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Should stupid people be saved from their own stupidity

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fireliter
Allen Park, Michigan USA
Posted: Aug 14, 2007, 1:15 PM CST
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Ive made many dumb mistakes and thankfully not been eugenicised

We simply live and learn

Gerry Rafferty said it right - if you get it wrong you get it right next time'
I prefer to think of what you call mistakes as discovering another way that it won't work.

Edison had a quote and it escapes me... but it would suit my response perfectly.
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tinymac
hilversum, Flevoland Netherlands
Posted: Aug 14, 2007, 1:24 PM CST
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still begs an answer to the question... what makes another think they are wiser?

I've yet to learn a thing from anothers mistake but have learnt plenty from my own!
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for me is usually the other way around!

wisdom is a powerfull thing - but even the wisest of us can be made to look foolish sometimes!!!

it often depends on perspective and cultural values!

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trish123
Lancashire, England UK
Posted: Aug 14, 2007, 1:26 PM CST
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Eugenics happen in family household all the time, in a sense.

Parents telling their kids what freinds to hang with and "she comes from a good family, he comes from a good family"..

The scary part is with embryonic research taking off like it is and DNA being understood more and more each day.

This developing the "master race" thing is alive and well and thriving thru-out the world.

Stupid people are being eliminated, if not by their own hand then science will swing the hammer upon their head.

figuratively speaking.... unless maybe sceintist design a drug that strengthens the cranium... then for testing purposes only .
Yes but thankfully not to the extent that Hitler and some others would have had it happen.

In the family there is a semblance but I think society is facing an increasing dilemma of children not listening to anybody but each other.

The master race thing is mainly driven by religious zealotry and problems with overblown ego's - hopefully the spirituality movement will help address these unbalances.

I dont think we need interfere at all - survival of the fittest endures in many areas of our lives - what gets me is the struggle when we are faced with unsuitable politicians and rulers etc - t hese people have learned to manipulate events - it saddens me immensely that these things can happen

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Montanaguy2007
Pray's countryside, Montana USA
Posted: Aug 14, 2007, 1:30 PM CST
Absolutely comfort ... we're each ignorant or 'stupid' as the question states ... at one time or another, or on one subject or the next. Yes, some more than others. If you help a fellow man (woman), I believe it will not only improve his/her moment ... but yours as well, in the moment and moreso in the moments to follow. Personally, I see it as the 'Golden Rule' and to an extent ... do you simply watch someone get 'say' robbed, or do you help?handshake
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tampa1
London, Ontario Canada
Posted: Aug 14, 2007, 1:31 PM CST
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should intelligent people or those with common sense intervene to prevent stupid from being taken advantage of, or making a mistake?
The stupid can't be helped no matter how much the governments think they can protect them. All that happens is the rest of us get dragged down to the same level.
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Posted: Aug 14, 2007, 1:37 PM CST
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Absolutely ... we're each ignorant or 'stupid' as the question states ... at one time or another, or on one subject or the next. Yes, some more than others. If you help a fellow man (woman), I believe it will not only improve his/her moment ... but yours as well, in the moment and moreso in the moments to follow. Personally, I see it as the 'Golden Rule' and to an extent ... do you simply watch someone get 'say' robbed, or do you help?
Helping a victim of anothers predation is not the same as helping a person who is a victim only of themselves...

Thus why junkies are ineligible for most organ transplants...

The organ is much better served by saving the life of someone who will respect and appreciate another's sacrifice, and not think of it as a further opportunity to abuse themselves more...
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lorraine
Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: Aug 14, 2007, 1:38 PM CST
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Ive made many dumb mistakes and thankfully not been eugenicised

We simply live and learn

Gerry Rafferty said it right - if you get it wrong you get it right next time'
And that does not make you stupid. even the gifted among us make mistakes and need a helping hand now and again.
It is a societys duty to protect the weaker members of the community and they will always be there, the aged, the sick, the people who for whatever reason have not got the tools to help themselves.
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trish123
Lancashire, England UK
Posted: Aug 14, 2007, 1:41 PM CST
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And that does not make you stupid. even the gifted among us make mistakes and need a helping hand now and again.
It is a societys duty to protect the weaker members of the community and they will always be there, the aged, the sick, the people who for whatever reason have not got the tools to help themselves.
Hi Lorraine - what a good point you make, there is such a difference between helping the sick, aged and less fortunate and simply wiping them out handshake
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lorraine
Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: Aug 14, 2007, 1:42 PM CST
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Helping a victim of anothers predation is not the same as helping a person who is a victim only of themselves...

Thus why junkies are ineligible for most organ transplants...

