Faith, God and Us. Which is yours ?

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trish123 Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
I wish people would stop killing each other Riya, I really do hug

In my humble opinion, we are all puppets of our religious leaders and politicians dunno

They indoctrinate us from the cradle to the grave if we allow it - if I was given satisfactory answers to my questions, I would happily embrace my families religion, it would have saved me much sadness on my journey - alas, those satisfactory answers were never forthcoming
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ravana gampaha Sri Lanka
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Am not too aware of the Bible but the early indoctrination part amazes me too. It happens in Religions rese not christianity alone. Like stuffing a pudding with conditioning to say its brilliant. Like Ray would say , suppression !!!! Here the early ability to question and wonder is almost forced out of the way to spoonfeed predecided faith.

I'M REALLY AWARE ABOUT THE BIBLE, THRIPITAKA AND HINDU WEDAS AND BHAGAWATH GEETHA.

COS WE CAN TAKE MANY ADVANTAGES THOSE GOLDEN BOOKS. THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF HIDDEN VALUABLE MEANINGS INSIDE THEIR STORIES. BUT THE PROBLEM IS PEOPLE JUST TAKE THAT STORIES IN TO THEIR LIVES KEEPING AWAY THEIR DEEPLY HIDDEN MEANINGS.angel
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ravana gampaha Sri Lanka
DOES ANYONE KNOW THE MEANING OF ...THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT..?

I THINK THIS IS VERY CLOSE TO THE HINDU THRIMURTHI CALLED....BRAHMA,VISHNU AND ISHWARA.........laugh
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riyablossom somewhere .. , Pennsylvania USA
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I wish people would stop killing each other Riya, I really do

In my humble opinion, we are all puppets of our religious leaders and politicians

They indoctrinate us from the cradle to the grave if we allow it - if I was given satisfactory answers to my questions, I would happily embrace my families religion, it would have saved me much sadness on my journey - alas, those satisfactory answers were never forthcoming
True as it is Trish its a two edged sword they use.

On one side , to have blind faith cos the supreme being exists yet there is no proof but there is existence beyond the existent proofs.

On the other hand , if you reason and dont get answers its very disheartening. Say as we might , people find a comfort zone in posterity and tradition . But , life being so short its an aimless journey with a blind eye. And when you see and cant walk anymore the blind journey seems shallower.

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trish123 Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
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True as it is Trish its a two edged sword they use.

On one side , to have blind faith cos the supreme being exists yet there is no proof but there is existence beyond the existent proofs.

On the other hand , if you reason and dont get answers its very disheartening. Say as we might , people find a comfort zone in posterity and tradition . But , life being so short its an aimless journey with a blind eye. And when you see and cant walk anymore the blind journey seems shallower.

hahaha - yep Riya, sort of like a battle between the Sword of Damocles and Pascals Wager laugh
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riyablossom somewhere .. , Pennsylvania USA
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hahaha - yep Riya, sort of like a battle between the Sword of Damocles and Pascals Wager
Now , I am missing Ray !!! laugh
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ravana gampaha Sri Lanka
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True as it is Trish its a two edged sword they use.

On one side , to have blind faith cos the supreme being exists yet there is no proof but there is existence beyond the existent proofs.

On the other hand , if you reason and dont get answers its very disheartening. Say as we might , people find a comfort zone in posterity and tradition . But , life being so short its an aimless journey with a blind eye. And when you see and cant walk anymore the blind journey seems shallower.

YES ,,,,,WE ARE REAL BLINDS ROAMING HERE AND THERE IN THIS ENDLESS SANSARA.
PEOPLE KILL EACH OTHER COS OF THEIR RELIGIONS. THE PROBLEM IS THEY TOUCH THE RELIGION IN WRONG WAY......

PEOPLE KILL EACH OTHER FOR A PENNY OR WORTHLESS MATTER BCOS OF THEIR IGNORANCE, FOOLISHNESS AND LACK OF PATIENT.

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riyablossom somewhere .. , Pennsylvania USA
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YES ,,,,,WE ARE REAL BLINDS ROAMING HERE AND THERE IN THIS ENDLESS SANSARA.
PEOPLE KILL EACH OTHER COS OF THEIR RELIGIONS. THE PROBLEM IS THEY TOUCH THE RELIGION IN WRONG WAY......

PEOPLE KILL EACH OTHER FOR A PENNY OR WORTHLESS MATTER BCOS OF THEIR IGNORANCE, FOOLISHNESS AND LACK OF PATIENT.

yes true .
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EastbayRay Limassol, Limassol Cyprus
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there are at least 3 different descriptions of the seven days of creation in Genesis chapters 1-3, alone. That doesn't mean that they are not in correlation to each other.
And the plethera of contradictions are not contradictory, when taken in context.
As far as an eye for an eye you evidently have no concept of when or why that directive was given to the Israelites through Moses
so I shouldnt be surprised that you have no Idea that it is not a contradiction of -- turn the other cheek -- stated several thousand years late in the new testiment.
People don't usually believe what they read -- they read what that believe-- meaning they can not - or will not-clear their minds of their own preceptions in order to understand what is truely being said .
'People don't usually believe what they read -- they read what they believe-- '

What a splendid piece of wisdom from Omega for a change (just had to be a bit nasty there at the end in keeping with my . . . noble, elitist, aristocratic character and indeed disagreeable attitude)!

