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If given the choice................




Scottishlass
Knoxville, Tennessee USA
Posted: Jan 15, 2008, 10:43 AM CST
Would it be wrong to offer FREE vasectomys and tubal litigation to adults (it would have to be of their own free will) in countries where hunger and Aids are killing children and leaving them orphaned?

What is worse? watching children suffer or allowing them to choose not to have children?



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Posted: Jan 15, 2008, 10:48 AM CST
i think as long as abortion is a legal choice yes
why not?

it would be a closed end burden on society, financially,
rather than long term financial committment
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diogenes
Longview, Texas USA
Posted: Jan 15, 2008, 10:48 AM CST
That's a good idea.


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HJFinAZ
Sun (Sin) CIty, Arizona USA
Posted: Jan 15, 2008, 10:51 AM CST
What is worse? watching children suffer or allowing them to choose not to have children?

Well, there is always "welfare".. Our government gives billions to help other countries rebuild or develop in general yet people in our country are homeless and starving.

Did I mention government employees are the only ones that cannot be terminated without and act of congress? Did I mention that politicians are the only ones that determine when they need a raise and how much? Did I mention that politicians are the only people that can serve one term and collect the same pay for the rest of their lives?

Everyone wants to talk but nobody is willing to stand up...JMO

Crap, can anyone tell this is a touchy subject with me??D'oh!



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st712
Cheshire UK
Posted: Jan 15, 2008, 10:55 AM CST







Post: Would it be wrong to offer FREE vasectomys and tubal litigation to adults (it would have to be of their own free will) in countries where hunger and Aids are killing children and leaving them orphaned?



........yes




What is worse? watching children suffer or allowing them to choose not to have children?



...the answer to your Q is FOOD...



the perverted idea of sterilization to control the populus was banished when the NAZI'S were defeated





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curlywolf
quebec, Quebec Canada
Posted: Jan 15, 2008, 10:56 AM CST
[quoteDid I mention government employees are the only ones that cannot be terminated without and act of congress? Did I mention that politicians are the only ones that determine when they need a raise and how much? Did I mention that politicians are the only people that can serve one term and collect the same pay for the rest of their lives?
][/quote]



..U JUST DID.wave



And in asnswer to the question I think it sounds like a good idea to anyone who would want it but only if it were their choice.
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dcj22
Somewhere, South Dakota USA
Posted: Jan 15, 2008, 10:58 AM CST
Yes, if their choice
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Posted: Jan 15, 2008, 10:59 AM CST
what a ridiculous response
it was offered by choice
millions of kids live in cars and dont eat or go to school even in america

choice
just like there is a choice for abortion

and HJF i have said that a billion times lately on post
youve never showed up to back me up

harrumph

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curlywolf
quebec, Quebec Canada
Posted: Jan 15, 2008, 11:00 AM CST
I'm not seeing it in the view of a 'control' like the Nazis did, i see it as a way to avoid children being abandoned or sold because their families can't provide for them and don't use birth control.
I'd offer it world wide.............i know a few who could use it.

JMO
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Posted: Jan 15, 2008, 11:01 AM CST
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Would it be wrong to offer FREE vasectomys and tubal litigation to adults (it would have to be of their own free will) in countries where hunger and Aids are killing children and leaving them orphaned?


Who would pay?
And would it be offered to all countries or just the ones with hunger and AIDS?
Wait, I think probably all countries have hunger and AIDS...

Personally, I think it's a great idea in theory.
But then I also have no qualms about certain types of involuntary sterilization too... in theory.
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Posted: Jan 15, 2008, 11:02 AM CST
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lusciousmile
Espoo, Etela-Suomen Laani Finland
Posted: Jan 15, 2008, 11:08 AM CST
applause

What a great idea. They should launch it in Kenya.


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Oslojente
Olso Norway
Posted: Jan 15, 2008, 11:11 AM CST
girlnextdoormouse wrote:
And would it be offered to all countries or just the ones with hunger and AIDS?
Wait, I think probably all countries have hunger and AIDS...



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lusciousmile
Espoo, Etela-Suomen Laani Finland
Posted: Jan 15, 2008, 11:11 AM CST
Mindful, abortion is illegal in Kenya.


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Posted: Jan 15, 2008, 11:12 AM CST
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HJFinAZ
Sun (Sin) CIty, Arizona USA
Posted: Jan 15, 2008, 11:13 AM CST
I have no clue as to what happens in other countries, what their "choices" are. Here in the U.S., we already have the choice, Planned Parenthood is alive and well, schools pass out condoms, vasectomies are cover by all insurance plans, every state (that I am aware of) has some type of state aid.

Someone mentioned food. AZ "USED" to be a very large ag state with plenty of crops. Government officials and there greed have destroyed all that, where there was fields of crops, there are now houses and industrial buildings. Government ONLY cares about the tax base, they may need to provide THEMSELVES a raise or better benifits..

Many years ago this country had a revolution because of these exact same things, it is so sad to see that so many today have not the balls to stand up and say "ENOUGH"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am grateful I am old and the time for me is getting shorter, I have empathy you the younger generations and my grandkids.

DON'T get me started...................very mad frustrated
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lusciousmile
Espoo, Etela-Suomen Laani Finland
Posted: Jan 15, 2008, 11:13 AM CST
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lusciousmile
Espoo, Etela-Suomen Laani Finland
Posted: Jan 15, 2008, 11:15 AM CST
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Yes, if their choice




I agree, these people should also be educated on these choices. You would not believe how ignorant and misinformed they are. Sad.
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Posted: Jan 15, 2008, 11:21 AM CST
not sure what the OP meant-i guessed US
so thats what my response was referring to

many dopers have kids and lose em
believe me many would rather not have any at all
as they feel they cant stop using
and some cant...


sad

anyway if abortions are free why not sterilization?
many people change their lives and take care of some things they regret like having tattoos removed-or expunging their court records,
paying back monies owed etc-so if one were to change-often these
procedures are reversible, or there is also adoption...


are you still in kenya?
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lusciousmile
Espoo, Etela-Suomen Laani Finland
Posted: Jan 15, 2008, 11:25 AM CST
In response to:
not sure what the OP meant-i guessed US
so thats what my response was referring to

many dopers have kids and lose em
believe me many would rather not have any at all
as they feel they cant stop using
and some cant...


sad

anyway if abortions are free why not sterilization?
many people change their lives and take care of some things they regret like having tattoos removed-or expunging their court records,
paying back monies owed etc-so if one were to change-often these
procedures are reversible, or there is also adoption...


are you still in kenya?


Yeah, she was probably referring to the states.
Not in Kenya. Was beginning to fear for my life, i am from the 'kikuyu' tribe getting killed.
Jesus Christ, talk about hope in developing.

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