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There are machines that measure energy, alright some call it aura, holy spirit.. but it is visible through kurlean(sp) photgraphy, just as x-rays show bones etc...its also measureable and quantifyable as you say scientifically.

Those machines show that after .. and we'll use your frog .. after one limb is cut off that energy signature/aura/presense is still there.
therefore your frog with dead limb is still energy.

You are as you say viewing from only a scientific slant or at least only from information that you have at this point in time.

Energy moves in many mediums from steam plants and electric cars to humans... The mass you speak of is nothing more than a medium for it... even a vacuum is a medium for energy and unless I miss my guess a vaccum doesnt have mass... don't quote me on that , just guessing here ..

your use inversion is flawed in this regard Ray. Its a paradox, shit happens

That's exactly what i meant ... DEAD frog with all energy gone from the little body parts.

Sorry! sometimes my English is complitely out of control.

yes, motion also puts the energy into 'body' Ray -

all energy does not amount to life, I agree
All life has to have energy to be considered life.

Ah, Trish . . . low-blow!

All life is not energy.

Great post.

Head hurting muchly!

I should have added that is however 'alive'

I was amused however

Ray, what do you then consider of life which isnt energy?

trying to suck the energy out of you and weasle my way into your boobage life ...

and ray people are not dullards, they are your view of dullards. Try not to think of it as 'lowering yourself to their level" ... but as 'experiencing yourself on another level.'

you'll fins a lot more joy that way... every man is my teacher in that I may learn from him.

a'fter one limb is cut off that energy signature/aura/presense is still there.
therefore your frog with dead limb is still energy.'



Yes, and it is STILL MASS

NOT 'ALL' ENERGY!

'All life is Energy'

NO IT IS NOT!!!

a severed limb ray .. sorry , the limb is missing .. tossed as it were in the bin, that limb no longer has enegry, its energy however remains with the rest of the frog.

my apologies for not being clear.

YES AND IT ALSO HAS TO HAVE MASS

SO IT IS 'NOT ALL ENERGY!!!!'

DAMN IT MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!: frustrated:

At some point the the not too distant past a page or two ago, more specifically , you contradicted yourself; so long as the final argument still holds together, I suppose

ok I gotcha , the frog still has mass, with or without that limb

Sort of like an 'energy shadow'?

I can understand that...especially as our understanding of how energy reacts to various situations and dynamics is so limited.

Interesting.