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Ask a question you get answered.. seems reasonable.

Calling me a cynic?

Neither of those presents your view, accept to judge me as cynical without knowledge of whatever law or reasoning you bring to bare on your judgement of me.

back out if you wish, even call it graceful if you wish

I wonder if it's possible to be cynically graceful. God, I hope so.

theres no absolutes... morals will always be more a guideline than mandate.

at least for me

well if you had left god out you may have done just that

why be moral? I am because I want to. It's easier to look myself in the mirror that way.

what is meant by right, wrong, good and value?

right and wrong are the definitions of our moral personalities....they are the guides of our moral behaviour...without wrong there can be no right and vice-versa

If i do something good for someone then I have given you something to value....which we measure by our own desires...


the worth of what has been received by the good action....imo




hope I made some sense here.........

In my view a moral is a message conveyed or a lesson learned from a story or an event.

Morality though, from a normative and universal sense, refers to an ideal code of conduct, one which would be espoused in preference to alternatives by all rational people under specified conditions. Nevertheless you may deny "morality" which then represents a position known as "moral scepticism".

Using common sense and following local laws will get you close to a very high moral standard….unless you live in a gunmen's country.

Occam's razor

'Puritanical, dogmatic, no no no ?

Remember the woman who healed by her very faith in him when she only touched his garment and it sufficed? What about the sinner who was crucified next to him and asked God's forgiveness?

Bnatural, you are a smart man, please.' - Constanza




DOGMA! DOGMATIST!

YOU ARE EXPOUNDING DOGMA!

BNATURAL IS RIGHT!

Back from a long nap?

'When it comes to morals Ray, absolutism is the only way to go amigo; it's either black or white; when you are searching for the gray it's because you need to justify a wrong; congratulations on taking the time to read the bible, even if you have not understood any of it yet. There is hope for you, just keep on trying' - Constanza

God save man from this womish!




You realise, Constaza, what you are saying means ‘Thou Shall Not Kill’ under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES?

Women like you are the reason burglars break into houses in the UK and get hit with a baseball bat in the dark and end up prosecuting the owner of the house, AND winning. Really.

If someone enters your house in the dark of the night, where your family are sleeping, your wife, your kids under their covers . . . How do YOU know what they are going to do?

Forget that: WHAT THE F* ARE THEY DOING BREAKING INTO YOUR HOUSE?

You should have the right to fatally wound a man breaking into your house and even kill him without being tried for anything other than excusable manslaughter.

I am from South Africa, and if a man breaks into your house you can put a bullet straight through his face.

Now, here is another problem with moral absolutism; with morality itself. What applies to one country does not apply to another . . . BECUASE of the circumstances of that country.

THAT is another problem with moral absolutism . . .

It is not quite such a simple, common-sense problem as Detente, for one, thinks it . . .

Although from an individual point of view I stand by most of what he said . . .

BUT . . . another problem with meeting force with reasonable force is that it predicates the knowledge of the force you are to meet it with (and how is THAT predicated?). How do you know the force someone else is willing, going to use against you? Are you supposed to wait and see, Detente?

These issues enter law and the philosophical reformation of law . . .

For instance in South Africa, we know that if some breaks into your house your family could have their throats slit (the robbers are likely to be armed), your wife raped, but by the same token you could just have your rug stolen . . .

Nevertheless, whoever breaks into your house you can shoot dead.

You can even shoot someone on your property.

Morality is a deeper problem than you think . . .

'Back from a long nap?'

No, actually . . . I happen to be doing a PHD in Philosophy - been a bit busy, wise one.


Er . . . holy crap. I just noticed the Valentines Day emotions . . .

When is Valentine's Day?

Did you know that Valentines day is based on a bloody gangland massacre of human beings?

'Hey, Ray It's always nice to see someone raise actual substantive philosophic issues here.

For those who believe in "moral absolutes," I would ask one thing: Are the rules that we govern ourselves with means to an end - or the end in itself? The latter - held by such absolutists - is logically absurd, a classic case of placing the horse before the cart.

Jeff'

Thank you Jeff!!! And good analogy!!!

Horse before cart . . . well said my man!!!

14th... and no I didn't know that.

