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What Is Evil?

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omega1036
spearfish, South Dakota USA
Posted: Dec 30, 2007, 12:58 AM CST
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You're full of surprises, omega? I think I have I confused you with someone in the past who appeared on the God-thread?

That actually contained 'reason.'

I thought you were a dogmatist.
No you have not confused me with someone else, It is still
me. I have lived in the wild west so long and have become familiar
with its customs, one of them being the fewer words a person uses
to convey a message the better. Plus I told you this was the beginning
stage of my posting.I was more or less testing the waters if you will.
I have watched the posts more than entered in and have found your postings entertaining and some abbhorent to my sensibilities,I do think you have a enthusiasim that is contageous and really you are a hoot.handshake
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omega1036
spearfish, South Dakota USA
Posted: Dec 30, 2007, 1:05 AM CST
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No I wasn't offended...Just offering my opinion and have heard that said more than once...I just happen to disagree is all....I love a good debate...BUT never get offended at a different opinion!!!!!!



Yea I had a hard time excepting that but what have all conquerors
done --- the same -- and they are listed as great men great man sick plan.thumbs up
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riyablossom
somewhere .. , Pennsylvania USA
Posted: Dec 30, 2007, 2:11 AM CST
To some even good is evil , a joke is evil and cynicism is evil while to others bad is evil , mean and mortifying stuff is evil.

Depends on our perception .
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Aries01
Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: Dec 30, 2007, 6:29 AM CST
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It has become commonplace amongst people in western culture to regard Adolf Hitler as in some way inhuman or "evil", yet rarely is anything done to actually justify this belief. In order to be evil it seems an individual must not merely commit "evil" acts, but realise his actions are "evil" and yet still will them. As such a truly evil person may be said to commit evil acts in the same way a "good person" commits "good acts", that is for their own sake.
Whether there are any people who qualify as "evil" in such a way is questionable, though doubtless Hitler was not one of them. As unpalatable as it might seem Hitler and those around him genuinely thought what they were doing was morally right, and that the ends, of the new Germany etc. justified the means. Hitler's crime therefore lies not in consciously willing "evil" but in having a distorted notion of "the good" and in believing that anything could be justified to achieve it.

On this score though is Hitler really that much different to many other leaders throughout history? In WW1 British leaders sacrificed over a million men to achieve victory and pursue what they claimed was the national interest. In Vietnam Kennedy, then Nixon, let over three million Vietnamese, and thousands of Americans, die purportedly to "stop the spread of communism". More recently of course we also have Bush and Blair claiming 100,000 plus lives lost in Iraq is a price worth paying for Iraqi "freedom". The characterisation of Hitler and the Nazis as an irrational force of "evil" however allows western governments to dissociate themselves and their actions from those of the Nazis, and disguise what are, at times, obvious parallels.

All this is not to apologise for Nazism or suggest that Blair and Bush "are as bad as Hitler", but it is to draw attention to the fact that Hitler is closer to us and our leaders than we are often led to believe. Further the assertion that Hitler was an "evil" aberration from history and humanity is not only wrong, but also dangerous as it allows us to ignore the question of how these things can happen. How is it that when "don't kill" is one of our most fundamental and universally recognised moral requirements that it is so continually violated? Recourse to a Hollywood notion of evil may be convenient in explaining this, and easier to accept; but it is a dodge since it doesn?t ultimately explain anything. Indeed the simplistic division of the world into "good" and "evil" is, in part, what allows atrocities to continue. This goes as much for a U.S soldier using white phosphorus in Iraq as it does for a suicide bomber in London; both are convinced they are fighting an implacable "evil" enemy which makes any means justified. Furthermore, as long as we are determined to view suicide bombers as "evil" we can never hope to understand why they do what they do, or address the causes of these actions, which is ultimately the only way they will ever fully be prevented.


It struck me, when I read them, that the following lines seemed strangely appropriate to this discussion.

From "Seven against Thebes" [Aeschylus]

ANTIGONE: If you gave wounds, you also received wounds
ISMENE: If you dealt death, you also suffered death
ANTIGONE: With the spear you killed
ISMENE: By the spear you died
ANTIGONE: Pitiful in inflicting
ISMENE: Pitiful in suffering
ANTIGONE: Let the cry rise
ISMENE: Let the tear fall
ANTIGONE: For you who died
ISMENE: For you who killed
Excellent thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up I totally agree.. if we continue to see 'Evil' as something quite distinct from ourselves , we will never truly understand 'it' or be able to tackle it.... this was in part what Jung was all about.. he took the wholistic view and believed in the importance of acknowledging our 'dark side'.. not in the sense of leading amoral lives, but in the sense, that if we not not acknowledge it we will never truly understand ourselves (mankind)
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Dec 30, 2007, 7:54 AM CST
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Evil is the single greatest capacity of mankind. We are able to do more harm in a day, than good we will do in a lifetime. If we want to know what evil is, you need only look into your very own heart, and you will see the dark rotting core that exists. If God existed, we would know because no loving God would allow such evil to take root in people.

Evil is not just the ability to harm others. Evil is selfishness. When you cross the street, and pass a bum and do not give him your last dollar because you want to buy a soda, that is evil. When you spend your pay check on a new pair of jeans and a video game, rather than help your parents pay for the groceries. When you lie. When you are late to an appointment, simply because you didn't care enough to be on time. This is all evil. Hitler did nothing all of you, and I, are not capable of. We all commit evil acts everyday.

You want to know evil? Before you ask that, first I beg you the question, do your really know good?

