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In what way? I'm not sure I see a difference over our history. There seems to me to be a common thread of those who percieve themselves better than throughout time, doing something barbaric, inhumane. Can you expound on what you mean?

Actually I am not sure where bill gates and his buddy warren buffet stand on these issues. Me thinks there is mystery afoot.

I agree with organics and natural lifestyle, difficult in practice but at least taking steps in that direction. I also think speaking out helps. The more awareness there is, the more the machine moves in the sum of its parts to the desired destination?

Finding state leaders to make apologies and truely want to take things in an appropriate direction... there's an altruistic thought.

I lived through the sixties as you did cups, and now those are the people who runs things... that's distressing. The sixties were all about freedom and now many of our freedoms are being legislated away at the hands of 'terrorism' or its smoke screen puppetry. Very disheartening that is.

Dysgenics-

"Concerns about environmental influences that might damage heredity, leading to ill health, formalized in the early 1700's as degeneracy theory."

"In the 19th century, masturbation then called onanism was presented in medical schools as the first biological theory of the cause of degeneracy."

"I love the fact that we are as diverse a species as we are, I love the fact that we have such a diversity of temperament and such a diversity of intellectual styles and ways of seeing the world and ways of going through the world. And I don't want to start narrowing that range, you know, I think I want to give people a lot of options in terms of treatment and a lot of options about what they do with their lives. I don't want to give people a sense that they have to start narrowing and narrowing and narrowing and it producing a kind of little "vanilla children. It's a kind of a ghastly thought."

Kay Redfeild Jamison (DNA Interactive)

I would be grateful if he culled me NOW, before I have to put myself on a diet......

Anyone else put on 3kg the first month and a half they were on CS?????

Ha Ha funny Breeze, yep, and only slightly less in subsequent months too




I was just thinking, maybe the bad public health care systems in some countries is in itself a form of eugenics seems, if a person can afford private health care and is contributing financially to the country then they can pass 'go' - no matter what is to blame for a person's inability to afford private health care or whos fault it may be that there may be no jobs in their area. I dont know of course and am only thinking aloud so to speak.

I have read things to that effect as well Trish. Have also read about doctors telling patients who have medical issues, (hereditary mental issues, depression and personality disorders) to not have any children. It unfortunate that some people think that they are better than others when its nothing more than luck and circumstance of their gene pool and environment. ..audacious comes to mind.

Of course it wasn't long ago they didn't want us indulging in onanism either..

Well I cant see why, you cant have a baby from onanising - but I guess it can make you go blind

I was just reading a report on European Health Care and the UK comes in at 17 from the top with Austria at the top.

I also have my suspicions about the aids thing too - it wouldnt in the least surprise me if it wasnt purposefully introduced into the environment as some sources suggest.

Someone testing the efficacy of immunue system destruction on third world countries. Now why would you be suspicious about that.

I find it most odd and naive to disbeleive that in todays world with rampant use of steroids by major sports stars, performance enhancing drugs in the olymipics, that there are people in this world for whom power, money and fame is great draw that supercedes the ethics and morals of most.

If people in sports disciplines would fall prey, why not people in higher positions of power?

positive eugenics V negative eugenics.

well, it would fulfill the eugenecists dreams Breeze, especially since the nature of warfare no longer means that thousands get culled each year by tanks

heellloooo people !!!!

Hi Riya

I also have my suspicions about the aids thing too - it wouldnt in the least surprise me if it wasnt purposefully introduced into the environment as some sources suggest.Posted By: trish123

One of the craziest, really deep and very black research projects from a very black,(meaning secretive), Military/ Intelligence covert ops in the US that I've ever heard about was in trying to make a genetic bomb, or some sort of genetic weapon to try to target and wipe out Negroes only. This was back in the 50's. I've sometimes wondered if there are any traces , any paper trails on this line of eugenics research and who thought of it...It's somewhat in the same category of using the moon as a target for atomic missiles until the morons realized that if the moon was actually blown up, it would all come down on us...again, so much for "military intelligence"...this world's greatest oxymoron! %D

From what Ive read on these covert research activities Solitare, when the projects come to a conclusion, most of the evidence gets destroyed - even a lot of the humans involved do too.

Theres probably something highly encrypted in total public view, like on the back of the paper money


Scientists' deaths are under the microscope
By ALANNA MITCHELL, SIMON COOPER AND CAROLYN ABRAHAM
COMPILED BY ALANNA MITCHELL

Saturday, May 4, 2002 – Print Edition, Page A1


Eleven microbiologists mysteriously dead over the span of just five months. Some of them world leaders in developing weapons-grade biological plagues. Others the best in figuring out how to stop millions from dying because of biological weapons.

Suspicious deaths
The sudden and suspicious deaths of 11 of the world's leading microbiologists.

Who they were:

1. Nov. 12, 2001-Benito Que was said to have been beaten in a Miami parking lot and died later.

2. Nov. 16, 2001-Don C. Wiley went missing. Was found Dec. 20. Investigators said he got dizzy on a Memphis bridge and fell to his death in a river.

3. Nov. 21, 2001-Vladimir Pasechnik, former high-level Russian microbiologist who defected in 1989 to the U.K. apparently died from a stroke.

4. Dec. 10, 2001-Robert M. Schwartz was stabbed to death in Leesberg, Va. Three Satanists have been arrested.

5. Dec. 14, 2001-Nguyen Van Set died in an airlock filled with nitrogen in his lab in Geelong, Australia.

6. Feb. 9, 2002-Victor Korshunov had his head bashed in near his home in Moscow.

7. Feb. 14, 2002-Ian Langford was found partially naked and wedged under a chair in Norwich, England.

8. 9. Feb. 28, 2002-San Francisco resident Tanya Holzmayer was killed by a microbiologist colleague, Guyang Huang, who shot her as she took delivery of a pizza and then apparently shot himself.

10. March 24, 2002-David Wynn-Williams died in a road accident near his home in Cambridge, England.

11. March 25, 2002-Steven Mostow of the Colorado Health Sciences Centre, killed in a plane he was flying near Denver

Three can keep a secret, if two are dead.