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Dude there is a huge difference between the 'face' of eugenics, the one portayed to the public and eugenics led behind the scenes. But thanks for webpage. You can also look into Planned Parenting as well, but again these are the forerunners, leaders and the 'faces' of eugenics, not to be confused with how far it's been taken by private enterprise.

My commment about baby factories was a reference to a social responsibility we have not to overpopulate. Any number of people having kids just for the sake of having kids. Over popualtion requires and uses up resources. Those resources will reach an end.

This thread is about many things including e n d g a m e, eugenics, even ego. One little web page becomes insignificant in light of the broader topic. Follow your own advice, do some more research ... just a suggestion I'm sure you would make.

What concerns me .. in a broader sense.. is passivity !!!!

Passivity on people's part to watch or even pass by looking at something wrong or say inappropriate and not think, comment or oppose or even support . Nope i dont say whats wrong for me is wrong for others or viceversa. But an opinion is required.

Eugenics came about for a reason... apparently to improve on the human gene pool .. an idea proposed bt many a elite and intellectuals in different times.

I agree with the basic logic with which the concept came abut.. to make natural selection effective .. rather aid in minimizing diseases , deformities and fragility. This was to be more so based on in breeding, selective breeding and as i have read even orgies for the purpose. But the twisted version with a large amount of manipulation like we have had in many a artificial birth techniques.. test tube babies for instance is what makes it concerning.

That's ok. You just carry on. Think on your more important things. I suppose the work of these guys will cause you no ill effect. You are intelligent. You know how to research.

BnaturAl, I will say it with you...

B I L D E R B U R G

then why post at all?

Ever look at some of the Faces of eugenics?

It's no wonder they want to do some manipulating!

Well thats ego and priveledge for ya. As I've said they want to be first in line and have not only the people(brains) but the tools (money)and infrastructure(politics) to do so.

I like the idea of eugenics, the betterment of mankind and all. I dont care for the behind scenes cloak and dagger shyte that permiates people who are involved in backdoor strategies with it.

On the other hand would I, if I were a person of the same influence consider this is some light of goodness? Well yes, who wouldn't want a society free of desease, a society without pestilance and a chance at immortality? Quite a draw when you think about it. BUT in my defence I think I would like that sort of thing for ALL mankind, not just the chosen who don't want to wait on passive or evolutionary eugenics. However; they say power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely, so could I be corrupted when offered a chance to get in line before my fellow man?
hard one to answer out of context.

right on Riya .. the disturbing part isn't that eugenics is bad. Even the atom is not bad, until man messes with it in evil or loving ways.

test tube babies, cloning, dna splicing, drug therapies, all manner of experimental forrays into knowledge. Its one of mans inherent needs, to discover, but when those needs become an expense to others then the experiement is selfish and bypasses any humane intent.

That's right Al. The experiments should be selfless and of benefit to ALL mankind. To bring harm to any other human is a sefish act, and not one of love.

I always feel the need to be as less interfering with natures laws and mechanisms as possible. They are the way they are for a purpose and logical reason .. though we do not entirely fathom the magnanimity of it all. Like a simple birthing process .. no doubt C-sections are less traumatic and many adv. to it .. but the natural process is in many ways healing on its own post- birthing which is absent or lax when artifically intervened into.

Simiarly, on eugenics to cotrol the diseased gene pool... atleast this one i do confirm to a great extent as good .. like avoiding inbreeding and incest and mapping the partners genes before u plan to have a child.

Apart from that, to enhance the intellectual gene pool and refine the race by " eliminating " by interfering is like taking on moral responsibility to improve the race which has so far been in the hands of nature and our instincts in mating.

You know, i have done a lot of research on this matter, yet certainly not enough to qualify as anythng more than an opinionated arse I'm still looking into it all.

My purpose was to try to come to some conclusion as to the good that some egomaniac see in this. Even if it means things like genocide and trust me I am not a proponent of that.

But my thoughts on this for the side of wanting some speeded up scenario, were I person of power and egotistically assumed importance is this.

Humans are not listening. They are not hearing, that resources are dwindling. They are not stopping the death defying trundle towards greater populations. I know a woman who has had 6 kids in the last seven years and still no father(no that that matters in pop growth, but key risyt!!). Natural attrition through human responsibilty and common sense goes mostly ignored by mankind. What works in its stead (and so unfortuneatly so) is desease and war. Handy tools when you think about it.

Again I don't condone it, I'm just trying to get inside the head of some meglomaniacs who consider themselves the saviors of mankind.

Usually in our pursuit for knowledge we bank on research and study !!

Yes, its vital but who is to say what is moral and ethical and what isnt.

And as has been a trend on human behavior we seldom follow the line which divides safe and acceptable from the venturing to explore which comes with many unseen and manytimes irreversible outcomes.

Eugenics is definitely a boon to the families enduring the pain of chronic ilness and hereditary diseases which take the toll for a lifetime on the entire family.

I have read so much lately so you'll excuse my inability to fill in dates and times. There was however a period in our history where the influencial, kings/queens, lords of governance ect .. (yes powerful people again) actually thought that inbreeding would produce better beings, so they only mated within their families, thinking they could somehow breed out the humans they felt they were above in life. Needless to say it had disastrous affects. Audacity comes to mind.

eugenics and or its beginnings are not in its infancy by any means, even though its only in been termed 'eugenics' in recent history

meglomaniacs





Where are they?


I want to inside their brain too!

but seriously, joking about it, shows some seriousness in the 'natural' selectivity we make ourselves everyday by way of ego. "See how many ugly faces there are " yes its funny, but so telling in our own human way, to make little judgements, seemingly harmless, but a microcosm of the 'whole' ... for which some meglomaniacs feel a responsibilty to take charge.

one clear voice.

True !!! Have heard of this one. The Royalty as they would call themselves .. believing in inbreeding to produce " worthy " offsprings.

But hither to when 2 people are to decide to have an offspring of their own ... the gene map of the offspring is again an outcome of many events happening .. not entirely under human control ( i mean in present day time sof advanced technology to manipulate the genetic recombinations)
So the offspring will not necessarily be the " better " kind .. in layman terms.

The only thing that comes to mind is
"Dohmo mori gotoh Mr roboto"

perhaps they were looking into the future in the song.

I agree there is so many variables. Not just present day causation, but hereditary as well, and even the slightest wind carrying some unknown pathogen can affect the offspring. It doesn't even have to be a pathogen, can be a mere substance of little consequence that only mutates upon meeting a specific cell type.

of course I'm talking doctor shyte of which I know very little, but you get the idea.

awww its true Al !!! A healthy offspring is truely a blessing and to have one, healthy or not is in itself a process so dynamic by nature ... we could never be 100 % sure of the intricacies involved.

AGREED .. I have a relative who has down's syndrome and he is one of my favorite human beings. As intricate and as special as any other! ... I do however wish some people would take more responsibility in producing children without thought beyond "I want one of those" then another and another and another ...

Yes, I agree, Bildelberg & Illumnati are working since a very long time. Keep yourself aware Al it's just too big to be true, but many persons (and few weeks ago a French writer did it also) tempt to reveal the truth about the New Order World and this powerful association of governments from all over the world who are acting hand into hand, for economic reasons for sure, but for a weird other argument, make the mankind decline... Make the people become slave.... Scaring but true (You'll find on youtube, many videos from great men in this world who are already lightening this)