If I don't do "good" to my own Detriment,or go hungry,so some Rotter can fill his Belly at my cost,I am Selfish,and therefore EVIL?
GET BACK TO THE DRAWINGBOARD;YOU!!!!!!!!
And use your Head for other things than just carry it around!!!!!
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scarlets
llanelli, Dyfed, Wales UK
Posted: Dec 30, 2007, 7:55 AM CST
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What is 'Evil'?
i dont think anybody can define "evil" as there are many forms of it.
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Dominatrix
Domiville, England UK
Posted: Dec 30, 2007, 7:58 AM CST
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What is 'Evil'?
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BnaturAl
Sarnia, Ontario Canada
Posted: Dec 30, 2007, 8:08 AM CST
christ in a wheelchair RAY!!!


you started a thread on 'evil' and it became a love-in!!!thumbs up

Please start a thread on chaos/fractals/memes and the interconnectivity of the human spirit aka energy ... sticking out tongue


cheers
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Dec 30, 2007, 8:10 AM CST
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Not to mention the stranglehold the French placed on the iron coal and sttel businesses which were greatly depreciating the value of currency in Germany along with the work rate. War was truly inevitable and the world sat idly by and watched it happen knowing full well that it would come as surely as the dawn. How to propose a war? Well as most... find someone who has what you don't and give your people a means to their needs. Hitler was an opportunist like most scavengers and saw his people at their lowest, easy prey for the needs of himself and his council. The Jews were merely a means to uniting his people in their attrocities so early after the humiliations of WWI. They had stil because of strong mercantile ties while the Germans had not because of their reliance on Trade for their major exports which were depreciated by France and others. A group effort outside of Germany to force their hand and create a face to hate in order to unify their own peoples. War is always about control not winning someone else's shit and poor.

Mark
Why the Hell is everyone conveniently "Forgetting" that the Jews in Germany were German Citizens.???????
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Dec 30, 2007, 8:35 AM CST
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Hitler was just a mental freak...He wasn't even German...He was Polish...Yet he sought the perfect German race...He was sworn in as a German citizen right before he ran for Chancellor or whatever the heck he was....He was insane...to the point that wiping out a whole race was perfectly acceptable....war or no war...Not to mention he was in love with his own niece who eventually committed suicide because he basicly kept her locked up and under his control...He was just a mere power monger...who had to get his own way at any cost...In fact the perfect blonde hair...blue eyed race he envisioned was a reflection of his niece whom he was obsessed with...Evil...yep and also insane!!!!!!!

Austrian,actually,and you definitely made a proper assessment of that LOON.
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foreveryoung1
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Posted: Dec 30, 2007, 8:41 AM CST
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Dec 30, 2007, 8:44 AM CST
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Let me say I am not a Hitler fan or a neo nazi

But

Hitler was probably one of the greatest men in history.
He took a country in economic collapse and in exteremely
low morale and gave them a vision, he caused the country to
rise from the dust of world oppression to a world superpower in 3 years, a feat so great that I am not sure it was ever accomplished before in human history. Unfortunately it was at the expense of a people ( as all power thrust of mankind have been)
Jesus at his triumphant entry into Jerusalem. stopped at a point overlooking the city and wept for the people a forshadowing of events
that would befall the people saying If only you would have known the time of your visitation.
All events places people and times are related under a supreme
love each right step we take brings us closer to that entity each wrongstep takes us farther away. the choice has been given to us to take the steps we will.
Hitler found a place of love from his people and he risked the hate of others to do it . If he stands before an all powerful creator in the end
it was that creator who gave him the position he held. What will be done with him is unfathomable for our wee little minds to comprehend
The steps you are taking will lead you to your conclusion on this. I have faith in a power (love) from a supremely intelligent creator that all will be as it should be one day.
So Adolf Hitler was completely INNOCENT and BLAMELESS then,just doing the WILL of a LOVING CREATOR ?
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mime61
Greenville area, North Carolina USA
Posted: Dec 30, 2007, 8:49 AM CST
Evil on here is a certain someone who is telling everyone that she loves them and playing my friend at the same time...that is evil to play with someone's emotions..sorry it just is...very mad
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Posted: Dec 30, 2007, 5:47 PM CST
All that is good comes from God. Evil is that which comes from the
devil devil . Good is that which promotes life for all. Evil is that
which takes life away from one person or multiple people.

No doubt Hitler was evil, nor will GWB be any better. Munks claim to
live a most holy life, but I think they get too envolved in ritualizium.

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omega1036
spearfish, South Dakota USA
Posted: Dec 30, 2007, 10:50 PM CST
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So Adolf Hitler was completely INNOCENT and BLAMELESS then,just doing the WILL of a LOVING CREATOR ?
I don't know how you came to that conclusion from what I posted
but ,maybe you just took too quick a look at it.
Conrad we both know better than that, same as Judas he didn't have to,someone else could have but that was his bent he chose to take the steps he took. We also know you can believe anything you want , but I wonder why you have such and issue with trust.

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omega1036
spearfish, South Dakota USA
Posted: Dec 30, 2007, 11:03 PM CST
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So Adolf Hitler was completely INNOCENT and BLAMELESS then,just doing the WILL of a LOVING CREATOR ?
Also I think it would be really bizzar to sit around and dis God
and say he is not real and then wonder why he doesn't intervene
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omega1036
spearfish, South Dakota USA
Posted: Dec 31, 2007, 2:42 PM CST
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So Adolf Hitler was completely INNOCENT and BLAMELESS then,just doing the WILL of a LOVING CREATOR ?
I did say the steps you are taking would lead you to your conclusions on this so there you go comfort
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