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"The vast majority of immigrants are not eligible to receive any of these [welfare] benefits for many years after their arrival in the United States. . . . Legal permanent residents cannot receive SSI [Supplemental Security Income], which is available only to U.S. citizens, and are not eligible for means-tested public benefits until 5 years after receiving their green cards."

Illegal immigrants are also ineligible for any kind of federal welfare benefits--with the exception of emergency health care. Many of the Congressional proposals to legalize this population would not allow these workers to collect welfare until waiting up to eight years for a green card and five years after that.


Is this untrue then?

Did we have welfare a hundred years ago? What happen in those days?

your post is noyhing less tham a hate thread! You lump every immigrant together without enough information. Did you check to see if these people were illegals?? You started out in a medical office and then was at the dental office and it seems the same people were ther, too!
As, I said previously, I am of Mexican background, people like you, would judge me as an illegal just because I may have several children and am a Mexican.

Your type of racism and profiling give America a bad name....not the illegals!!

And yes, I'm pissed!!

I am against paying for people and their children when they are totally capable of working, they have no health problems, however i am against taking advantage of the " American system", If you have a child that is ill or if there is a real need by all means, that is what it is there for, but i don't believe at 14 and 15 yrs. of age, get knocked up, and get on the welfare system and keep adding innocent children to the fatherless saga.
I raised 2 girls, worked at my regular job, and tought dentistry in the evening, so I do not have compassion for lazy people that are very capable of working.

and at least speak english too, not just " no able espanol".please.

thank you, you know exactly what i am talking about.

well goody for you. Did you ever hear the saying....'ther but for the grace of God, go I??

You did well for yourself. You shouldbe thank-ful! But not everyone has the same abilities as you.

That was then....this is now. We aren't living a hundred years ago!!

Well i know from experience...here In North Carolina
i came back here as a single father.
No home
no job
very little money(200.00 dollars in my pocket)
2 children
and 1 car.
lost everything in Florida due to uncontrloable things i could not change.

Day care Vouchers... I was on a waiting list and was told maybe even up to 2 years before i could get the help.

Food Stamps... was given 52.00 a month for 3 months... because i lived at my mothers,and my past income was way over thier standard.

i did however recieve state medical... Medicare for the girls

No welfare, no AFDC.no education grants or help.

No child support. Exwife never worked in the marriage and even based on minimum wage she refused to pay any assistance to me or her children.Even when she had a Job ,she gave no help...

I went and got a job... (fortunate my parents where there for the children)

I paid my own way through school on a payment plan.

and kept my employeement until i recieved my certification.

So in some ways i have to agree... i see many people who are able bodied and able minded... they just lack any ambition,and like the easy road.

No it isn't luxury of life... but i know many who subsidise thier income "under the table" and are doing much better than those who recieve nothing in the way of assistance.

I lost my childrens medicare as soon as i started working fulltime and was no longer considered a fulltime student.2 1/2 years ago

so i really have no sympathy for those who suck up money from others who need it.or those who would use a system that has very little to give and take what is left... leaving honest hard working people to support thier lazy lifestyle.

There are plenty of Men Women and children in this country who cannot get the help they need because of these thieves and swindlers.

I think if they are caught frauding they would be forced to either work in public services or hide and work wherever they could find it...
either way they will have to support themselves for the damages they caused Good honest people.

I have no disagreement with that..at all

i think what needs to happen is the pompus overpayed people who work in these establishments (the upper management) should be more active investigating the needs of those who come for help.

I mean we pay so many people to do socialwork,welfare,postal employees,health department workers...

if a network was setup where every service offered to each individual was tracked and audited regularly... and also have places for comments from teachers and other civil service employees.
the fraud would be dramaticly decreased.

I do not like to think of someone coming in and invading my privacy... But then i really have nothing to hide.

But if to recieve services it was known that your life would be viewed carefully... the ones who scam would not be so quick to hold thier hand.

