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Obama for president!




Midship
Limerick, Limerick Ireland
Posted: Jan 7, 2008, 7:36 PM CST

I think it would be sad to belong to a Camp that is known to dig for dirt. An earlier post on another thread so no offence intended Shadowlover.

Not a reflection on your post. Just my thoughts.
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Shadow_lover
West Palm, Florida USA
Posted: Jan 7, 2008, 7:42 PM CST
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I think it would be sad to belong to a Camp that is known to dig for dirt. An earlier post on another thread so no offence intended Shadowlover.

Not a reflection on your post. Just my thoughts.
well dirt on Obama was brought out by Fox calling him a Muslim then later retracted (as we all know Fox doesn't worry about the fact they just tell you what they think you should hear ), but it is a fact he has may Muslim relatives, and that’s enough to sway me. I have watched a lot of his interviews and liked him, but not enough to risk it.
None take Mid but would love you to clarify a bit though.
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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: Jan 7, 2008, 7:47 PM CST
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Well honestly I was a big Obama fan, but with his association with Muslims whether he really is one or not I will not cast a vote for him, and I know many other will not for this same reason.
I am not a Hillary either though, I feel she had her chance once and I wasn’t happy with the job she did then. Be honest do you really think Bill had any say so??
As for how My country is run or who is elected, although I appreciate you opinions, I could care less what anyone else in the world thinks, When the rest of the world can support itself and doesn’t need us to hold their hand, or when your country dishes out as much cash to other countries to help them make it, then talk to me about what changes are needed in MY COUNTRY.
Don't agree w/about 20%, but the 80% gets a applause help applause
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Indyfella
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Posted: Jan 7, 2008, 7:48 PM CST
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I see your point of view. As a matter of fact the good and just system in Canada is and has been the reason of great admiration and I beleive a system millions of americans and also many europeans dream to have in thier countries. How ever during last ellection in your country people voted for conservatives which has slowered the process over there and things getting more complicated unfortunatily. What is most important is to ask one self what one wishes for the country to be? If people choose being more self centerised and selfish and if people choose to vote because of fear then they can expect deep changes in the social system of Canada and the price of that choice will be high and will lead to more differences between the poor and the rich ecactly as it has happened in many other countries as well unfortunatily. Right winged has never ever been able to create equaliy in any country what so ever and they just cant do that no matter what they say! It is a bout ideologi and nothing less than that!
Neither has they been able to do any thing positive for the environment and peace when it counts. These facts no body can deny ! The good thing is like in Austrailia people became tired and frustrated after many years of conservative regim and a lot problem that kind of regim was resulted in and they participated in huge numbers in last ellection and sent Mr. Howard back to history books as a politician and really no body could expect that but it happend and the man has not even votes enough to have a seat in Austrailian parliment! Really increadible and a great happiness for peace and equality and justice and a victory for natur I may say and thats how it goes when politicians keep using fear and wars to be able to rule! Canadian system is not created by right winged at all and as a matter of fact I bet they dream a bout capitalising Canada totaly so resources of Canada can be exploited more and pockets can be filled up and the poor ones paying the price of that as it happens any where else in the world when things becoming right winged. I beleive the way out of radichal changes in Canadian system is being active in policy and not giving up and being aware a bout the changes canadian government making over there and dont allowing people to forget what they had and what they are getting!


Something tells me that they have free health care in Denmark....and I'm only taking a wild guess, but I'd say the drugs must be free too.dropping jaw rolling on the floor laughing
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Midship
Limerick, Limerick Ireland
Posted: Jan 7, 2008, 7:57 PM CST
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well dirt on Obama was brought out by Fox calling him a Muslim then later retracted (as we all know Fox doesn't worry about the fact they just tell you what they think you should hear ), but it is a fact he has may Muslim relatives, and that’s enough to sway me. I have watched a lot of his interviews and liked him, but not enough to risk it.
None take Mid but would love you to clarify a bit though.

Clarification: Does a Person stand on what others say or what they stand on?

Barack from what I know has stood on his own. I have seen Hillary tonight on any news I have watched being passed off as the downtrodden ticket...she wasn't...she was playing the...I will hand it to Obama on the I am a female card and do my tears thing on the strength of see me do this and vote for me.

