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Hypocrisy

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skimpydoo
Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: Jan 17, 2008, 6:59 AM CST
One car gets 46 miles per gallon, features fancy accessories, and sports two engines with a combined 145 horsepower.

The other car reportedly gets 54 miles per gallon, runs on a diminutive 30-horse power engine, and is positively spartan in its interior trimmings.

The first is a darling of the environmentally conscious. The latter is reviled as a climate wrecker.

These two vehicles are the Toyota Prius and the newly unveiled Tata Nano, dubbed “the people’s car.”

Is there a double standard? Whats your take friends ?
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st712
Cheshire UK
Posted: Jan 19, 2008, 1:23 PM CST
The first is a darling of the environmentally conscious. The latter is reviled as a climate wrecker.




that's coz the latter only does 6mph max.........grin
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tampa1
London, Ontario Canada
Posted: Jan 19, 2008, 2:38 PM CST
Lmao......46 MPG is an environmental wrecker? Man try driving my F150....it gets about 25 on a good day.
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BullitBoyPL
Jersey City USA
Posted: Feb 5, 2008, 8:16 PM CST
Ideally, you could've provided a little more background. Your post doesn't make much sense and is misleading for anybody who didn't read about this. This is not about individual emissions but potential threat to the environment that the boosted Indian car market is going to bring + increased gas prices for us. Prius doesn't pose such a threat, obviously. The real question is whether we like Indians having a lot of cars or not. Personally, I think it's in our best interest for India or China not to have a car market at all. It seems that if anyone is going to be a winner here that's going to be Tata Motors.
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rwantin
Costa Mesa, California USA
Posted: Feb 5, 2008, 9:04 PM CST
The Tata's output (33 hp), drum brakes, non-power steering and 12-inch wheels would make it a real scream here stateside.

It would be a hood ornament on the 405 freeway methinks.
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hrt4lse
Redding, California USA
Posted: Feb 5, 2008, 9:08 PM CST
I've test driven a Prius & wasn't too crazy with the way it's set up. I don't like the speedometer being in the center of the console (center between the driver & passenger) instead of in line of site in front of the driver. I also don't like the way the gear shift is designed. If they'd change those two things, I wouldn't mind having one. Although what I'd really rather have is a Ford Escape Hybrid so I can have the SUV look back.
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Posted: Feb 6, 2008, 12:17 AM CST
They have a new eletric car dealer here in Arkansas. The car gets 46 miles on one charge and 52 if your wearing a wool sweater during cood weather. It is called the "Uninate" its mostly for pissing around town.professor
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skimpydoo
Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: Feb 6, 2008, 4:05 AM CST
RillyNiceGuy wrote:
They have a new eletric car dealer here in Arkansas. The car gets 46 miles on one charge and 52 if your wearing a wool sweater during cood weather. It is called the "Uninate" its mostly for pissing around town.
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thequietone
lyndhurst, Victoria Australia
Posted: Feb 6, 2008, 5:52 AM CST
skimpydoo wrote:
One car gets 46 miles per gallon, features fancy accessories, and sports two engines with a combined 145 horsepower.

The other car reportedly gets 54 miles per gallon, runs on a diminutive 30-horse power engine, and is positively spartan in its interior trimmings.

The first is a darling of the environmentally conscious. The latter is reviled as a climate wrecker.

These two vehicles are the Toyota Prius and the newly unveiled Tata Nano, dubbed “the people’s car.”

Is there a double standard? Whats your take friends ?


from memory, the idea was to give the indians a chance to own a car (get granny off the handlebars) with the indian roads full of bikes and overloaded buses, we can see an environmental disaster in india, rest of the world who knows.
its not about size, it's how you use it.grin
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Munichtexan
Brno Czech Republic
Posted: Feb 6, 2008, 8:03 AM CST
skimpydoo wrote:
One car gets 46 miles per gallon, features fancy accessories, and sports two engines with a combined 145 horsepower.

The other car reportedly gets 54 miles per gallon, runs on a diminutive 30-horse power engine, and is positively spartan in its interior trimmings.

The first is a darling of the environmentally conscious. The latter is reviled as a climate wrecker.

These two vehicles are the Toyota Prius and the newly unveiled Tata Nano, dubbed “the people’s car.”

Is there a double standard? Whats your take friends ?


I agree with your title - Hypocrisy. Because the Tato Nano is supposed to run $900 so the average Indian family or person can afford it. We are all up in arms about India now being able to consume more fuel. Yet Humbies, SUV's and big trucks are all the thing in the states. At the same time, buses and trains are used for public transportation in India. Not in the states. Environmentally friendly would be for the US to use the 1000's of tracks they have to start moving people by train.
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tampa1
London, Ontario Canada
Posted: Feb 6, 2008, 8:50 AM CST
I'm thinking of getting a horse to pull my truck.....grin
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tampa1
London, Ontario Canada
Posted: Feb 6, 2008, 8:51 AM CST
tampa1 wrote:
I'm thinking of getting a horse to pull my truck.....



And I won't have to cut the lawn anymore either.....laugh
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BullitBoyPL
Jersey City USA
Posted: Feb 6, 2008, 2:57 PM CST
Munichtexan wrote:
I agree with your title - Hypocrisy. Because the Tato Nano is supposed to run $900 so the average Indian family or person can afford it. We are all up in arms about India now being able to consume more fuel. Yet Humbies, SUV's and big trucks are all the thing in the states. At the same time, buses and trains are used for public transportation in India. Not in the states. Environmentally friendly would be for the US to use the 1000's of tracks they have to start moving people by train.


