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Ok...be patient with me on this one!




Detente
North West, England UK
Posted: Dec 29, 2007, 6:34 PM CST
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that sounds more like manipulation...not so much as intelligence
Pedantry aside, we are human, and therefore have a responsability to relate.

Recognizing this is simply the same as learning to speak the language of the country you reside in.


Manipulation is devious...communicating accurately is not.wine
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Aries01
Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: Dec 29, 2007, 6:35 PM CST
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intelligence is only one's ability to LEARN...not how much they know
absolutely.. i totally agree with you.. cant remember the exact wording.. partly cause I'm a little tipsy... but in the 'trial and death of socrates' plato pointed out (in fancy language) that if you reach a point where you think you know it all.. u are severly limited intellectually...wine hug.. excuse the plato reference.. just to some it might have some resonance wine
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Detente
North West, England UK
Posted: Dec 29, 2007, 6:36 PM CST
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absolutely.. i totally agree with you.. cant remember the exact wording.. partly cause I'm a little tipsy... but in the 'trial and death of socrates' plato pointed out (in fancy language) that if you reach a point where you think you know it all.. u are severly limited intellectually... .. excuse the plato reference.. just to some it might have some resonance
Plato's an uber dude!peace

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RichardDavid
grandview, Missouri USA
Posted: Dec 29, 2007, 6:36 PM CST
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Pedantry aside, we are human, and therefore have a responsability to relate.

Recognizing this is simply the same as learning to speak the language of the country you reside in.


Manipulation is devious...communicating accurately is not.
understoodwine
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Aries01
Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: Dec 29, 2007, 6:37 PM CST
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intelligence is only one's ability to LEARN...not how much they know
Hiya Richard thumbs up cheers
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RichardDavid
grandview, Missouri USA
Posted: Dec 29, 2007, 6:38 PM CST
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absolutely.. i totally agree with you.. cant remember the exact wording.. partly cause I'm a little tipsy... but in the 'trial and death of socrates' plato pointed out (in fancy language) that if you reach a point where you think you know it all.. u are severly limited intellectually... .. excuse the plato reference.. just to some it might have some resonance
yes!!
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RichardDavid
grandview, Missouri USA
Posted: Dec 29, 2007, 6:39 PM CST
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Hiya Richard
HELLO Aries! (though that couldn't be your real name?)
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RichardDavid
grandview, Missouri USA
Posted: Dec 29, 2007, 6:41 PM CST
could it??confused
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Aries01
Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: Dec 29, 2007, 6:43 PM CST
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HELLO Aries! (though that couldn't be your real name?)
My real name is Orla.. .how r ya doin?
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RichardDavid
grandview, Missouri USA
Posted: Dec 29, 2007, 6:45 PM CST
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My real name is Orla.. .how r ya doin?
Thank you, Orla! I am honored! blushing I am just fine!!
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EastbayRay
Limassol, Limassol Cyprus
Posted: Dec 29, 2007, 6:49 PM CST
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I like Ray.... maybe its a lost battle... but would like him to be capable of a little bit more empathy...
Let me tell you about empathy.

I had to STUDY in order to even understand what sympathy is. It is indeed 'the basis of morality' - seeing yourself in other people and other living things.
However, I believe some people see themselves in other living things, and CAN see themselves, more than others.
I have always been confused by people who watch a nature program and flinch when, for instance, a deer is suddenly pulled into a river by a crocodile. It is clear to me that they see themselves in the deer and cannot see themselves in the crocodile.
Therefore from this I once expounded an idea of selective-compassion which was reasonably well received. Namely, that people are 'selectively compassionate' and universal love is therefore a fallacy. An ideal.

Well, I have always seen myself more in the crocodile and find it hard to have sympathy for the deer. Nor why one should be seen as 'good' and the other 'evil'. I suppose people associate their sympathy with the deer because they would be as helpless in the same instance.
But why they cannot look upon the situation dispassionately I would love to know. If they believe in God, it is by his will that some are crocodiles while others are deers.

And I am indeed - no deer!!!
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EastbayRay
Limassol, Limassol Cyprus
Posted: Dec 29, 2007, 6:51 PM CST
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absolutely.. i totally agree with you.. cant remember the exact wording.. partly cause I'm a little tipsy... but in the 'trial and death of socrates' plato pointed out (in fancy language) that if you reach a point where you think you know it all.. u are severly limited intellectually... .. excuse the plato reference.. just to some it might have some resonance
Wisest is he who knows he knows nothing. wine
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RichardDavid
grandview, Missouri USA
Posted: Dec 29, 2007, 6:52 PM CST
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Let me tell you about empathy.

I had to STUDY in order to even understand what sympathy is. It is indeed 'the basis of morality' - seeing yourself in other people and other living things.
However, I believe some people see themselves in other living things, and CAN see themselves, more than others.
I have always been confused by people who watch a nature program and flinch when, for instance, a deer is suddenly pulled into a river by a crocodile. It is clear to me that they see themselves in the deer and cannot see themselves in the crocodile.
Therefore from this I once expounded an idea of selective-compassion which was reasonably well received. Namely, that people are 'selectively compassionate' and universal love is therefore a fallacy. An ideal.

Well, I have always seen myself more in the crocodile and find it hard to have sympathy for the deer. Nor why one should be seen as 'good' and the other 'evil'. I suppose people associate their sympathy with the deer because they would be as helpless in the same instance.
But why they cannot look upon the situation dispassionately I would love to know. If they believe in God, it is by his will that some are crocodiles while others are deers.