I do apologise for not having sympathy for someone who can so blatantly do the...I am weak in the eyes of defeat...

Don't play the...I am weaker card...when you can come out and try to smear...

Repeat...Does a Person stand on what others say or what they stand on?

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Shadow_lover
West Palm, Florida USA
Posted: Jan 7, 2008, 8:06 PM CST
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Clarification: Does a Person stand on what others say or what they stand on?

Barack from what I know has stood on his own. I have seen Hillary tonight on any news I have watched being passed off as the downtrodden ticket...she wasn't...she was playing the...I will hand it to Obama on the I am a female card and do my tears thing on the strength of see me do this and vote for me.

I do apologise for not having sympathy for someone who can so blatantly do the...I am weak in the eyes of defeat...

Don't play the...I am weaker card...when you can come out and try to smear...

Repeat...Does a Person stand on what others say or what they stand on?

Well I don't watch TV very often so most of what I hear is from friends, but I have learned that sometimes a bit of research is needed.
No need to apologize, I personally don't like her anyway.
We all make our minds up based on what we hear and see, it just the way its. If it was different Politicians would never get anywhere in this world.
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Midship
Limerick, Limerick Ireland
Posted: Jan 7, 2008, 8:13 PM CST
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Well I don't watch TV very often so most of what I hear is from friends, but I have learned that sometimes a bit of research is needed.
No need to apologize, I personally don't like her anyway.
We all make our minds up based on what we hear and see, it just the way its. If it was different Politicians would never get anywhere in this world.

I don't watch T.V. often but do pay attention when there are those who profess to know how the "rest" of should live rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing

I only need to be in charge for 6 months to fix the ills...think I'm joking, just try me...

Have respect for life and life will respect you.

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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: Jan 7, 2008, 8:15 PM CST
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Clarification: Does a Person stand on what others say or what they stand on?

Barack from what I know has stood on his own. I have seen Hillary tonight on any news I have watched being passed off as the downtrodden ticket...she wasn't...she was playing the...I will hand it to Obama on the I am a female card and do my tears thing on the strength of see me do this and vote for me.

I do apologise for not having sympathy for someone who can so blatantly do the...I am weak in the eyes of defeat...

Don't play the...I am weaker card...when you can come out and try to smear...

Repeat...Does a Person stand on what others say or what they stand on?



I've seen that Hillary/tears clip so many times, I think I can portray her now. By Super Tuesday, she'll have the attack machine out...(thru surrogates). One of her cronies inferred maybe Obama had sold cocaine when he used it earlier in his life... Hillary still has some fight left in her...and always remember, Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

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Midship
Limerick, Limerick Ireland
Posted: Jan 7, 2008, 8:22 PM CST
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I've seen that Hillary/tears clip so many times, I think I can portray her now. By Super Tuesday, she'll have the attack machine out...(thru surrogates). One of her cronies inferred maybe Obama had sold cocaine when he used it earlier in his life... Hillary still has some fight left in her...and always remember, Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.


rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing

Agreed on the fury of a Woman...

Here in Ireland it would be agreed that...

Hell Hath No Fury Like The End of A Woman's Doc Martin Boot laugh

Don't know if you guys have the equivalent in the U.S. but I propose let me try my Theory out on Mr. Mugabe and it will be proven rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing

