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Yup, exactly!

Good post!

God is real even if you don't believe in Him.

Cutting and running?

Looks like you started it and can't deal with where it led.

If it really was as simple as that you'd be able to show everybody, wouldn't you?

I really was not very impressed by your arguments either.

Anyway thanks for getting it out in the open

YEAH!

Regardless of the OP's opinion I thought this was a GREAT post.



(just wish I had been able to post so well!)

Trying to follow your logic on this one Trish.

Help me out please.

"a 'true' believer would have no use for faith by your own argument"

I missed something here? How does his argument deny faith? Seriously, I'd like to know how you got that conclusion.

Pretty good Princess!

He as watching us mess up our world with such hatred for our fellow man. He gave us a free will to make our own choices. We can't place the blame on Him for that

Peaches

How do 'things' come about in the world that surrounds us personally?

The way I see it, we intend for those things to materialize and they do if we keep
the focus clear and have the faith and then just let go...

I believe there is mass consciousness that dictates what worldly things that
end up happening (or materializing). If enough people are led by fear by a
convincing man or a group of people, then it will materialize or events happen.
We celebrate the 'good' and learn from the 'not so much appreciated' things that
happen.

My "God" is defined by Energy + Information (Intelligence) that surrounds and permeates
everything in existence. It is constantly transforming. We are co-creators and we
are very much invited by this "God" to create along with it. Really there is no
choice about manifesting 'things' (we have to) but there is choice about 'what' we manifest.

That sounds like either "the secret" that all of the stars were promoting and talking about or else scientology.

well,maybe just some Updated Roadmap.
The Universe is not standing still to conform to our wishes.
Neither does the Universal Spirit!



PS: And Definitely it is NOT "Scientology" .

"Ask and you shall receive" is a literal, true and real invitation to manifestation.

"What goes around, comes around" - karma - what we experience and the effects from
our choices.

"Do onto others what you would have them do unto you." Love yourself and love your neighbor.

---

There are many truisms and helpful instructions in many 'holy books'...
(Just watch out for what is inserted in them that were intended to exert control at that
date in time.) Some writings in the books were truly inspired by having a higher
consciousness and some of the information in the 'books' were methods of control
at the time of the writing. It's for those of us reading the books to decide what resonates
within us - is true to our souls. That is felt inside our hearts.

HE WAS ON CONNECTING SINGLES or PLAYING SUDUKO

nah...didn't you watch Bruce Almighty...He was on vacation....



good morning everyone!!!

My belief are along similar lines

What's fascinating about this discussion is how it follows traditional lines within this sort of debate.

The religious element defending the foundation for their beliefs against ropey subversion from the scientific community...as well as mockery and sarcasm.

And the scientific community themselves...lofty...the epitome of hubris...total confidence in the ultimate truth of the basis for their beliefs.



Reality check needed folks.

Science cannot answer everything...and indeed, in seeking to answer questions scientifically, science has to be 'creative'...it has to 'theorize'...quite frequently actually. Consider Quantum Mechanics for a start. Remarkable minds...and creative thinkers seeking to explain what is around us. WORK IN PROGRESS!!

Now, as this is the case, how different is belief in one from the other?

Both are still attemtpting to prove themselves as fact. Both have very few answers, but claim to have them ALL!!!

Both camps are at times, victims of their own narrow-mindedness. The scientists hubristic approach to his growing understanding of the world around him, seems like a man with a £20 note who is convinced he can now buy a brand new Porsche.

And the religionist who picks and chooses what suits them...and doesn't really care from whence it materialized.

Oh dear...it is fun!

Basically, the scientist and the religionist both have faith. One hopes that it can all be explained, and one that it will be explained.

You can decide for yourself who's who on that one...I'll not attempt to make up your mind.

Well, we are all spiritual beings. All of us.

There are many paths.

This is just a conversation and, being that, a discourse between all interested
parties with many different ideas and belief systems.

the response below is taken from an essay by John Carrier. It is called "Why I Am Not A Christian"



"when their dogmatism meets our empiricism, slander is not far behind. I have increasingly encountered Christians who accuse me to my face of being a liar, of being wicked, of not wanting to talk to God, of willfully ignoring evidence--because that is the only way they can explain my existence. I cannot be an honest, well-informed pursuer of the truth who came to a fair and reasonable decision after a thorough examination of the evidence, because no such person can exist in the Christian worldview, who does not come to Christ. Therefore, I must be a wicked liar, I must be so deluded by sin that I am all but clinically insane, an irrational madman suffering some evil psychosis.

There is nothing I can do for such people. Nothing I ever show or say to them will ever convince them otherwise--it can't, because they start with the assumption that their belief in Christ has to be true, therefore right from the start everything I say or do is always going to be a lie or the product of some delusion. They don't need any evidence of this, because to their thinking it must be true. Such people are trapped in their own hall of mirrors, and for them there is no escape. They will never know they are wrong even if they are. No evidence, no logic, no reason will ever get through to them. When we combine this troubling fact with the observation that their religion, like every other, appears tailor-made to justify their own culture-bound desires and personal vanities--as, if every God is made in man's image, not the other way around--then we already have grounds for suspicion. The fact that even the Christian idea of God has constantly changed to suit our cultural and historical circumstances, and is often constructed to be impervious to logic or doubt, is reason enough to step back and ask ourselves whether we're on the wrong track with the Christian worldview".

Have not read every post so sorry if I repeat something someone else said ...

God was where he usually is ... in most people's hearts ...

Why blame God for deeds perpetuated not by himself but by humans who have forgotten or never known what having God/love in one's heart means ...