The organ is much better served by saving the life of someone who will respect and appreciate another's sacrifice, and not think of it as a further opportunity to abuse themselves more...
junkies,alcholics,are human beings and as such have the same rights as the rest of us.
Many people with addiction problems overcome their problems and go on to lead very productive lives.
who has the right to decide who is more deserving, not me.
Already here doctors are not treating smokers, obese,addicts, and probable the mentally ill.
and there but for the grace of god go I.
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trish123
Lancashire, England UK
Posted: Aug 14, 2007, 1:43 PM CST
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junkies,alcholics,are human beings and as such have the same rights as the rest of us.
Many people with addiction problems overcome their problems and go on to lead very productive lives.
who has the right to decide who is more deserving, not me.
Already here doctors are not treating smokers, obese,addicts, and probable the mentally ill.
and there but for the grace of god go I.
or many of us thumbs up
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Posted: Aug 14, 2007, 1:44 PM CST
I believe that the mistakes we make teach us as much as the great choices. Teaching school taught me that always being positive does not teach as well as allowing people to make their own choices. We always remember the choices that did not work out and with any luck grow and learn from those "errors"
Taking over for someone we consider "stupid" robs them of their ability to make choices and learn from those choices. We do not have that rightscold
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lorraine
Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: Aug 14, 2007, 1:47 PM CST
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I believe that the mistakes we make teach us as much as the great choices. Teaching school taught me that always being positive does not teach as well as allowing people to make their own choices. We always remember the choices that did not work out and with any luck grow and learn from those "errors"
Taking over for someone we consider "stupid" robs them of their ability to make choices and learn from those choices. We do not have that right


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what may seem like a stupid choice for me might be the only choice or the best thing to do for someone else
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lorraine
Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: Aug 14, 2007, 1:48 PM CST
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or many of us
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tinymac
hilversum, Flevoland Netherlands
Posted: Aug 14, 2007, 1:49 PM CST
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junkies,alcholics,are human beings and as such have the same rights as the rest of us.
Many people with addiction problems overcome their problems and go on to lead very productive lives.
who has the right to decide who is more deserving, not me.
Already here doctors are not treating smokers, obese,addicts, and probable the mentally ill.
and there but for the grace of god go I.
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Posted: Aug 14, 2007, 1:52 PM CST
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junkies,alcholics,are human beings and as such have the same rights as the rest of us.
Many people with addiction problems overcome their problems and go on to lead very productive lives.
who has the right to decide who is more deserving, not me.
Already here doctors are not treating smokers, obese,addicts, and probable the mentally ill.
and there but for the grace of god go I.
Yes...they have the same rights, and accordingly, the same responsibilities...

I'm not comfortable receiving help from another unless I can't do for myself...unfortunately, lots of people are quite comfortable letting someone else deal with their responsibilities, and reaping the benefits of another's sweat. Yeah, there but for the grace of god go I, and maybe also with the complete lobotomy of my sense of personal responsibility...D'oh!

I'm not judging these people, I just don't think I should give a man a fish, when I can teach him to fish...
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lorraine
Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: Aug 14, 2007, 1:58 PM CST
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Yes...they have the same rights, and accordingly, the same responsibilities...

I'm not comfortable receiving help from another unless I can't do for myself...unfortunately, lots of people are quite comfortable letting someone else deal with their responsibilities, and reaping the benefits of another's sweat. Yeah, there but for the grace of god go I, and maybe also with the complete lobotomy of my sense of personal responsibility...

I'm not judging these people, I just don't think I should give a man a fish, when I can teach him to fish...
by all means teach him to fish. take the time and show the interest.
but if he doesn't get it right first time and is not up to our perceived standards, don't let him starve.

I find it really difficult to ask for help. I would move a mountain before I would admit that I needed a leg up.
I hope I am always in that position to help myself.
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tinymac
hilversum, Flevoland Netherlands
Posted: Aug 14, 2007, 1:59 PM CST
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by all means teach him to fish. take the time and show the interest.
but if he doesn't get it right first time and is not up to our perceived standards, don't let him starve.

I find it really difficult to ask for help. I would move a mountain before I would admit that I needed a leg up.
I hope I am always in that position to help myself.
how about a leg-over?

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lorraine
Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: Aug 14, 2007, 2:00 PM CST
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how about a leg-over?

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tinymac
hilversum, Flevoland Netherlands
Posted: Aug 14, 2007, 2:02 PM CST
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constanza
Los Angeles, California USA
Posted: Aug 14, 2007, 2:03 PM CST
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lol

for me is usually the other way around!

wisdom is a powerfull thing - but even the wisest of us can be made to look foolish sometimes!!!

it often depends on perspective and cultural values!

It also depends on whether you see the complete picture.laugh
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