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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: Jan 7, 2008, 8:41 PM CST
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well dirt on Obama was brought out by Fox calling him a Muslim then later retracted (as we all know Fox doesn't worry about the fact they just tell you what they think you should hear ), but it is a fact he has may Muslim relatives, and that’s enough to sway me. I have watched a lot of his interviews and liked him, but not enough to risk it.
None take Mid but would love you to clarify a bit though.
Every body knows that Fox belongs to Mr Jedd Bush whom is the brother of the corrent president and as a matter of fact Fox is really a special channel because no matter what happens this channel is a huge supporter of wars and telling stories no body else tells and as a matter of fact Fox is widely igonored from the rest of the world because of thier taking side a bout the war in Irak and also a bout the war in Afghanistan.
I see Fox news even here in Denmark so I know what I am talking a bout.
Yes the healthcare in Denmark is free and it does not discriminate at all exactly like the system in Canada and it is also therfor I beleive americans shall have that kind of system as well because I care a bout other human beings and thats the biggest reason a bout my wish. It is a great shame when the richest country and the most powerful country on earth ever igonring poor humna beings need for medichal treatment and the system over there is based on how much money you earn.
My knowledge a bout the health care system is from my friends over there, some family members from there and also my great interest in knowing how people live in other places and because of that reading almost any thing I can get a bout that matter.
I know it is your country and I noticed you write that with major letters which means you get a kind of angry a bout others expressing their views but be sure friend the matter of global village is a reality and now on days we all can express our selves and by that learing each other new things a bout life.
The matter of Obama being a muslim or have muslim relatives...oh my god! Is that so important matter for you ......Really? Are muslims not humna beings or do you think almost one fourth of worlds population must be ignored? Lets us say he is a muslim which is not true any way because his dad is and even not a practichal muslim and just muslim by name and you know.....was born in a muslim family. What is the problem with that exactly if I may know?
All problems amoung muslims and non muslims is a result of politicians whom love conflicts and thing a bout profit made because of those conflicts and as a matter of fact.......in Irak there was never problems between shias an sunnis and christians and jews but after the illegal and stupied invasion of 2003 then a lot shit happened and the actions of politicians made those to fight a gainst each other and the situation was exactly the same in many countries in Afrika and in Europe and south america as well.
No friend.....muslim or what so ever the matter of intelligence and being able to lead a country toward better times and better economy and better relationships with the rest of the world is the main matter and I hope you can be agree a bout that at least.
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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: Jan 7, 2008, 9:10 PM CST

Jeb Bush no more owns Fox news than I own Denmark. Good God, before you blather on, know your facts. Rupert Murddock owns Fox news.

It's amazing the whole middle east was so tranquil before 2003, another fact of which I wasn't aware~


You might do well to focus on Denmark's multitude of challenges.

.....and btw, I'm sure it's changed some, but when my aunt resided in Minnott N.D., she informed us not to get sick as the local hospital was full of Canadians coming for their surgeries due to the backlog in Canada. I hear the same occurs in Britain.
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Shadow_lover
West Palm, Florida USA
Posted: Jan 7, 2008, 9:28 PM CST
Well personally I think we are misunderstood by people in other countries. The News hunts down those anti war people so they can portray that we don't support what our country is doing, but they follow this with a bunch of BS they strum up.
I disagree with Americans and the FEW allies we have who have stood with us (unlike the rest of the worthless nations in the UN that reside there just to run their mouths about how everyone else should do things there way) Dying over there when we have the technology to just blow them off the map and then its done.
As for what we need to fix things here, as much as it pains me to say, I would personally like to see a president that would kick a little more azz and not be afraid to use one of those wonderful terrorist harboring nations as a example for the rest of the world.
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Posted: Jan 8, 2008, 7:58 AM CST
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Posted: Jan 8, 2008, 8:02 AM CST
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Agreed on the fury of a Woman...

Here in Ireland it would be agreed that...

Hell Hath No Fury Like The End of A Woman's Doc Martin Boot

Don't know if you guys have the equivalent in the U.S. but I propose let me try my Theory out on Mr. Mugabe and it will be proven

May I join in with kicking Robert Mugabe please?
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Oslojente
Olso Norway
Posted: Jan 8, 2008, 8:12 AM CST
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Jeb Bush no more owns Fox news than I own Denmark. Good God, before you blather on, know your facts. Rupert Murddock owns Fox news.

It's amazing the whole middle east was so tranquil before 2003, another fact of which I wasn't aware~


You might do well to focus on Denmark's multitude of challenges.

.....and btw, I'm sure it's changed some, but when my aunt resided in Minnott N.D., she informed us not to get sick as the local hospital was full of Canadians coming for their surgeries due to the backlog in Canada. I hear the same occurs in Britain.
"You might do well to focus on Denmark's multitude of challenges."



Just wondering what "multitude of challenges" you mean?
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gorgeous210
Galway, Galway Ireland
Posted: Jan 8, 2008, 8:52 AM CST
Also kick Pervez Mushariff of Pakistan.
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Hot_Single_Dude
Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn Denmark
Posted: Jan 8, 2008, 4:55 PM CST
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Jeb Bush no more owns Fox news than I own Denmark. Good God, before you blather on, know your facts. Rupert Murddock owns Fox news.