However, ‘an eye for an eye’ and ‘turn the other cheek’ is a complete contradiction of God’s Law, regardless of the context in which either was given IN A SENSE because they both appear in the same book/Holy Bible. Because it makes one wonder! If biblical laws must be re-evaluated as the world progresses and people and technology evolve (and that is the supposed justification for such a contradiction or contradictions), why must we then hang on to even Christ’s teachings two thousand years later? Surely they need a reappraisal also in accordance with the same justification Omega gives? And what is more vehemently apposed nowadays than a reappraisal of anything biblical!

The Holy Bible is one book. In the first Testament we are told eye for eye, tooth for tooth; in the second, to turn the other cheek. What a contradiction indeed! There is something already wrong with the moral teaching of an eye for an eye in the first place (regardless of the times, it is inciting revenge!), and there is also something wrong with ‘turn the other cheek’ as a moral prerogative, that is all to clear to any realist. I say: preempt a strike or defend the other cheek from being struck. But I do not condone striking. I condone protecting yourself from harm and your right to. Nay, your instinct to!

No greater contradiction may be drawn in the entire Holy Bible than between the Old Testament and New Testament by virtue of being both found in the same book.

And yet we are told that Christ did not come to change the Old Testament laws but enforce them?

However, in his defense, my own philosophical interpretation is that when Christ said he did not come to change the Old Testament laws but enforce them, he was not lying

He came to enforce them – but WITHOUT force. I believe there is much to be said for my interpretation - to do away with the ‘contradiction conundrum’ between the Old Testament and the New.

Christ was a revolutionary!!!

I have even called Christ in the past, ‘the rebellious son of God’: God saying we will all return to dust, and Jesus saying ‘in me you will have eternal life’

But enforce them without force he did indeed, and wrote them in many hearts. One way or another, Christ marks a remarkable change in human morality forever!!!waving santa
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trish123 Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
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Now , I am missing Ray !!!
haha -I knew he wouldnt be long laugh
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Aries01 Dublin, Dublin Ireland
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'People don't usually believe what they read -- they read what they believe-- '

What a splendid piece of wisdom from Omega for a change (just had to be a bit nasty there at the end in keeping with my . . . noble, elitist, aristocratic character and indeed disagreeable attitude)!

However, ‘an eye for an eye’ and ‘turn the other cheek’ is a complete contradiction of God’s Law, regardless of the context in which either was given IN A SENSE because they both appear in the same book/Holy Bible. Because it makes one wonder! If biblical laws must be re-evaluated as the world progresses and people and technology evolve (and that is the supposed justification for such a contradiction or contradictions), why must we then hang on to even Christ’s teachings two thousand years later? Surely they need a reappraisal also in accordance with the same justification Omega gives? And what is more vehemently apposed nowadays than a reappraisal of anything biblical!

The Holy Bible is one book. In the first Testament we are told eye for eye, tooth for tooth; in the second, to turn the other cheek. What a contradiction indeed! There is something already wrong with the moral teaching of an eye for an eye in the first place (regardless of the times, it is inciting revenge!), and there is also something wrong with ‘turn the other cheek’ as a moral prerogative, that is all to clear to any realist. I say: preempt a strike or defend the other cheek from being struck. But I do not condone striking. I condone protecting yourself from harm and your right to. Nay, your instinct to!

No greater contradiction may be drawn in the entire Holy Bible than between the Old Testament and New Testament by virtue of being both found in the same book.

And yet we are told that Christ did not come to change the Old Testament laws but enforce them?

However, in his defense, my own philosophical interpretation is that when Christ said he did not come to change the Old Testament laws but enforce them, he was not lying

He came to enforce them – but WITHOUT force. I believe there is much to be said for my interpretation - to do away with the ‘contradiction conundrum’ between the Old Testament and the New.

Christ was a revolutionary!!!

