuf.org/issues/issue5/040205gov.asp) you are the only one out of ten canadians who believe your socialized healthcare system is "excellent". As per profits... is there something wrong with making a profit and improving your position in life? Whether it be big petrolium or big pharmacuticals... mom and pop businesses or the kid that has a lemonade stand- businesses are in business to make a profit by providing goods and services that people want or need (Business 101). Profits go towards many things- Just to name a few...expanding/employing individuals, research and development of new products, equpiment, and paying invested shareholders. Logic dictates that those businesses who don't profit- don't stay in business (including charity organizations). Profits pay the bills. If there is blame to be assigned- blame your elected officials who accept bribes.

A side note observation not directed at anyone here- It's been my experience that those who complain the most about large businesses (usually it's about Wal-Mart) are the jealous and envious ones... bitter at the success of others, at their own lack of success, and complain how life isn't fair. My reply has always been "Work hard, have a product/invention/concept people want/need, please your fellow man with your product and you too will be financially successful". People who have the drive and motivation to succeed will succeed.



kidatheart Earth, Alberta Canada
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According to this article (http://acuf.org/issues/issue5/040205gov.asp) you are the only one out of ten canadians who believe your socialized healthcare system is "excellent". As per profits... is there something wrong with making a profit and improving your position in life? Whether it be big petrolium or big pharmacuticals... mom and pop businesses or the kid that has a lemonade stand- businesses are in business to make a profit by providing goods and services that people want or need (Business 101). Profits go towards many things- Just to name a few...expanding/employing individuals, research and development of new products, equpiment, and paying invested shareholders. Logic dictates that those businesses who don't profit- don't stay in business (including charity organizations). Profits pay the bills. If there is blame to be assigned- blame your elected officials who accept bribes.

A side note observation not directed at anyone here- It's been my experience that those who complain the most about large businesses (usually it's about Wal-Mart) are the jealous and envious ones... bitter at the success of others, at their own lack of success, and complain how life isn't fair. My reply has always been "Work hard, have a product/invention/concept people want/need, please your fellow man with your product and you too will be financially successful". People who have the drive and motivation to succeed will succeed.



I have no problem with people making a profit. I just simply don't want to see our health care system turn into what you have in the US. I'm all for keeping our current system and keeping corporations from taking over. I don't see how privatising health care will improve the quality. People's health and welfare shouldn't be for profit in the first place. It should be about people. If profit is what motivates you then don't get into medicine.
I will admit there are long waiting lists for some procedures and a few other minor problems but overall I still say the quality is excellent. Ask your average Canadian how they feel rather than looking at websites where disinformation is spread by those who want to see our system dismantled so they can make a profit.



suel_loup Edwards, Illinois USA
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I have no problem with people making a profit. I just simply don't want to see our health care system turn into what you have in the US. I'm all for keeping our current system and keeping corporations from taking over. I don't see how privatising health care will improve the quality. People's health and welfare shouldn't be for profit in the first place. It should be about people. If profit is what motivates you then don't get into medicine.
I will admit there are long waiting lists for some procedures and a few other minor problems but overall I still say the quality is excellent. Ask your average Canadian how they feel rather than looking at websites where disinformation is spread by those who want to see our system dismantled so they can make a profit.
Perhaps I'm biased being an Amercian supporting Amercian values (as in the belief our medical system is the best in the world). As I stated earlier in this thread- I challenged anyone to show/prove where a government can run ANY program better than private enterprise (stipulation- freely elected government that provides competition). The governments sole purpose is to take and redistribute... businesses (private enterprise) sole purpose is to give (as in providing goods and services) and do it in an efficient manner to profit (for previously state reasons). Most technologies and advances in science/medicine come from private enterprise to begin with. "People's health and welfare shouldn't be for profit in the first place". You are saying nobody should profit then. Simplistic analogy- A farmer grows food (food being a pretty important thing for the overall health and welfare of everyone I believe). According to you he should not profit. Ok, the farmer doesn't profit (who could have purchased more land to grow more food or buy more efficient equipment... to feed more people); Subsequently, neither does the seed dealer (profits going toward research for better seeds), nor the tractor manufacturer (profits going towards development of better ways to plant/harvest... and so on all the way to the miner who digs ore for the metal to make that tractor. All whom need to eat (unless the government has secretly developed a magic pill that eliminates the requirement to consume food). You can apply this analogy to just about every profession (except government). Thankfully your opinion on who and who shouldn't enter the medical field based on your motivational criteria isn't realistic; Otherwise, we'd have no medical system to speak.