Personally, I never understood most accusations of hypocrisy. I have a good understanding of Realpolitik, however and I stick to that. You said, that "we're all up in arms about India being consume more fuel. Yet Humbies [sic], SUV's and big trucks are all the thing in the states" So? What's the impact of that?
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Munichtexan
Brno Czech Republic
Posted: Feb 6, 2008, 3:07 PM CST
tampa1 wrote:
I'm thinking of getting a horse to pull my truck.....


I have one, he is big enough. 16.2 hands and he is for sale! grin
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Munichtexan
Brno Czech Republic
Posted: Feb 6, 2008, 3:12 PM CST
BullitBoyPL wrote:
Ideally, you could've provided a little more background. Your post doesn't make much sense and is misleading for anybody who didn't read about this. This is not about individual emissions but potential threat to the environment that the boosted Indian car market is going to bring + increased gas prices for us. Prius doesn't pose such a threat, obviously. The real question is whether we like Indians having a lot of cars or not. Personally, I think it's in our best interest for India or China not to have a car market at all. It seems that if anyone is going to be a winner here that's going to be Tata Motors.


So it is ok for people in the US to drive what ever they want and complain about other countries having basic transportation? US is not a fuel producer but a consumer. As long as US citizens do not seriously consider this and look for alternatives, then we are really under control of the middle East and Russia who have the fuel.

Foreign oil has dictated US policy for the last 60 years. We have no control over China and India, they are going to do what is best for their people. It is time US did the same in my humble opinion.
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Munichtexan
Brno Czech Republic
Posted: Feb 6, 2008, 3:14 PM CST
BullitBoyPL wrote:
Personally, I never understood most accusations of hypocrisy. I have a good understanding of Realpolitik, however and I stick to that. You said, that "we're all up in arms about India being consume more fuel. Yet Humbies [sic], SUV's and big trucks are all the thing in the states" So? What's the impact of that?


Sorrry post above was in reply to this.
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Munichtexan
Brno Czech Republic
Posted: Feb 6, 2008, 3:23 PM CST
BullitBoyPL wrote:
Personally, I never understood most accusations of hypocrisy. I have a good understanding of Realpolitik, however and I stick to that. You said, that "we're all up in arms about India being consume more fuel. Yet Humbies [sic], SUV's and big trucks are all the thing in the states" So? What's the impact of that?


A little bit better clarification. A recent article in yahoo news stated that 60 % of the average homes budget went to fuel related costs. That presently the average US home spends more on basic transportation and related fuel than any other monthly cost.

As a comparison, in Europe, Asia, Russia, Africa and India you can get around by public transportation. Which means you have an alternative to driving your own vehicle.

It is popular to drive large vehicles, but expensive. It also hurts the ovealll US economy by increasing the differance between imports and exports. The US is presently becoming a third world country. The year 2008 will bring on a recession that will not be felt as strongly in Russia, Middle East or China.

My nickname MunichTexan is do to the fact that I come from Texas. US born and raised, plus I have lived in Europe and traveled through Asia and Russia. The US had the opportunity after 911 to truly attack terrorism by attacking the money supply, foreign oil, but never acted on it. Evey time you drive your big truck, Humbie or SUV in a indirect way you are supporting terrorists because a certain amount of that money ends up in their hands.
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Posted: Feb 6, 2008, 3:24 PM CST
Munichtexan wrote:
So it is ok for people in the US to drive what ever they want and complain about other countries having basic transportation? US is not a fuel producer but a consumer. As long as US citizens do not seriously consider this and look for alternatives, then we are really under control of the middle East and Russia who have the fuel.

Foreign oil has dictated US policy for the last 60 years. We have no control over China and India, they are going to do what is best for their people. It is time US did the same in my humble opinion.


I saw where a gasoline engine and diesel engine can easily be converted to run on WATER and still run on petro products when you need it to, as a backup.

The politicians bought into offshore oil, many many years ago. They have been profiting from oil for all of these years. They are selfish. They have no desire for the consumer to conserve it's use.

I drive a little scooter which gets 85mpg and runs about 58mph. I want to do my part to piss em off!



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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: Feb 6, 2008, 5:03 PM CST



I read somewhere that it took more resources/energy to build a Prius than it did to make a Hummer. (Just food for thought?)


I don't understand why everyone feels they need to drive an army tank in the United States, then bitch about gas prices. <SOS> dunno
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BullitBoyPL
Jersey City USA
Posted: Feb 7, 2008, 12:30 AM CST
Munichtexan wrote:
So it is ok for people in the US to drive what ever they want and complain about other countries having basic transportation? US is not a fuel producer but a consumer. As long as US citizens do not seriously consider this and look for alternatives, then we are really under control of the middle East and Russia who have the fuel.

Foreign oil has dictated US policy for the last 60 years. We have no control over China and India, they are going to do what is best for their people. It is time US did the same in my humble opinion.


I think any sort of complaining is unjustified when it comes to power and politics. I agree that US energy infrastructure needs to transform somehow in order to provide for its people, whether it's alternative sources or other means of securing our independence (Iraq perhaps?). As to what extent Middle Eastern and Russian dictates policy, I don't know and would not want to make any broad statements about impacts of that.

At this exact point in time however, a car market in China and India is still NOT in our interest but I don't have any idea how US could control them, either.

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