It's amazing the whole middle east was so tranquil before 2003, another fact of which I wasn't aware~


You might do well to focus on Denmark's multitude of challenges.

.....and btw, I'm sure it's changed some, but when my aunt resided in Minnott N.D., she informed us not to get sick as the local hospital was full of Canadians coming for their surgeries due to the backlog in Canada. I hear the same occurs in Britain.
Oak I made a mistake a bout the ownership of Fox ,but are you sure that Bush family have no any shares in Fox any way? there must be some thing a bout that other wise would fox not be this aggressiv and full of hatered as it is you know? Are you agree that almost no other news brodcasts taking any thing coming out of Fox news seriously becuase it takes side and it always tells self founded news a bout the wars no body else recognises as being worth any thing. Agree or not?
Mr Murdodock is an influental republican with tight friendship with the administration of the white house I am certain. I will try my best to know more a bout this Gentleman then so I can get better in Blathering as you call it! I beleive my message got through any way and there are not caring a bout I know the name of the owner or not and thinkng a bout the essens of my messages and not more than that.
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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: Jan 8, 2008, 5:15 PM CST
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Oak I made a mistake a bout the ownership of Fox ,but are you sure that Bush family have no any shares in Fox any way? there must be some thing a bout that other wise would fox not be this aggressiv and full of hatered as it is you know? Are you agree that almost no other news brodcasts taking any thing coming out of Fox news seriously becuase it takes side and it always tells self founded news a bout the wars no body else recognises as being worth any thing. Agree or not?
Mr Murdodock is an influental republican with tight friendship with the administration of the white house I am certain. I will try my best to know more a bout this Gentleman then so I can get better in Blathering as you call it! I beleive my message got through any way and there are not caring a bout I know the name of the owner or not and thinkng a bout the essens of my messages and not more than that.



What hatred are you seeing in Fox news? Examples would be fine, if you can share some with me? Two or three would suffice.


They certainly have their bias...but no more than than NBC has theirs to the far left. Just watch Keith Olberman on MSNBC for 30 minutes. It doesn't matter what the president does, it's wrong.

About all newscasters or correspondents on tv are affiliated with the Democratic party, or have been. Chris Matthews for example worked for Jimmy Carter. You don't think he presents information with a left wing bias? There's many others. Polling was done on all the major news casters in America. Almost 90% affiliated themselves with the Democrat Party. So when you have a Republican president, he's only going to get bad press...which gets shipped overseas....then all of you buy into anything they say.

Somewhere in the middle you will probably find the truth... My dissatisfaction with Bush is fairly strong, but for the cards he was dealt after 9/11...he's done "ok"...in general. JMO

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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: Jan 8, 2008, 5:22 PM CST
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"You might do well to focus on Denmark's multitude of challenges."



Just wondering what "multitude of challenges" you mean?
Social problems in poor housing:

Various programmes have been introduced targeting the most deprived residents in poor urban and housing areas with many social problems. These programmes include people with problems such as long-term unemployment, relative poverty, family problems, alcohol or drug addiction, loneliness and ethnic problems. Collectively, they are called: relatively poor, threatened groups or 24-hour-residents.


I do hope Denmark can conquer that loneliness problem along w/it's ethnic problems.

(I can credit the author later....but it was a govt agency, I do believe.)

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Posted: Jan 8, 2008, 5:33 PM CST
im not reading this whole thread but i will say this

it is sad that americans will base a vote on someones family members
and/or their choice of what/how/who to worship

thats like SO unamerican for starters
what about jimmy carters or bill clintons idiot brothers
but i guess they were just perceived as stoopid, not dangerous

last week there were 3 cases of animals being brutally attacked
in this country (US)-so apparently anyone has the potential to be dangerous..? not a christian muslim catholic or druid is
more dangerous than anyone else...

in america candidates were sposed to be judged, in fact all people were sposed to be judged on their individual character and merit.

what about some of the early presidents and signers of amendments
and the declaration, etc--how many know their preferred 'religion' ?

JFK-whom was admired by many, and for good reason,
made a great speech that is available on video to be seen 'anywhere'
regarding how inappropriate such judgement or in fact any mention of this issue in a candidacy is.

i think its terribly sad and shameful
and obama isnt even my candidate
im just sayin
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