Long waiting lists, eh? So that's why more Canadians come to the US for medical attention than Americans going to Canada for their surgical proceedures? If you are pleased with your system and it works for you, that's great and that all that matters, yes? I really don't have the time nor inclination to ask "average" Canadians about something that doesn't even affect or concern me (yet). First, I have no idea what an "average" Canadian looks or sounds like. Hypothetically speaking- Say I were to ask and the replies didn't fit your expectations (and confirmed the above listed websites statistics) what would be your reply then? I work for large pharma? I didn't ask the right "average" Canadians? I work for an insurance company? I'm part of the conspiracy? It would an exercise in futility. Typical forum tactics- If it confirms what you believe, it's truth. If not... lies, propaganda, biased information. One thing for sure though- there is no subsitute for good ol logic and common sense.



david1967 Tehran Iran
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Perhaps I'm biased being an Amercian supporting Amercian values (as in the belief our medical system is the best in the world). As I stated earlier in this thread- I challenged anyone to show/prove where a government can run ANY program better than private enterprise (stipulation- freely elected government that provides competition). The governments sole purpose is to take and redistribute... businesses (private enterprise) sole purpose is to give (as in providing goods and services) and do it in an efficient manner to profit (for previously state reasons). Most technologies and advances in science/medicine come from private enterprise to begin with. "People's health and welfare shouldn't be for profit in the first place". You are saying nobody should profit then. Simplistic analogy- A farmer grows food (food being a pretty important thing for the overall health and welfare of everyone I believe). According to you he should not profit. Ok, the farmer doesn't profit (who could have purchased more land to grow more food or buy more efficient equipment... to feed more people); Subsequently, neither does the seed dealer (profits going toward research for better seeds), nor the tractor manufacturer (profits going towards development of better ways to plant/harvest... and so on all the way to the miner who digs ore for the metal to make that tractor. All whom need to eat (unless the government has secretly developed a magic pill that eliminates the requirement to consume food). You can apply this analogy to just about every profession (except government). Thankfully your opinion on who and who shouldn't enter the medical field based on your motivational criteria isn't realistic; Otherwise, we'd have no medical system to speak.

Long waiting lists, eh? So that's why more Canadians come to the US for medical attention than Americans going to Canada for their surgical proceedures? If you are pleased with your system and it works for you, that's great and that all that matters, yes? I really don't have the time nor inclination to ask "average" Canadians about something that doesn't even affect or concern me (yet). First, I have no idea what an "average" Canadian looks or sounds like. Hypothetically speaking- Say I were to ask and the replies didn't fit your expectations (and confirmed the above listed websites statistics) what would be your reply then? I work for large pharma? I didn't ask the right "average" Canadians? I work for an insurance company? I'm part of the conspiracy? It would an exercise in futility. Typical forum tactics- If it confirms what you believe, it's truth. If not... lies, propaganda, biased information. One thing for sure though- there is no subsitute for good ol logic and common sense.
I think if US was winner of war, there was no disscussion about it.But now...



