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Why be moral? What is meant by ‘right’, ‘wrong’, ‘good’ and ‘value’?

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RillyNiceGuy
Warren, Arkansas USA
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 7:18 AM CST
I think it is a definate maybe! confused
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constanza
Los Angeles, California USA
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 7:44 AM CST

Back from vacation so soon? rolling on the floor laughing sticking out tongue
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riyablossom
somewhere India
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 7:50 AM CST
well ... here starts my pitiful answer !!!

In short , we know not enough about anything to state any kind of
" absolutism " for anyone.

Why did moral principles come about and who laid them ? hmm.. I am inviting a quick sand dip now ...
I think morals were certain standards/ codes for living laid by " god " if you believe in one , society if you follow one or your own conscience if there is one.

So... if we serve the purpose of a fruitful life without causing hurt to another and aim to grow spiritually while we live without deliberately inflicting our views on another i guess its in certain ways moral enough.

No !! there is no absolutism !!! It is definitely inflicting opinion and judging by a protocol which is as Trish said " control."

Situations make a man and his life !!


uh oh! done.
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constanza
Los Angeles, California USA
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 7:59 AM CST


When it comes to morals Ray, absolutism is the only way to go amigo; it's either black or white; when you are searching for the gray it's because you need to justify a wrong; congratulations on taking the time to read the bible, even if you have not understood any of it yet. There is hope for you, just keep on trying grin wave
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Aries01
Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 8:01 AM CST
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Particularly "In short, we know not enough about anything to state any kind of "absolutism" for anyone"

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riyablossom
somewhere India
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 8:02 AM CST
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Greeting Ray, you big, soft cynic you.

Absolutism...or were does common sense come in to play.

Ray, this is my understanding of some things you were alluding to in your OP.

If somebody was attacking me or my future family, I'd defend myself and them with reasonable force. That's just common sense.

In turning the other cheek, I'd be allowing verbal insults to pass me by without retaliating in like manner.

As for the value of human life, and killing...Ray, human life IS sacred.

So, I'd do my level best to not put myself in a position were I could cause harm to another person. And that included a refusal to fight in ANY war, or bear arms in any capacity.

Also, for instance, I'd make sure my driving is up to standard.

You get the picture.

There are VERY few moral absolutes. I like to think of them as moral PRINCIPLES in any case...as it allows for a different method of acheiving the same aim for each person.

Less rigid...more reasonable...and requiring a deeper understanding of the REASONS for such statements.

Good health!



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riyablossom
somewhere India
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 8:02 AM CST
hi aries !!! wave

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Aries01
Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 8:09 AM CST
Hiya.. nice to see ur in top form hug
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constanza
Los Angeles, California USA
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 8:13 AM CST

As far as the self defense theory goes, sure we are all human and ready to react, to survive, but Jesus didn't do any of that. That tells me something.confused
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constanza
Los Angeles, California USA
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 8:15 AM CST
and he could have,easily; he had a large following. JMO wink
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BnaturAl
Sarnia, Ontario Canada
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 8:26 AM CST
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As far as the self defense theory goes, sure we are all human and ready to react, to survive, but Jesus didn't do any of that. That tells me something.


That was suicidal .. when one knows that his choice is death, no matter the instrument, he has indeed chosen suicide... that was jesus's choice to be a martyr throught the suicidal option. What survives because of this is the question of his lack of self defense.

the bible confounds with the option of free will and then says do this, dont do that, do that, don't do this. The rationalities of the bible are man written like any man would do attempts to see both sides of the free will question. There is nothing absolute about it.


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constanza
Los Angeles, California USA
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 10:43 AM CST

Bnat, cynic friend, keep in mind you shall be judged by your own standard; also with all do respect I find it more than appropriate to remind you that you are better off cutting your tongue off, maybe your hand, or you might just want to toss out the computer, a lil more practical; anyway you get the picture I hope, for your own sake. peace
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BnaturAl
Sarnia, Ontario Canada
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 10:58 AM CST
poppycock! what you see as cynical is another's realism.

not sure where you're heading with the rest, its dubious at best.

I dont keep platitudes in mind they're a waste of time, nor do I subscribe to puritanical views based in absolutes. The only thing that is forever is forever.

judgement! haha almost daily, like most people, to expect to avoid it is a practice in futulity, whether the avoidance is of myself or others.

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constanza
Los Angeles, California USA
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 11:01 AM CST

Puritanical, dogmatic, no no no scold ?

Remember the woman who healed by her very faith in him when she only touched his garment and it sufficed? What about the sinner who was crucified next to him and asked God's forgiveness?

Bnatural, you are a smart man, please. kiss peace
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BnaturAl
Sarnia, Ontario Canada
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 11:28 AM CST
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Puritanical, dogmatic, no no no ?
Remember the woman who healed by her very faith in him when she only touched his garment and it sufficed? What about the sinner who was crucified next to him and asked God's forgiveness?
Bnatural, you are a smart man, please.


Thanks for the judgement of my smarts ..dancing banana today you! tomorrow the world!!! yay uh oh!

So, here is my point, there are two ways to end this life.

1)suicide - you chose to end it because of some 'self' thought reasoning or unreasonable misthought.

2)sacrifice- someone else chooses to end your life because of their thought reasoning or unreasonable misthought.

And accepting ""someone else's"" thought reasoning as viable in life or death choice, (God making a choice for jesus and him buying into it) is suicidal, not sacrifice.


Because some would see a martyr as reasonable isn't wise, though it may have spirtual consequences to one's soul or the souls of many, wholey acceptable yes, dumb...yes; but I accept that it happens... there are better ways than suicide or sacrifce to find suffice and or forgiveness.

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constanza
Los Angeles, California USA
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 11:32 AM CST

A cynic always a cynic; should you choose to say anything else I will gracefully let you have the last word sticking out tongue
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starr6114
mitchell, South Dakota USA
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 11:34 AM CST
Smite them all, let God sort them out

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constanza
Los Angeles, California USA
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 11:35 AM CST

running out of pearls wink
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Ambrose2007
Badger, South Dakota USA
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 11:41 AM CST
Hey, Rayhandshake wave It's always nice to see someone raise actual substantive philosophic issues here.thumbs up

For those who believe in "moral absolutes," I would ask one thing: Are the rules that we govern ourselves with means to an end - or the end in itself? The latter - held by such absolutists - is logically absurd, a classic case of placing the horse before the cart.

Jeff
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constanza
Los Angeles, California USA
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 11:44 AM CST

Spoken like the practical gent you have always appeared to be. wine
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