I have even called Christ in the past, ‘the rebellious son of God’: God saying we will all return to dust, and Jesus saying ‘in me you will have eternal life’

But enforce them without force he did indeed, and wrote them in many hearts. One way or another, Christ marks a remarkable change in human morality forever!!!
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trish123 Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
I was trying so hard to stay off the God threads today - I have failed, miserable so n so that I am - There was a thread running earlier about Jesus coming back again which it took me all my time to stay off of - my view, now that I have started, would be that He would be totally abhorrent of the ways his teachings have been misinterpreted and abused over the 1720 yrs or so since the first council of nicea decided on what Jesus 'should' represent to the people hug
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trish123 Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
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I was trying so hard to stay off the God threads today - I have failed, miserable so n so that I am - There was a thread running earlier about Jesus coming back again which it took me all my time to stay off of - my view, now that I have started, would be that He would be totally abhorrent of the ways his teachings have been misinterpreted and abused over the 1720 yrs or so since the first council of nicea decided on what Jesus 'should' represent to the people
D'oh! silly sausage me - 1775 or so yrs D'oh!
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riyablossom somewhere .. , Pennsylvania USA
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I was trying so hard to stay off the God threads today - I have failed, miserable so n so that I am - There was a thread running earlier about Jesus coming back again which it took me all my time to stay off of - my view, now that I have started, would be that He would be totally abhorrent of the ways his teachings have been misinterpreted and abused over the 1720 yrs or so since the first council of nicea decided on what Jesus 'should' represent to the people
For that matter all the people we term holy or divine or even God , in my opinion must be disgusted by what we have made of what was said and in what view and context.

We have left the basic instincts of love , innocence and kindness to make of it what suits us from time to time and taught the same to now have an innately resistant progeny clan.

Even God doesnt know where its headed now. And i am sure he dread to walk again if he must as it wont be in peace and good will as it is supposed to be in his earlier times.

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BnaturAl Sarnia, Ontario Canada
just my opinion but the bible is a disjointed mishmash and compilation of some 'argueably' philosophic and pedantic weirdos of the time; hoping to 'control' people in a time without any serious laws in effect. Do this you go to heaven, do that you go to hell ... saves a whole lot on hiring a police force to track down camel theives, because most people need to believe there is more... but a god of justice?





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Detente North West, England UK
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just my opinion but the bible is a disjointed mishmash and compilation of some 'argueably' philosophic and pedantic weirdos of the time; hoping to 'control' people in a time without any serious laws in effect. Do this you go to heaven, do that you go to hell ... saves a whole lot on hiring a police force to track down camel theives, because most people need to believe there is more... but a god of justice?





I would agree with most of what you say Al...almost all of it in fact.

The bible has been misrepresented and misunderstood to such a degree that, even though it's pathos and stressing of wonderful qualities such as love, compassion, unselfishness etc are very well known and lauded, it is held in almost total contempt by so many for the evil carried out in it's name!

But I would say this, having looked into it from a hopefully rational viewpoint, it begins to appear less disjointed when looked into with no preconceptions.

The God of justice that is so fearful when considered in the light of the wars and land snatching (laugh ), seems a much more rounded individual.wine
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trish123 Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
Hi Al, glad you are home safe n all thumbs up

is my camel safe at your place for tonight - i will collect her on my way home later then - I know you will keep her safe laugh
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BnaturAl Sarnia, Ontario Canada
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I would agree with most of what you say Al...almost all of it in fact.

The bible has been misrepresented and misunderstood to such a degree that, even though it's pathos and stressing of wonderful qualities such as love, compassion, unselfishness etc are very well known and lauded, it is held in almost total contempt by so many for the evil carried out in it's name!

But I would say this, having looked into it from a hopefully rational viewpoint, it begins to appear less disjointed when looked into with no preconceptions.

The God of justice that is so fearful when considered in the light of the wars and land snatching ( ), seems a much more rounded individual.
It is difficult to come without preconcieved notions let alone beliefs when this 'book' is discussed, especially having ben raised catholic. However my assertions are from reading other works and listening to people who have a much firmer hold on its words. Contradictions abound in the area of 'timing' as well as philosophy and were I wiser in such matters I would state them all.

Given that I am all for the 'essence' of its works, because I do beleive as Ray has noted several times, there needs to be some sort of 'stopper' on mankind lest he run amuck as many people were doing in that time. (or apparently so, as noted in the book)

My particular assertion is that the compilation is indeed a work of men, hoping a god was present or in the very least saw the wisdom in 'believing' in one for sake of a 'just mankind'.

I dont discount the bible as worthless, certainly its values have functional effect and unfortuneately results in both good and bad. Any number of people have also taken advantage of people who beleive in this book, the turn the other cheek aspect has allowed many man to step all over many others. I guess its a two edged sword, as is any justice.

cheers
hope your xmas was a merry and your boobage quota rose significantly
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riyablossom somewhere .. , Pennsylvania USA
Why is everyone so agreeable ... laugh
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BnaturAl Sarnia, Ontario Canada
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Hi Al, glad you are home safe n all

is my camel safe at your place for tonight - i will collect her on my way home later then - I know you will keep her safe
Hi Trish ..

your flippin camel has left a heapin pile of gooo all over the xmas ornaments ...and shorted out some of the lites... I will adjust in the hopes that someday I will be allowed to park my camel's ass at your place ... eye for an eye n all that rubbish you see.

coffee in the morning ... one hump or two??


dancing banana


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from one nomad fool to another
uh oh!
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