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What do you believe in ?




JOESINGLEDAD
Navarre USA
Posted: Jan 19, 2008, 1:28 PM CST
I feel you must sense God within yourself to feel God's love and presence.There is a spirit spark in all life.You must feel to see.
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Claayer
Wild Wild South West, Cornwall, England UK
Posted: Jan 19, 2008, 1:28 PM CST
Ambrose2007 wrote:
"We agree to disagree."

I don't.



laugh haha


People are all different.. we all like different things.. well no.. some of us like the same things.

We have our own views on the shoes.. people.. and foods we like..

Our OWN tastes in furniture.. cars and holidays.


Beliefs are no different IMO.. we have our OWN views on them too.


It doesn't make ANY of us right or wrong.
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Ambrose2007
Badger, South Dakota USA
Posted: Jan 19, 2008, 1:29 PM CST
riyablossom wrote:
Thankyou all !!

Respect for anothers faith ( in whatever or whomever ) is rare to gather and quite needed today.

But does an atheist view equate to a belief in science and proofs ?


Not necessarily. Atheism is a philosophic stance, not a scientific one. Most atheists seem to have a rather scientific bent and/or a respect for scientific methods, however.
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BnaturAl
Sarnia, Ontario Canada
Posted: Jan 19, 2008, 1:29 PM CST
riyablossom wrote:
Never worshipped then Al ?


worshipped? No ... raised in a catholic family though, whats that joke about having a drug problem, I was drug to school, drug to church... have explained many times on forums what happened then, they couldn't produce a god ... so nothing to worship but ideaolgy and dogma.. and someone else's at that .. so no, never worshipped... well maybe a pleasing female form or two .. pleasing to me anyway..

I pray if it can be called that ... to my fellow man (usually people close to me) .. through meditition.
I think man listens more than this unknown god does.
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riyablossom
somewhere .. , Pennsylvania USA
Posted: Jan 19, 2008, 1:30 PM CST
JOESINGLEDAD wrote:
I feel you must sense God within yourself to feel God's love and presence.There is a spirit spark in all life.You must feel to see.


thumbs up

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kevduf
Columbia, Missouri USA
Posted: Jan 19, 2008, 1:30 PM CST
riyablossom wrote:
This idea cropped in to my mind while on Indy's thread.

People, what do you believe or have faith in ?

I have faith in myself, and also in the general goodness of mankind. I know it makes me sound like a hippie, but really I think most people are basically good.

I know this sounds ambigious. But not everyone here is religious.

So do you believe in God ? If yes, what do you believe about him and his teachings ?
Do you follow any particular religion ? If yes/no why ?
If atheist, what is your belief about the existence of a creator or an energy force ?
If none of these , any personalised beliefs ?
PS: This is NOT to debate or put anyone's faith down .


I have faith in myself, and also in the general goodness of mankind. I know it makes me sound like a hippie, but really I think most people are basically good.

I do not believe in god, and in fact, I think the teachings of the various religions are the biggest problem we have in the world today. Killings, war, the hatred of different lifestyles, the intrusions on a woman's body, and just general backwardness can all be traced back to religion many times.

Not to say I don't find religion interesting, I was a Religious Studies major in college! How it spreads, why people believe, the history of the various religions and how they have changed over the years is fascinating.

It's the fervent believers that bother me. Never questioning, never leearning about their own faith....it's frustrating.
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Claayer
Wild Wild South West, Cornwall, England UK
Posted: Jan 19, 2008, 1:31 PM CST
riyablossom wrote:
Thankyou all !!

Respect for anothers faith ( in whatever or whomever ) is rare to gather and quite needed today.

But does an atheist view equate to a belief in science and proofs ?


Well I can't speak for EVERY Atheist.. the same as any person that follows a religion or belief cant speak for anyone else.

