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yes, unfortunately you´re right. But such thinks like this with this woman makes me angry and sad!

Me too, but sometimes we have to accept that, that is thier laws and ways, we may not agree with them yet it is not our place to disagree and look down on them for it...

You cannot go to another country and expect them to change thier laws for you, now is your ignorance of thier laws an excuse to keep you out of thier jails....

and last week a boy, I think 14 of French nationality was gang raped by Saudi men the parents tried to press charges and the boy was arrested for inciting it , taking part in a homosexual practice. He is looking at several years in a Saudi prison. The family has appealed to the French Govt. for help.
One of the men questioned said he had aids...
The Saudis are an extremist and bizarre sect of the Muslim teachings, of which most do not condone...but the Saudis are so damn rich, they have become a law unto themselves. Last but the least, they are friends with the Bush family...that also excuses Saudis from any justice. Sick world.

It's terribly difficult to understand how such a culture could treat a woman in such a way. Understanding Islam is difficult enough, and this just doesn't help one bit.

Another misogynistic law to keep the females under the thumb.

Make me appreciate where I live.

Read the book ''Not without my daughter'' and you will find the reasons and realize how lucky you are living in a free country...

Saw the movie it was rough....

It is not our place to question the ways and laws of other cultures. What seems barbaric to one could be commonplace for another.
Why must we always look down and expect them to look up in awe at us... At our perfectly harmonious culture... Where murder and rape don't exist, and crime is always dealt with fairly and justly.
What I find sick about this is the media's reason for presenting it. That reason being to enrage the viewer and thereby dehumanize a culture and its people.
I don't agree that its is ok to be raped and then punished for being raped, but I'm not an expert of the worldwide right and wrong... none of us are.

Fair comment, but when the law is evidently so unballanced as to be misogynistic, it leaves one wondering as to the justice element.

And no, we're not judging Islam, at least that wasn't the aim of my comment...it just makes it a little more difficult to comprehend.

Western justice? As flawed as they come my friend, but a rape victim is treated as a victim, not a criminal.

It leaves my wondering too. Its very wrong in my eyes... buy my eyes have only seen one condition (that this is wrong). Therefore, what I see means nothing and is completely different than what a person of a different culture sees.

I actually wasn't talking about Islam, and I can understand it is sometimes hard to comprehend.

For what we see, Western Justice looks pretty good to us. However, after seeing a lawyer run down a young child's new $6000 dog and sue the family for damages to her car. The victim is not always treated as the victim here either. Moreover, once a rape goes to trial in a western justice system the victim is further victimized by the process and defense (treating the victim a lot like a criminal).

Ok,

Saudi and Muslim dont go hand in hand

Saudi is a Country that makes its own laws . Muslim is a religion that is shared by many even in the USA, Germany, Canada, and elsewhere. Now having said that...I was married to a muslim for 8 years who NEVER belittled me, never mistreated me, and never once verbally or physically abused me.

We have people right here in the USA that beat their wives, Only here we call it "Domestic Violence" But if a Saudi does it then the whole religion is responsible? Women are gang raped here in the US, So should we blame the Christians, Catholics or what???

Although the US has "Its Rights" dont think for one moment that people dont do this here....Violence knows no religion, region or color.


JMHO

There is a big difference - and other Middle Eastern countries completely are outraged by the Saudi way the same as we are !

The Chair of the UAE Businesswomen Council, Sheikha Fatima bint Mubarak, said:

“We in the Arab world have no longer wanted to see women standing on the margin of events. Women should work hand-in-hand with men to achieve progress and prosperity we all aspire for”.

Sheikha Fatima told the forum in her opening address that given the opportunity, women could “prove their efficiency and competency, unleash their skills and talents and make their presence felt in society by their positive contributions to national development”.

Women should strive to improve their economic independence by launching their own businesses, she continued, praising UAE leaders for their support of the empowerment of women.

The conference, organised by the council, will highlight the role of women in economic development, and aims to increase women’s awareness of, and ability to deal with challenges in the region.

so... I think the Saudi Kindom is a special only self serving outlaw country to international standards - where only the Rangs and Royal influences are making the difference... They give a very bad name to all the rest of the Arabic World - and have full support from the US -Governement to do so, but so does the US and many other countries on the Globe as well to international human right standards..

I read it. What a shame her story isn't unique.I wonder how many more there are that we dont read about.

I'm a fraid that change will have to come from the women them selves. Change will not come from the out side world. Many women in Saudi Arabia cling to these way more than the men .
Female circumcision is carry out on the orders of the older women not the men

Well said...and something I've never understood.

Why do some women perpetuate this sort of mistreatment?

its unbelivable is'nt it !

can you imagine if they had their way the whole world would be a religous state ....and if you said anything against the religion they can legally kill you ...because they say " thats part of our religion also "





they are the people who decide who you can sleep with or can't sleep with ..who can rape who and can't rape who..and who should be executed for saying ' bad things about their religion'

the men can have as many wives as they want though>> by law

in england we say " they're having a bubblebath " ( meaning their having a laugh )!

good thread

rubbish ...you're talking complete rubbish !

don't try to compare barbaric practices to legal law in america and think that smooths the argument over !

if you run over someones dog ( regardless of how the dog cost ) and it was the dogs fault because it should have been on a lead by law and not caused the accident to damage someones car is no compasrisome to raping people and then punishing the victim because the had no legal right ( has far as their concerned ) in the first place because of stupid selfish laws that men of that country created for themselve so that they can have as many wives as they want and also legally go round raping people

rubbish ...you're talking complete rubbish !

don't try to compare barbaric practices to legal law in america and think that smooths the argument over !

if you run over someones dog ( regardless of how the dog cost ) and it was the dogs fault because it should have been on a lead by law and not caused the accident to damage someones car is no compasrisome to raping people and then punishing the victim because the had no legal right ( has far as their concerned ) in the first place because of stupid selfish laws that men of that country created for themselve so that they can have as many wives as they want and also legally go round raping people

It proves once again, that the United States cares very little for Human Rights, when oil is involved. If the Saudi's had no oil, we(the U.S.) would be very upset and would be punishing the country for Human Rights violations

i still remember the sound our foreign secretaries asshole made about 20years ago when the saudi's threaten to cut off the sale of oil to britain because a britsh tv station exposedhow barbaric they all were over the screening of 'death a princess '

it was about how a member off the saudi royal family ..a princess had her head cut off by a sword ...yes a a sword for deciding that she no longer wanted to spend the rest of her life with a saudi prince but wanted to be with somebody else !




they not only would'nt let her go but executed her for adultry

after the tv show the saudi ambassor to london basically said " you upset us by showing this tv perogramme about us ...no more oil for you people "

the british forrign secrtarie's asshole went pow.. pow.. pa.. pa pappa pow pow! puuuurup





it was one big international crisis about to start for our country ...he had to get on a flight to saudi rabia on his hands and knees and say " please don't cut off the oil supply to our country we love you ever so much ...we've told the tv company that they're were'nt anybody ...and that they must never upset you again ...we'ere very sorru about that your royal hignessness"




it was one of the most grovelling occasionals in british political history shipoker