Just like selling an 0.89 cent part to the goverment and charging 750,000.00 Shipping fees to get around the system.
And yes it happens all the time... here in America.

In reply to no one in particular....

Ok, I"m probably going to ruffle some feathers here, but I just can't remain silent on this issue anymore.
I replied to this thread thinking it was a thread about the American welfare system, and I offered information regarding my state and it's welfare policies. I did not realize until later posts that this is an issue of racial prejudice.

I just have so many points to make I can't even think straight.

First of all, this isn't even an illegal immigration issue, it is purely an ANTI-MEXICAN issue. I don't see Americans complaining about illegal immigrants from any other country. And if anyone is fool enough to believe we don't have illegal immigrants from Russia, Ukraine, etc.. they are simply blind to the facts.

2. I don't see an illegal Mexican "dead beat mooching off the system" as even one inkling worse than a full American citizen "dead beat mooching off the system". Believe me, we have TONS of dead beat lazy Americans sucking every penny they can from our system, who have never worked a job and paid taxes a day in their life.

3. I don't give a flying flip about who pays the taxes and who gets the benefits. It will NEVER be equal. It's not like everyone is going to work for 40 years and then everyone is going to collect that tax money back to live off of it in their old age. It just doesn’t work that way. Nor do we get to say “I paid $456 in taxes and I feel that so-and-so deserves that $456 in social benefits. We don’t get to pick and choose.

4. Furthermore, there are a lot of HARD WORKING people who simply don't pay taxes the same as everyone else. Lots of farmers provide their families with food, game, build a roof over their head, and take care of their families. They don't get an hourly wage, and they don't pay as much in taxes. That doesn't mean they are any less hard working people or that they should deserve a smaller piece of the proverbial tax benefit pie. Same applies to a lot of "Handyman" jobs that are done under the table. Same applies to a lot of Native Americans who make homemade crafts and sell them, or elderly women who make quilts and sell them.
This whole equation of "I pay taxes therefore I'm a harder worker who deserves the benefits" is an illogical platform. We all do what we can to support our families. If that means a 9-5 job paying taxes so be it. But it doesn't make someone a better person.

5. Most of the Mexicans I am aware of (and I really don't know or care if they are citizens are not) are very hard working people. I know a lot of American citizen adult males who think they are too good to work fast food, but are perfectly content to shack up with their welfare American citizen girlfriends who have babies by 3 different guys, and sit on their lazy butts playing XBox 360. Meanwhile Mexican men are sharing a freaking woodshed with 4 other families and putting in 12 hour days shoveling manure for $2 an hour.

I'm sure I had more to say, but at this point I'm too aggravated to remember what it was.

Maybe, we should get back to basics. Maybe we should help others instead of handing everything to others. Maybe instead of changing things like we have done for the past 50 years that has put us in the situations we are now in, maybe we should go back to the old ways and change our "attitudes"..

you couldn't be farther from the truth, no one is judging you, these are the facts, i don't even know you, and almost all my friends are Mexicans, so I think you are reading this thing wrong sir,

no disrespect,

ride on, all i was saying, ( no, u got what i was saying),
i don't need to go over this again.

the only attitudes I see prevelent in our society is every man for himself and let's not help..but ignore, the less fortunate.

I am in total agreement that our welfare system is out of hand and needs a major overhaul. But hateful and racist Americans won't lift a finger.....from what I read here on CS, to help anyone!!

The statue of liberty says...give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses.....it does not say"only if the come through this port'!

yes, I totally agree with you, 100%.

oh, another" some of my best friends are" person. How often did I hear that in the sixties...when it was the blacks that were so hated!

I agree with shipoker55 100%

that is what i was talking about, thank you.

I have not issues with immigrants or mexicans or chinese or any race, it's a matter of frauding the system when you know you are able to work, hell, our VETERANS OF WAR are struggling and they can't get the help they deserve and need, yet lazy and totally capable people are receiving the help.

what? you lost me now.

good day sir,