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Again, you're basing this belief on what you know of life as we define it...

What if we declared War on Mars when we sent Mariner over and sterilized the soil...?

What if AIDS is the Martians doing their thing?

And who says a virus isn't sentient?

Or mold spores for that matter?

Yeah...lots of what-ifs...

If we ever do have a First Contact Situation, no amount of speculation will ever prepare us for it...Alien means just that, something we cannot and never will be able to understand...

Peace

Is there an english version of this , cause I can't read a foreign language?

what are you getting yourself into?

There really is no more that can be said.........those who don't believe....won't....those that do, will always........it's no different than discussing religion....fact.....fiction....proof....science....it's a debate that has no right nor wrong answer...........it's hashing over the same information.....it's saying the same thing in different terminology.

Personally.....I'd like to spend my Saturday night going out to eat.....getting a couple drinks and then coming home and making love for a couple hours..............but........ya'll have fun here.....................

There is a fundamental difference between experiment and experience. An experiment can be repeated under controlled conditions, an experience not necessarily so. Hence, only the former is accepted by science. Obviously a scientist can become more experienced in this craft, but that's a different thing. We are always learning and even removing old theories as they become obsolete. The point we are trying to make is that if you want to be taken seriously, you need to apply the rules of logic and reason. That's all that science is about. It's a method, a tool, not a belief system. It should be applied in all fields because any other method of explanation does not make any rational sense. If you can use real science, and I mean real, and you can prove to me that aliens exist and they make sand castles on mars and all that, I have no problems with it. That's not, however, what I've seen so far. And remember, extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence.

Basically it means just because you can't explain something with science , doesn't mean it isn't real,

Funguy, please don't consider this a personal attack.

You suffer from the same blindness most empiricists suffer from. "I haven't tested it, so it must not be real." The Drake equation makes many suppositions. It is all based on estimates of things we cannot measure and cannot know. The actual number of stars, the actual number of planets, the actual length of time any given civilization is in existence. There is a statement somewhere in one of the responses or links, "Even if they existed, it would be too expensive to travel here." It should be pointed out that that is by our standards only. Less than 150 years ago, they would have said, "Even if there was life on the moon they couldn't get here. What would they do, throw water in front of the boat so they could sail this far?" The assumption is only a minimally advanced level of development beyond ours with such statements. We might miss intelligent life that is pre-radio. (Given the narrowness of our current search, we may miss many planets right now that actually do have radio.)

Some of us are hopeful that a truly advanced civilisation beyond ours would still be listening, even if they stopped broadcasting into the ether so many years ago that their signals passed by while the dinosaurs ruled. Some of our hopeful that their energy techonology has advanced beyond basic petrochemical reaction engines to something we haven't dreamed of, and that it won't bankrupt their system to travel space. Some of us hope that a sufficiently advanced system would have advanced beyond Einstiein's unfinished Unified Field Theory, completing it and searching for the next step. Was it Heinlein that said any sufficiently advanced technology appears as magic? Maybe we have seen magic. I'm not going to disallow it because I can't measure it yet.

Thankyou !
I need a swoosh over the head icon, it sure would help me, Ha !!

If you read the whole thread, no one claimed these where flown by anyone. That your words not ours, Basically you calling all of us liars. We know what we seen. You keep basing all your comments strictly on opinion. Opinion id fine but it gets very redundant to say the least.

Very well written Nightowl.

Charlie I sent a lnik to the inage of the castle. That's it no other info. Ther are many shots of this from different angles, that all I could find online right now, My Pc is loaded with the good shots and the pages with infos

Any Time Princess

Reasoning is fine, but to make a decision based on opinion is foolish.

Unfortunately that's not at all what it means. You were saying if you don't know a scientific explanation for something then consequently it must have another explanation. That's a wrong logical conclusion. I've said this about a million times before. Just because you cannot explain something scientifically yet, means we were just not able to find or understand it so far. A hundred years ago we didn't know about DNA, that didn't mean that the genetic code had to be a supernatural force at the time or maybe a tiny alien holding on to all the information. It just meant that we weren't able to explain it yet logically with the knowledge at the time, but we are now.

B N D

Im looken at it now and Diggen it, I hadn't seen these yet.
Great stuff.


Chaz

Then you should stop doing it.

Yes but opinion must be always proportional to validation.

Ok, I'm sitting here, half naked.....(mostly all naked) he hasn't noticed.....

BND....step away from the computer

okay, somehow this page went pear-shaped and hard to read...I'm done with this thread until they fix it....

I told you that I think the Drake equation is nonsense. There are other calculations you can do. That's all I can tell you. You can take it or leave it. I have a hard time explaining to people what I'm talking about as it is.