And I am indeed - no deer!!!
i am no deer either! I'm BATMAN!!
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RichardDavid
grandview, Missouri USA
Posted: Dec 29, 2007, 6:53 PM CST
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Wisest is he who knows he knows nothing.
that's more like it! but wisedom and intelligence are not the same either....
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LONDON, Outer London, England UK
Posted: Dec 29, 2007, 6:57 PM CST
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Let me tell you about empathy.

I had to STUDY in order to even understand what sympathy is. It is indeed 'the basis of morality' - seeing yourself in other people and other living things.
However, I believe some people see themselves in other living things, and CAN see themselves, more than others.
I have always been confused by people who watch a nature program and flinch when, for instance, a deer is suddenly pulled into a river by a crocodile. It is clear to me that they see themselves in the deer and cannot see themselves in the crocodile.
Therefore from this I once expounded an idea of selective-compassion which was reasonably well received. Namely, that people are 'selectively compassionate' and universal love is therefore a fallacy. An ideal.

Well, I have always seen myself more in the crocodile and find it hard to have sympathy for the deer. Nor why one should be seen as 'good' and the other 'evil'. I suppose people associate their sympathy with the deer because they would be as helpless in the same instance.
But why they cannot look upon the situation dispassionately I would love to know. If they believe in God, it is by his will that some are crocodiles while others are deers.

And I am indeed - no deer!!!
A lack of or reduced level of empathy may be related to autism or aspergers syndrome
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RichardDavid
grandview, Missouri USA
Posted: Dec 29, 2007, 6:58 PM CST
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Pedantry aside, we are human, and therefore have a responsability to relate.

Recognizing this is simply the same as learning to speak the language of the country you reside in.


Manipulation is devious...communicating accurately is not.
unless you're a hermit :)
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Eupho
Wild Wild South West, England UK
Posted: Dec 29, 2007, 6:58 PM CST
Yeah I dumb it down sometimes..

Like: When it's cold and raining and I would rather sit in my car and eat my McD's than get out and put the air in tyres...

'Ermm.. Ermm excuse me.. batting eyelashes do you know how to put air in the tyres on my car.. I just don't know WHAT to doooo batting eyelashes '


note: also works for water.. oil and screenwash.

ORRR... when I get stopped by the police from something silly.. like the fact my back brake light bulb has been gone for a week.

'Hello officer.. batting eyelashes .. it has? Oh .. are you sure? but... but.. blues it was working when I left home... crying .. Ohh thankyou!.. you are sooo sweet' batting eyelashes




::drives off doing 100mph:::


Or... when I'm in the USA... (best English accent) ' Ohh I'm sooo terribly sorreee.. I don't carry ID.. I am from Eeeglaand.. we don't need to carry it there' batting eyelashes


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RichardDavid
grandview, Missouri USA
Posted: Dec 29, 2007, 6:59 PM CST
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A lack of or reduced level of empathy may be related to autism or aspergers syndrome
or meanieism
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Hugz_n_Kissez
Someplace, Ontario Canada
Posted: Dec 29, 2007, 6:59 PM CST
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Let me tell you about empathy.

I had to STUDY in order to even understand what sympathy is. It is indeed 'the basis of morality' - seeing yourself in other people and other living things.
However, I believe some people see themselves in other living things, and CAN see themselves, more than others.
I have always been confused by people who watch a nature program and flinch when, for instance, a deer is suddenly pulled into a river by a crocodile. It is clear to me that they see themselves in the deer and cannot see themselves in the crocodile.
Therefore from this I once expounded an idea of selective-compassion which was reasonably well received. Namely, that people are 'selectively compassionate' and universal love is therefore a fallacy. An ideal.

Well, I have always seen myself more in the crocodile and find it hard to have sympathy for the deer. Nor why one should be seen as 'good' and the other 'evil'. I suppose people associate their sympathy with the deer because they would be as helpless in the same instance.
But why they cannot look upon the situation dispassionately I would love to know. If they believe in God, it is by his will that some are crocodiles while others are deers.

And I am indeed - no deer!!!
But that is what sets us apart from animals...We don't live by instinct to survive...We have feelings and those involve compassion and empathy....Empathy is the abilty be able to identify with another person by putting yourself in their shoes...Either because you have experienced what they have so know how they feel or because you have at least experienced the feelings that are involved!!!!!!!!

Acting purely on instinct takes no intelligence at all...We are all born with it...However it's feelings that determine whether we react according to instict or have the knowledge to know enough that we don't go kill people or dogs...cats etc because we are hungry!!!!!!!

So there has to be some emotional intelligence involved...otherwise we could devlop no boundaries and have no limits!!!!!!!!

wine
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RichardDavid
grandview, Missouri USA
Posted: Dec 29, 2007, 7:01 PM CST
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Yeah I dumb it down sometimes..

Like: When it's cold and raining and I would rather sit in my car and eat my McD's than get out and put the air in tyres...

'Ermm.. Ermm excuse me.. do you know how to put air in the tyres on my car.. I just don't know WHAT to doooo '


note: also works for water.. oil and screenwash.

ORRR... when I get stopped by the police from something silly.. like the fact my back brake light bulb has been gone for a week.

'Hello officer.. .. it has? Oh .. are you sure? but... but.. it was working when I left home... .. Ohh thankyou!.. you are sooo sweet'




::drives off doing 100mph:::


Or... when I'm in the USA... (best English accent) ' Ohh I'm sooo terribly sorreee.. I don't carry ID.. I am from Eeeglaand.. we don't need to carry it there'


"dumb down" = manipulate! hmmmmm NICE!
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