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yes i'm right and yes i'm different. different, in that i am in control of my own mind and can be trusted to do right by others. if you had to make a choice between leaving your kids with myself or with a junkie in your home which one would you choose? i'm sure you sympathise but would you actually TRUST? i know most would not trust a junkie with their kids as far as they could throw them!

Dude, I know your pain. I've been there myself. You really can't help but hate the person that knocks down your door at 3 in the morning high as a kite and begging you to get the "rats" off them. I've had family members hooked on drugs steal jewlery and beg for money, only to brag about how stupid my father was to lend such a large about to them right outside the front door. And you can't help but feel so angry and hurt that even looking at them makes you sick. And you hate everyone like them because you think they're all the same. So every junkie you see makes you bristle with something like a violent rage.

But you can't hold on to this rage, this hatred. I find there's no point. And the family members are all clean now, with the help of family, friends, and a little forgiveness.

And I feel sorry for the person I see on the corner, who is so high that they can't stand up straight, because I know that rock bottom is a really lonely place, and the fall must've been really long and hard. And if someone tried to help, instead of severing ties with hatred or anger or judgment, maybe that person wouldn't be on that corner.

i happen to know hundreds of junkies
ost of whom i would trust more than you-


sorry

sweeping generalizations never stand
but i respect your choice to remain right
and i cherish mine to be happy

you are no further from being a possible molester than anyone may be
much less a 'junkie' if thats what you are implying...


a 40 yr old guy -up at 3, 4 and 5 am-pissed off and self righteous?
ya never know...
but i dont get a warm fuzzy responsible balanced feeling...

but thats just me



sorry youve made it all about you, it was a general thread i thot-
and its been replied to in a pretty general way-
but since you asked-theres my answer

hey, don't get me wrong. i hate the person they become when they're willing to kill for a quick fix but if they genuinly sought my HELP in an effort to get themselves sorted then i'd do what i can. who knows, if i was able to help them i could be saving some unfortunate pensioner from being their next victim.

lovely and open sharing

im not sure he's in the market for reason or practicing compassion tho-
at least in this area

im glad youve had opportunity to see the cycle cycle-(lol)
cant think must sleep...

you understand youve been changed and had your eyes opened
i am happy for you...its good to understand these pitfalls
when you are young-

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this post was to and for the post captured
im not interested in any arguing...

I went from living in a home which I owned, to living with my daughter now. Life does play tricks on us. I have nothing left of my past life but in some ways much better off now.

I understand about being in a position where life seems hardly worth living, everything seems to be against your survival and there is no more money in your pocket. I've been there. This experience left me with a great deal of compassion for those who find themselves in a dead end - whatever the reason.

Some years later I spent a lot of effort working amongst streetkids and naturally I learned a lot about the problem. The most important things I learned is that:
1)people who are really in need do not ask - they will not find you - you have to find them
2)some peoples problem is not as simple as lack of income or sustanaince - these are the people you refer to as junkies, beggars and scammers.

Some peoples needs can be met with money, food and housing. Those others who are the more visible component however need much more than that. They need to be nursed back to physical, emotional and psychological health before they can start lifting themselves up again. These people need much more than our money - in fact chances are that our money put in their hands just deepen the pit they are in.

Love them and help them - but in the right way

But sometimes they can't seek help. Sometimes YOU have to make an effort to help them. Then they make the choice. "You can lead a horse to water..." and all that jazz, you know what I mean.

intersting how you instantly thought about your children being molested. that was never the implications i was suggesting. i was thinking more of leaving your children with someone who's priorities were drugs before kids. somene who couldn't be trusted to look after them. someone who might leave them alone while they go off looking for a fix. someone who might play hide and seek - and while the kids hide they go seek your valuables and run off with them - yes i've seen this happen to a friend not so long ago too. if you're happy to leave young kids with junkies then that's your decision - but one you're far more likely to regret that than leaving them with someone who is in control of their faculties. wonder how many others out there would be happy to leave children with a junkie.

I try to help when I can where I can to whom I choose - but hear is something to think about

There was (a few years ago) a man in Mesa, AZ who made his living being a beggar. Now you may not believe what I say but he was interviewed on the local news and admitted that he did not want to get a job, he made too much money (approx. $100,000 a year) and had to support his expense home, wife and four kids.

$100,000 a year begging .... thats disgusting

Where do I fill out the application?

Here there's guys that get dropped off daily by the interstate highways w/their signs. The work off commission. Of course that's not the case w/every homeless person, but there are scams.

The best thing a person can do is direct them to a mental health services or a shelter. Giving money only facilitates the addiction (if it's a drug or alcohol problem) I guess everyone sees it differently.

Don't expect anyone to agree...but that's how I see it.

i've re-read this thread over and over and im so confused to what has happened. it came across to me as an innocent thread/question. either im completely stupid and misread it or ppl took words out of proportion. ppl are allowed to have diff opinions on all matters, their opinions and feelings are determined by what has been their life experiences, its based on that. i havent dealt with junkies so i dont have a clear picture of that situation and what happens, so im not bitter with it. but i can understand someones point of view who was wronged by them, same as someone losing their health coverage, home and family. anyways...

Don't lose sleep.... Everyone deals w/issues differently. I don't think you said anything wrong... Also, there were various situations explained...

I can mean a lot to someone who hasn't eaten in days. 10 dollars can seem like a fortune.

True .. BEB...

Life palys its games on everyone .. different ways , different times.

Its easy for us to sit behind a computer screen and contemplate while the truth where the shoe bites is best known to the one who wears it.

Addiction is by far a problem too complex to simplify in to i hate or i like or even right or wrong. Its nnot about controlling your own mind with everyone. Some are vulnerable for genetic reasons some for other reasons . No point seeing the problem. Its important to work back to the root.

Begging is too,a similar issue. Genuinity is often lost too deep. So when you help someone it could be for his gain or yours as you feel better and thank god for being blessed in to a good life.

As someone rightly pointed out , its the way you help that matters. The needy man whom BEB's children helped sounded genuine as he wanted to work. There sure are people like that but the scheming ones make them look small.

So to act wisely with a kind heart goes a long way , i feel !!

Reason enough to Stomp them all?????????

You missed,and never talked to some Recovering Addicts and Alcoholics,or you might have a bit of a different picture.
You might see then,what Uphill Fight they are in for every day.
Scum of this Earth?
For Reason of their Addiction?

After what you've said before Kitty... I'm reeeeeeeally glad for you!

Good Post Conrad