But for ME.. I need FACTS... hard cold honest facts.. Before I would start to believe in anything... and even then, maybe I wouldn't.
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Ambrose2007
Badger, South Dakota USA
Posted: Jan 19, 2008, 1:32 PM CST
"It doesn't make ANY of us right or wrong."

Since it seems to be "Pick on Claayer Day" (or is it just me?), surely you don't mean that you don't believe your beliefs are right? And if there is no objective right or wrong, in theory, why not just throw out logic and science and toss a dart at a board labeled with various beliefs?confused dunno cool
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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: Jan 19, 2008, 1:33 PM CST
Claayer wrote:
Well I can't speak for EVERY Atheist.. the same as any person that follows a religion or belief cant speak for anyone else.

But for ME.. I need FACTS... hard cold honest facts.. Before I would start to believe in anything... and even then, maybe I wouldn't.



Fact: You need a passport to enter the U.S.

rolling on the floor laughing


Resume normal broadcasting!


(sorry Riya)
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JOESINGLEDAD
Navarre USA
Posted: Jan 19, 2008, 1:38 PM CST
I have always admired you at a distance.You are a very wise and wonderful lady.
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BnaturAl
Sarnia, Ontario Canada
Posted: Jan 19, 2008, 1:38 PM CST
riyablossom wrote:
Thankyou all !!

Respect for anothers faith ( in whatever or whomever ) is rare to gather and quite needed today.

But does an atheist view equate to a belief in science and proofs ?


This athiest doesn't put belief before proof, whether it be science or not. I too think there is more, very much more out there. I'm open to it, BUT is it god , then who made god? If you feel that god is the ultimate; that no one made him, then it is just as possibe that we are that ultimate thing, no one made us in our beginning, that life just happened, just like god just happened... paradoxical arguement no matter how you consider it .. as its possible that some martian is the creator.

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JOESINGLEDAD
Navarre USA
Posted: Jan 19, 2008, 1:38 PM CST
miss RIYA
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Claayer
Wild Wild South West, Cornwall, England UK
Posted: Jan 19, 2008, 1:39 PM CST
Ambrose2007 wrote:
"It doesn't make ANY of us right or wrong."

Since it seems to be "Pick on Claayer Day" (or is it just me?), surely you don't mean that you don't believe your beliefs are right? And if there is no objective right or wrong, in theory, why not just throw out logic and science and toss a dart at a board labeled with various beliefs?


haha


What I mean is.. everyone's OWN view is Right... for 'Them'

If that's what you believe.. (you or me.. or whoever).. then great.. that's right for YOU.

But it doesn't mean it is right for someone else...


and IMO whoever you are.. your view has nothing to DO with anyone else's beliefs. .. it's YOURS.

and it's no one's place to judge you and say that what YOU believe is wrong.


So yes.. I believe MY beliefs are right.. for me.

and everyone else's.. are right too.. for them.

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Ambrose2007
Badger, South Dakota USA
Posted: Jan 19, 2008, 1:39 PM CST
Ambrose2007 wrote:
"It doesn't make ANY of us right or wrong."

Since it seems to be "Pick on Claayer Day" (or is it just me?), surely you don't mean that you don't believe your beliefs are right? And if there is no objective right or wrong, in theory, why not just throw out logic and science and toss a dart at a board labeled with various beliefs?


Sorry. I meant toss a dart at a board...*blindfolded*, of course. Otherwise, that would be cheating.innocent
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Claayer
Wild Wild South West, Cornwall, England UK
Posted: Jan 19, 2008, 1:40 PM CST
Indyfella wrote:
Fact: You need a passport to enter the U.S.



and a temp visa scold


laugh
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Ambrose2007
Badger, South Dakota USA
Posted: Jan 19, 2008, 1:43 PM CST
Claayer wrote:
hahaWhat I mean is.. everyone's OWN view is Right ... for 'Them'

If that's what you believe.. (you or me.. or whoever).. then great.. that's right for YOU.