Beloved Ray I wasn't expecting anyhting less from you hun; you hate people, of course violence will be your first instinct, but it isn't always the best solution, or by far the only way to go; I might react myself violently due to fear, it's normal, but is it moral to kill? Sure there is a good reason for it, it's called instinct, wanting to survive;

Btw, it isn't women who think like me causing the crime rate to increase anywhere; it is the godless world we live in; you might want to call it lack of morals, since you are comfortable with that, I think;

One last thing from this ignorant dogmatic lady, who does believe in God and the Bible; the ultimate dillema of "dogma" is God's forgiveness of our sins, when we choose to acknowledge and honor him.

'Beloved Ray I wasn't expecting anyhting less from you hun; you hate people, of course violence will be your first instinct, but it isn't always the best solution, or by far the only way to go; I might react myself violently due to fear, it's normal, but is it moral to kill? Sure there is a good reason for it, it's called instinct, wanting to survive;

Btw, it isn't women who think like me causing the crime rate to increase anywhere; it is the godless world we live in; you might want to call it lack of morals, since you are comfortable with that, I think;

One last thing from this ignorant dogmatic lady, who does believe in God and the Bible; the ultimate dillema of "dogma" is God's forgiveness of our sins, when we choose to acknowledge and honor him.' - Constanza


Wise one . . . if all religions disappeared from the earth tomorrow and the laws remained, what do you think would happen?

But, if all the laws disappeared from the world tomorrow, and religion remained, what do you think would happen?

AN INCREASING CRIME RATE HAS TO DO WITH LAW!!!!!!!!!!!

Moral Absolutism is nonsense!

Did you know that Moses murders an Egyptian in Exodus for beating a Hebrew and burieS him in the sand when no one is looking . . .

I have read many Religious works, Constanza. Have you read the Koran? The Upanishads? The Law Code of Manu? Did you know The Law Code Manu with its moral absolutes still oppresses women today?

Don’t worry dear ole dear. . .

I am ahead of you.

And I don't hate people, I hate people who are stubborn to the facts!!!

The Bible is a monotheistic account of a murderous rabble of Jews led by the murderer Moses after they were kicked out of Egypt. They were such a rabble of animals they had to be told how to dig holes out of their camps to crap in . . .

In the meantime Egypt was the greatest and most orderly civilization the world had ever seen, and still amazes it today.

The murderous rabble of Jews are then led to the their chosen Land by God to murder his Son . . .

WAKE UP!!!

a moral for you

THE WEDDING TEST

I was a very happy person. My wonderful girlfriend and I had been dating for over a year, and so we decided to get married.

There was only one little thing bothering me...It was her beautiful younger sister.

My prospective sister-in-law was twenty-two, wore very tight miniskirts, and generally was bra-less. She would regularly bend down when she was near me, and I always got more than a nice view.

It had to be deliberate because she never did it when she was near anyone else.

One day her "little" sister called and asked me to come over to check the wedding invitations. She was alone when I arrived, and she whispered to me that she had feelings and desires for me that she couldn't overcome.

She told me that she wanted me just once before I got married and committed my life to her sister.

Well, I was in total shock, and couldn't say a word. She said, I'm going upstairs to my bedroom, and if you want one last wild fling, just come up and get me."

I was stunned and frozen in shock as I watched her go up the stairs.

I stood there for a moment, then turned and made a beeline straight to the front door. I opened the door, and headed straight towards my car.

Lo and behold, my entire future family was standing outside all clapping!

With tears in his eyes, my father-in-law hugged me and said, "We are very happy that you have passed our little test. We couldn't ask for a better man for our daughter. Welcome to the family!"



And the moral of this story is:



Always keep your condoms in your car.

The law isn't a deterrant to crime anywhere; morals and righteuosness is the answer, because it enables people to have and to maintain proper conduct; what happens when no one is watching when you base a society on law alone? I think you know the answer and so do others.

I do need a cup of coffee; it's very early here; btw, congrats on working on your PhD.

Foreveryoung that was funny tests are good hopefully we are smart enough to interpret the answer.

Constanza, is it maybe possible, do you think, that the current state with the law is the result of them having been made, traditionally, by righteous moral absolutists rather than by people who believe in realistic principles?

I agree with Ray's earlier comment on the law in GB where we can longer defend our own property. If people had respect for the laws and if the laws were a little less one sided, there wouldnt be half the problems there are.

Many of the laws are basically there to protect those who have - from the minions - and the minions are recognising this.

In part this is the result of seeing through 'moral absolutism' which was imposed, dogmatically for centuries - thankfully the veil is in decay