suel_loup Edwards, Illinois USA
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To those who dare tell others especially their own countrymen that it is wrong, that it is un-patriotic or un-american to criticize your leaders, here is a quote from Theodore Roosevelt that is most often ignored, read it and try to think about it :
" To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only UNPATRIOTIC and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American people." Perhaps more of you should know your political history a lot better.
While I have your attention, may I offer this interesting quote from every one's favourite talk-show host, Johnny Carson, who never went for saying much that is memorable, but this is unique:
Democracy is buying a big house you can't afford with money you don't have to impress people you wish were dead.
And, unlike communism, democracy does not mean having just one ineffective political party; it means having two ineffective political parties.
Democracy is welcoming people from other lands, and giving them something to hold onto---usually a mop or a leaf blower.
It means that with proper timing and scrupulous bookkeeping, anyone can die owing the government a huge amount of money....
Democracy means free television, not good television, but free.
And finally, democracy is the eagle on the back of a dollar bill, with 13 arrows in one claw, 13 leaves on a branch, 13 tail feathers, and 13 stars over its head---this signifies that when the white man came to this country, it was bad luck for the Indians, bad luck for the trees, bad luck for the wildlife, and lights out for the American eagle."
A lot of metaphors in that piece; well to figure out what he meant.
Reading all these posts, I must admit that I'm astounded at the volume of coherent, well worded opinions and a general sense of agreement among so many. It is positively "uplifting" to read from mature adults who can express themselves with reasoned well informed opinions and not the usual primitive sanctimonious canned responses from political puppets who are desperate to "tow the line" of the totally corrupt and truly vile regime that presently governs you, just waiting to have your name turned in by some deluded patriot to this regime...perhaps after all this turmoil is settled and your troops are back in your own country with everyone licking their wounds over this latest blood-letting, try taking a page from other countries to try and prevent this from ever happening again; ban outright this Republican party that has so damaged your country; (remember Vietnam...same party that escalated that war...and brought you defeat by a third world but dedicated people's army). Disband it, ban it and go after it's officials; clean house for once, go after the multinationals and all the corporations that aided and abetted this war and made huge profits doing it. Close down and try their directors, chairmen and board members; follow their money trails. Try them and execute them. Don't let your grand kids endure another war for profits...maybe then the rest of the world will believe and trust you again. Tat world still outnumbers you, why keep making more enemies...
Overall, I would generally agree with this post, with the exception of attaching blame exclusively to the Republican party and a few other minor details that have gone unaddressed. Even with a Democrat controlled congress now- the dog and pony show continues. The Democrat controlled congress has the ability to stop this war tomorrow- by voting to cut off funding (even though I believe congress is on break now...stopping the war must not be THAT important to them afterall). A point in history I believe you have erred on. The escalation in the Vietnam actually began and was pertpetrated by President Lyndon B. Johnson (democrat) and democratic controlled congress with the phoney "Gulf of Tonkin" resolution (after John Kennedy's (democrat) introduction of "advisors"). Granted, Richard Nixon (republican) escalated it further with bombing sortes and such... ending in defeat as you indicated. I don't believe corporations/businesses are to blame at all. They are only doing what they are meant to do- create, manufacture, and sell products for profit. By making the indictment to try and execute corporate executives- you indict each and every person at this site as a conspirator. Example- Are Microsoft technologies being used in Iraq to fight this war? Yes... and chances are most people here have purchased and are using the same products (Windows operating system) from the same (for profit) corporation. Haliburton- put out oil well fires in Iraq when Saddam Hussien had them ignited during the first Gulf War. If you use ANY gasoline or oil... you're complicit again. Then only reason corporations have money to begin with- is because people like you and I buy/use their products we want or need. When pointing a finger at coporations- three fingers are pointed back at us. The true hypocrisy of war in my opinion is the person who speaks out against it... while continuing to fund it through their lifestyle choices and financially reaps the benefits from it personally.
kidatheart Earth, Alberta Canada
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Perhaps I'm biased being an Amercian supporting Amercian values (as in the belief our medical system is the best in the world). As I stated earlier in this thread- I challenged anyone to show/prove where a government can run ANY program better than private enterprise (stipulation- freely elected government that provides competition). The governments sole purpose is to take and redistribute... businesses (private enterprise) sole purpose is to give (as in providing goods and services) and do it in an efficient manner to profit (for previously state reasons). Most technologies and advances in science/medicine come from private enterprise to begin with. "People's health and welfare shouldn't be for profit in the first place". You are saying nobody should profit then. Simplistic analogy- A farmer grows food (food being a pretty important thing for the overall health and welfare of everyone I believe). According to you he should not profit. Ok, the farmer doesn't profit (who could have purchased more land to grow more food or buy more efficient equipment... to feed more people); Subsequently, neither does the seed dealer (profits going toward research for better seeds), nor the tractor manufacturer (profits going towards development of better ways to plant/harvest... and so on all the way to the miner who digs ore for the metal to make that tractor. All whom need to eat (unless the government has secretly developed a magic pill that eliminates the requirement to consume food). You can apply this analogy to just about every profession (except government). Thankfully your opinion on who and who shouldn't enter the medical field based on your motivational criteria isn't realistic; Otherwise, we'd have no medical system to speak.

Long waiting lists, eh? So that's why more Canadians come to the US for medical attention than Americans going to Canada for their surgical proceedures? If you are pleased with your system and it works for you, that's great and that all that matters, yes? I really don't have the time nor inclination to ask "average" Canadians about something that doesn't even affect or concern me (yet). First, I have no idea what an "average" Canadian looks or sounds like. Hypothetically speaking- Say I were to ask and the replies didn't fit your expectations (and confirmed the above listed websites statistics) what would be your reply then? I work for large pharma? I didn't ask the right "average" Canadians? I work for an insurance company? I'm part of the conspiracy? It would an exercise in futility. Typical forum tactics- If it confirms what you believe, it's truth. If not... lies, propaganda, biased information. One thing for sure though- there is no subsitute for good ol logic and common sense.
Why are you wasting your time on a dating site?
You should get in to politics! You seem to be bent on nothing more than profits and winning.
The Republicans could use someone with your talents to spin themselves to a victory.



tip hat



suel_loup Edwards, Illinois USA
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Why are you wasting your time on a dating site?
You should get in to politics! You seem to be bent on nothing more than profits and winning.
The Republicans could use someone with your talents to spin themselves to a victory.



tip hat
Very good question. My reply would be- Most likely the same reason(s) you and most others are here. I'm flattered with the suggestion of getting into politics; However, I would rather do more productive and profitable things with my life. I can accept your opinion of being "bent on profits". Profits (meaning "gain/benefit") comes in many different shapes and forms (other than financially) my friend. Education for example- If you learned something new from someone else- do you not profit from their knowledge? Does not the person who works out in the gym profit with better health? Without profit (in any area, including medicine and healthcare)- there is stagnation leading to decline. If you are implying "winning" as a result of hard work, try to do the best in every endeavor undertaken, and attempting to be the best person possible- fantastic observation on your behalf- Kudos! Republicans, Democrats, and Indpendents don't need another spin doctor in my opinion. The only thing I could/would prescribe is honesty, integrity, and ethics suppliments and perform a radical hypocrisectomy.
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