But it doesn't mean it is right for someone else... and IMO whoever you are.. your view has nothing to DO with anyone else's beliefs. .. it's YOURS.

and it's no one's place to judge you and say that what YOU believe is wrong. So yes.. I believe MY beliefs are right.. for me.

and everyone else's.. are right too.. for them.


But how do you choose to believe in something when, by definition, everything you believe is right for you? In fact, why not toss the dart (blindfolded) if you're going to be right no matter where the dart strikes?

There's no other standard other than the fact that you believe in something? All beliefs are exactly equal in terms of justification, probability, etc.? That if I believe green Venusians are controlling Scrabble games on Earth, that I'm just as right as someone who doesn't?

The paradoxes seem to be multiplying fearfully in that position, Claire. Or is that merely MY truth?confused angel
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Claayer
Wild Wild South West, Cornwall, England UK
Posted: Jan 19, 2008, 1:43 PM CST
An Atheist doesn't necessarily believe in science..

it just kinda means they don't believe in any particular deity.. any gods.
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Claayer
Wild Wild South West, Cornwall, England UK
Posted: Jan 19, 2008, 1:49 PM CST
Ambrose2007 wrote:
But how do you choose to believe in something when, by definition, everything you believe is right for you?


Tisk! Ambrose.. this is waaaayyy too much thinking for a blonde.. laugh

Why do I need to choose? If I have already made up my mind what is right or wrong for me.. then the choice is already made.
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BnaturAl
Sarnia, Ontario Canada
Posted: Jan 19, 2008, 1:49 PM CST
Ambrose2007 wrote:
But how do you choose to believe in something when, by definition, everything you believe is right for you? In fact, why not toss the dart (blindfolded) if you're going to be right no matter where the dart strikes?

There's no other standard other than the fact that you believe in something? All beliefs are exactly equal in terms of justification, probability, etc.? That if I believe green Venusians are controlling Scrabble games on Earth, that I'm just as right as someone who doesn't?

The paradoxes seem to be multiplying fearfully in that position, Claire. Or is that merely MY truth?


thumbs up

as long as you don't throw darts at me .. rolling on the floor laughing
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diogenes
Longview, Texas USA
Posted: Jan 19, 2008, 1:52 PM CST
I believe in God, and/or a singular source energy. In religious expression that seeks to define the nature of God I have found no other that I favor more than the Judeo/Christian concept I have been taught from a young age. Although, there is no particular denomination that I strongly adhere to. I think that the name for God that is given by Moses, and is translated in English as I Am, is very suitible description.


In the book of Genisis it is said that humans were created in the image of God. I believe that this concept, by some convulvous twist of nature has somehow been reversed to where our minds concieve God in our image. I believe that this misunderstanding, is the core of what is often referred to as sin. I believe that God breathed life into dust to form us, but that "breath" as a word or concept is used for lack of a better term, and might limit the truth of how this actually takes place. I believe that as God is a creative force, that we being in the image of God are co-creators with Him in all things that are experienced in the physical world.

I'll sum up before I get to far down the rabbit hole. There are some that believe that nothing that man does makes a difference, and that everything is completely according to the will of God. Others think that the fate of the world is completely in the hands of Humanity.

I agree with both sides of the debate. I love the confounding paradox of the truth. It is the God part of the universe that is the ultimate power, yet God acts through the mind and actions of every human in his creation. When we as humans become aware of the spiritual basis of the mind, we become even more creative in our ability to help ourselves, each other, and God to make life on Earth as it is in Heaven.

The way we see the world affects the way we respond to it. The way we respond to it affects the world itself. God wants us to become more conscious and aware of this fact so that we can asume more responsibility in our role as co-creators with Him. We are given the freedom, and responsibility to create our lives as we choose.

It's a huge Cosmic Burger King, and we can have it our way. What do you choose? Drink that in, and let it mix with everything you already know and believe about prayer, life, will, etc.
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